Who is the "mighty angel" of Revelation 10:1?

[Nehemiah6]

That's what I thought may be in John's mind.

The Bible is very precise with reference to Christ. Before His incarnation as Jesus of Nazareth, Christ appeared to men as "the Angel of the LORD". But ever since His resurrection He is now "the Lord Jesus Christ", the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, the Lord God Almighty (see Rev 1).

There is no reverting back to presenting Christ as an angel. Some of the cults would have us believe that Michael the archangel is actually Jesus, but that is simply nonsense. Michael no doubt is seriously annoyed with these people.

 

[cv5]

The Bible is very precise with reference to Christ. Before His incarnation as Jesus of Nazareth, Christ appeared to men as "the Angel of the LORD". But ever since His resurrection He is now "the Lord Jesus Christ", the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, the Lord God Almighty (see Rev 1).

There is no reverting back to presenting Christ as an angel. Some of the cults would have us believe that Michael the archangel is actually Jesus, but that is simply nonsense. Michael no doubt is seriously annoyed with these people.

What is your opinion of the identity of the individual seen in Rev 14:14 vis a vis the cry of verse 15?

 

[Mem]

Have you noticed the peculiarity of the final verse in Revelation Chapter 10? It seems reminiscent of the account of Abraham's visit, i.e. Abraham makes His addresses to the Lord but "they" answer him?

Rev 10:11 And they told me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.”

 

[soberxp]

Who knows? Why asked us if we really don't know about it anything in heaven.

 

[Nehemiah6]

What is your opinion of the identity of the individual seen in Rev 14:14 vis a vis the cry of verse 15?

And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of Man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. (Rev 14:14)

Jesus constantly referred to Himself as "the Son of Man". This was no accident, since one "like unto the Son of Man" came to the Ancient of Days (God the Father) and He was given dominion over all nations, and an eternal Kingdom (Daniel 7). Jesus also used the term "Son of Man" at a very critical time: But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

So the Son of God is also the Son of Man. Therefore it is more than likely that Rev 14:14 is actually a reference to Christ, particularly since He wears a crown. Commentators such as John Gill and Matthew Henry concur and Henry speaks of "the Lord of the Harvest". Verse 15 refers to another angel than the one in verse 6.

 

[jb]

Looks like Jesus in Revelation 1, Ezekiel 1, etc.

Problem is, Hebrews will not allow Jesus to be called an angel, that is heresy.

Also, everything (including angels) was created through Jesus and for Jesus.

A curious angel.

In the OT, the Lord Jesus (the Second Person of the Godhead) is often referred to as The Angel of the Lord...Heb. "Yahweh Mal'ak", "Yahweh Messenger." Exodus 3v2,4.

The Lord Jesus is not only "sent" by the Father under the New Covenant, but also "sent" by Him under the Old Covenant as well! John 3v17, 5v23.

Did a blog on this, you can find it Here

 

[cv5]

Christ is never called an angel or a mighty angel in the New Testament. Instead we read that God says to all the angels "Let all the angels of God worship Him", since all the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Christ bodily.

OK, I did discover a very telling Greek phrase that tips the scales (once and for all?) to "created angel".

Rev 10:1
And I saw another G243 mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

G243 - allos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)

allos - another of the SAME kind (generally)

Since Christ Jesus is impeccably ineffably unique, I cannot fathom the use of allos in this context to describe anything more than a created angelic being (in contrast with heteros I suppose).

Rev 7:2
And I saw another G243 angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Rev 8:3
And another G243 angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Any other opinions?

 

[studentoftheword]

My 2 cents worth is -------

This angel has appeared twice before -----In Rev 7:2 this angel appears as a Prophet -----

This is the context of Rev 7 Below ----so we see that God is about to seal the 144;000 and this Angel has the seal of the living God -----and gives a command to the 4 angels that have the power to harm the sea and land by Winds ------

Context
144,000 Sealed
1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back its four winds so that no wind would blow on land or sea or on any tree. 2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, with the seal of the living God. And he called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3“Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have sealed the foreheads of the servants of our God.”…


and then in Rev 8:4 as a Priest ----

Revelation 8:4
4The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.

This angel symbolizes the presents of God ------and God is symbolized as a cloud in scripture ------


Exodus 16:10

New International Version
10 While Aaron was speaking to the whole Israelite community, they looked toward the desert, and there was the glory of the Lord appearing in the cloud.


Exodus 19:9
Easy-to-Read Version
9 Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will come to you in the thick cloud. I will speak to you. All the people will hear me talking to you. I will do this so that they will always believe what you tell them.”


Exodus 24:15
Easy-to-Read Version
Moses Meets With God
15 Then Moses went up the mountain, and the cloud covered the mountain.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 24&version=ERV

Exodus 34:5
Easy-to-Read Version
5 Then the Lord came down to him in a cloud, stood there with Moses, and spoke his own name.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 34&version=ERV

 

[cv5]

My 2 cents worth is -------

This angel has appeared twice before -----In Rev 7:2 this angel appears as a Prophet -----

This is the context of Rev 7 Below ----so we see that God is about to seal the 144;000 and this Angel has the seal of the living God -----and gives a command to the 4 angels that have the power to harm the sea and land by Winds ------

Context
144,000 Sealed
1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back its four winds so that no wind would blow on land or sea or on any tree. 2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, with the seal of the living God. And he called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3“Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have sealed the foreheads of the servants of our God.”…


and then in Rev 8:4 as a Priest ----

Revelation 8:4
4The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.

This angel symbolizes the presents of God ------and God is symbolized as a cloud in scripture ------


Exodus 16:10

New International Version
10 While Aaron was speaking to the whole Israelite community, they looked toward the desert, and there was the glory of the Lord appearing in the cloud.


Exodus 19:9
Easy-to-Read Version
9 Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will come to you in the thick cloud. I will speak to you. All the people will hear me talking to you. I will do this so that they will always believe what you tell them.”


Exodus 24:15
Easy-to-Read Version
Moses Meets With God
15 Then Moses went up the mountain, and the cloud covered the mountain.

Exodus 34:5
Easy-to-Read Version
5 Then the Lord came down to him in a cloud, stood there with Moses, and spoke his own name.

Indeed. Commentators have deduced a "prophet - priest - king" aspect to these three chapters speaking to these angels. Very interesting.

However, in describing this angel (in context) the term "allos" is used again. Does this indicate another angel of the "same kind" as the four of verse one? Tough call.

Evidently there are top-notch commentators who go both ways on the question of the correct identities.
So we are in good company....

Rev 7:2
And I saw another G243 angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

 

[cv5]

I have to say, Chuck Missler really packs it all in with his commentaries. Does a GREAT job with Revelation 9 & 10.
And every other chapter as well.

Huge huge OT content and pertinent cross-links. A great listen for any believer.

Revelation - [1990s] by Chuck Missler (blueletterbible.org)

 

[bluto]

"For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself," Hebrews 6:13. It seems that God can swear by himself. I tend to think of this Rev 10 messenger as a picture of Christ.

This verse here that you quoted is the crowning jewel that proves that the preincarnate Jesus Christ is not an actual angel but God Almighty. The writer of Hebrews is referring back to Genesis 22. Look at Genesis 22:11, "But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, Here I am." Vs12, "And he said, Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him, for know I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld , your only son from me." (As a side not Abraham had other sons but Isaac was the son of promise).

Vs15, "Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, vs16, and said, By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld you son, your only son, vs17, indeed I will greatly bless you and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies."

So, when someone insists that the angel of the Lord is an actual angel simply refer them to Hebrews 6:13-17. Now, there is another argument the Jews use to discount the role of Jesus in Genesis 22. They say Jesus or this angel if you will is simply a "shaliah." In other words, one person is the "agent" and he agrees to do something for another party, known as the "principal," in this case (that is at Genesis 22) God is the principal and Jesus represents Him.

The problem with this scenario we have before us is the fact that the agent (according to the Jewish Library) has limitations to his duties. Again, in this case the agent can not swear an oath on behalf of the principal. That's what we have here as clear as day as stated at Hebrews 6:13-17. Nehemiah6 is correct by quoting Revelation 10:6. Notice here even the angel swears the oath on the basis of the living God.

If you happen to witness a murder and you are called on to testify what you say, you cannot send your Uncle Harry to testify for you. Furthermore, let's say you cannot appear in court for some reason, the court will send someone to you and they will "depose" you as a witness. Hope this helps.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Blessedboy]

And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of Man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. (Rev 14:14)

Jesus constantly referred to Himself as "the Son of Man". This was no accident, since one "like unto the Son of Man" came to the Ancient of Days (God the Father) and He was given dominion over all nations, and an eternal Kingdom (Daniel 7). Jesus also used the term "Son of Man" at a very critical time: But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

So the Son of God is also the Son of Man. Therefore it is more than likely that Rev 14:14 is actually a reference to Christ, particularly since He wears a crown. Commentators such as John Gill and Matthew Henry concur and Henry speaks of "the Lord of the Harvest". Verse 15 refers to another angel than the one in verse 6.

The Son of God is The Son of Man who is our God, of who Jesus says in Matthew 25; 31; When the Son of Man comes as King with all his angels he will divide the righteous sheep from the wicked goats, the sheep will receive everlasting life, but to the goats HE will say, verse 41; ‘’Away from me, you that are under God’s curse, away to the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels, etc’’

This is HE, who is spoken of in Revelation 21, 5-8; Then the one who sits of the throne (The Son of Man who comes as King) said, “And now I make all things new!” He also said to me, “Write this, because these words are true and can be trusted.” And he said, “It is done! I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end. To anyone who is thirsty I will give the right to drink from the spring of the water of life without paying for it. Those who win the victory will receive this from me: I will be their God, and they will be my children. But cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practise magic, those who worship idols, and all liars — the place for them is the lake burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

 

[aa31000]

Even though this verse gives the impression that this might be Christ Himself, verse 6 discounts that notion: And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

There is only one who lives for ever and ever and who created the universe and that is Christ, the eternal Creator. And since the angel is swearing by Him, this angel cannot be Christ. However he is a "mighty angel".

Actually at Proverbs 8==The one beside God called his master worker( the one beside God whom all other things were created through, by Gods power) is the being sent by God to earth. He gives all credit to ( God)YHWH for the creation. Because only YHWH has the power. It was God who did all the powerful works through Jesus while he was on earth-Acts 2:22, 1Cor 8:5-6--because God is the power.
Jesus said-last line Lords prayer--the kingdom, POWER and glory are all the Fathers.

 

[Blessedboy]

The Son of God is The Son of Man who is our God, of who Jesus says in Matthew 25; 31; When the Son of Man comes as King with all his angels he will divide the righteous sheep from the wicked goats, the sheep will receive everlasting life, but to the goats HE will say, verse 41; ‘’Away from me, you that are under God’s curse, away to the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels, etc’’

This is HE, who is spoken of in Revelation 21, 5-8; Then the one who sits on the throne (The Son of Man who comes as King) said, “And now I make all things new!” He also said to me, “Write this, because these words are true and can be trusted.” And he said, “It is done! I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end. To anyone who is thirsty I will give the right to drink from the spring of the water of life without paying for it. Those who win the victory will receive this from me: I will be their God, and they will be my children. But cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practise magic, those who worship idols, and all liars — the place for them is the lake burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

So, who is this king? Chapter 21 speaks of the time immediately after the last enemy has been defeated, Revelation 20, 13-14; Then the sea gave up its dead. Death and the world of the dead also gave up the dead they held. And all were judged according to what they had done. 14Then death and the world of the dead were thrown into the lake of fire. (This lake of fire is the second death.)

And what do the scriptures say most happen after ''DEATH'' the last enemy is defeated?

1 CORINTHIANS 15. 24-28; Then the end will come; Christ will overcome all spiritual rulers, authorities, and powers, and will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father. For Christ must rule until God defeats all enemies and puts them under his feet. The last enemy to be defeated will be death. For the scripture says, “God put all things under his feet.” It is clear, of course, that the words “all things” do not include God himself, who puts all things under Christ. But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.

So then, let me repeat the question, who is it, who in chapter 21 sits on the throne and rules over all and who divides the righteous from the wicked?

 

[bluto]

Actually at Proverbs 8==The one beside God called his master worker( the one beside God whom all other things were created through, by Gods power) is the being sent by God to earth. He gives all credit to ( God)YHWH for the creation. Because only YHWH has the power. It was God who did all the powerful works through Jesus while he was on earth-Acts 2:22, 1Cor 8:5-6--because God is the power.
Jesus said-last line Lords prayer--the kingdom, POWER and glory are all the Fathers.

Excuse me but I have a couple of questions for you? Isaiah 44:24 states, "Thus says the Lord your Redeemer, and the one who formed you in the womb. I, the Lord, am the maker of ALL THINGS, Stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF, And spreading out the earth ALL ALONE."

Since this is true, how do you reconcile this with Colossians 1:16, "For by Him/Jeus Christ (who you say is a created being like the rest of us) ALL THINGS were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities --ALL THINGS have been created for Him and by Him."

So why does God need a helper or as you said a "master worker" since He states He created all things By Himself and all alone? Not only that but what are these some of these "other" things your talking about where in the NWT the word "other" was added? Please name them so I know what God might have forgotten at Isaiah 44:24? Btw, next I will be happy to address Proverbs 8:22 and Revelation 3:14 for good measure.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[aa31000]

Excuse me but I have a couple of questions for you? Isaiah 44:24 states, "Thus says the Lord your Redeemer, and the one who formed you in the womb. I, the Lord, am the maker of ALL THINGS, Stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF, And spreading out the earth ALL ALONE."

Since this is true, how do you reconcile this with Colossians 1:16, "For by Him/Jeus Christ (who you say is a created being like the rest of us) ALL THINGS were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities --ALL THINGS have been created for Him and by Him."

So why does God need a helper or as you said a "master worker" since He states He created all things By Himself and all alone? Not only that but what are these some of these "other" things your talking about where in the NWT the word "other" was added? Please name them so I know what God might have forgotten at Isaiah 44:24? Btw, next I will be happy to address Proverbs 8:22 and Revelation 3:14 for good measure.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Yes all things created for him by the only true God-YHWH(Jehovah)-- He alone has the power that is what was meant by alone. He created his master worker-direct-first and last then created all other things through his master worker.

 

[Blessedboy]

Actually at Proverbs 8==The one beside God called his master worker( the one beside God whom all other things were created through, by Gods power) is the being sent by God to earth. He gives all credit to ( God)YHWH for the creation. Because only YHWH has the power. It was God who did all the powerful works through Jesus while he was on earth-Acts 2:22, 1Cor 8:5-6--because God is the power.
Jesus said-last line Lords prayer--the kingdom, POWER and glory are all the Fathers.

Proverbs 8 refers to wisdom who is portrayed in female terms. Verse 2; On the hilltops near the road and at the crossroads 'SHE' stands.

She was the first of all creation
With her, God made the world
He named the woman "wisdom,"
And in her arms I now am furled.

She sings her songs of mystery
With words that tease the mind,
Suggestive of some ecstasy
Erotic, yet divine.

She fiddles on my heart strings
And with her magic bow,
Sweet tunes contrived in heaven
From my heart and mind now flow.

The loquacious liquid from her lips,
Expands my feeble mind,
With each and every precious kiss
I reel as if from wine

And babble incoherent words
Unable to express,
The wonders I envision
When our lips are tightly pressed..... By Blessedboy

 

[Blessedboy]

WHO IS THE ''MIGHTY ANGEL''

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and elevated to angelic status. Other sources (mainly from the midrashic period) describe him as the "twin brother" of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch was similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.

Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron’s twin, is in fact Elijah’s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.

Metatron is also mentioned in the Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the Hebrew Book of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "The lesser YHVH" (The Son of The MOST-HIGH) resurfaces. It is also said that Metatron. The anointed one=CHRIST, was the angel who guided Israel through the wilderness. The Hebrew ‘JHVH’ translated to English, as seen in Exodus 3: 14; means, ‘I Am.’

The Book of Enoch the prophet 108: 11-13; “And now I will summons the spirits of the good, who belong to the generation of the light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honor as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved my ‘Holy Name,’ and I will seat each one on the throne of his honor, and they shall be resplendent for times without number.”

The Zohar is a foundation work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought, known as Kabbalah. It is a group of books including commentary on the mystical aspects of the Torah and scriptural interpretations as well as material on mysticism and the Zohar describes Metatron as the ‘’KING OF ANGELS’’ This corresponds closely with Maimonide’s description of the Talmudic ‘’PRINCE OF THE WORLD’’ traditionally associated with Metatron as the core ‘’Active intellect.’’

Gershom Scholem suggests that the name (The Lesser YHWH) was deliberately omitted from later copies of the Talmud. Although Extra-talmudic mystical texts such as Sefer Hekhalot do speak of a "lesser YHWH", apparently deriving the concept from Exodus 23:21, which mentions an angel of whom God says "my name [understood as YHVH,] is in him".

Exodus 23: 20-21; “Behold, I send an angel before you, to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place which I have prepared. Give heed to him and hearken to his voice, do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression; for my name (I AM) is in him.

Yevamot 16b records an utterance, "I have been young; also I have been old" found in Psalm 37:25. The Talmud here attributes this utterance to the Chief Angel and Prince of the World, whom the rabbinic tradition identifies as Metatron.

 

[aa31000]

Proverbs 8 refers to wisdom who is portrayed in female terms. Verse 2; On the hilltops near the road and at the crossroads 'SHE' stands.

She was the first of all creation
With her, God made the world
He named the woman "wisdom,"
And in her arms I now am furled.

She sings her songs of mystery
With words that tease the mind,
Suggestive of some ecstasy
Erotic, yet divine.

She fiddles on my heart strings
And with her magic bow,
Sweet tunes contrived in heaven
From my heart and mind now flow.

The loquacious liquid from her lips,
Expands my feeble mind,
With each and every precious kiss
I reel as if from wine

And babble incoherent words
Unable to express,
The wonders I envision
When our lips are tightly pressed..... By Blessedboy

prov 8:30= Gods master worker=Jesus became wisdom 1Cor 1:30-- prov 8:34--he tells all to keep listening to him--God commanded all to Listen to Jesus--there is 0 doubt Gods master worker is the being sent named Jesus as a mortal.

 

[bluto]

Yes all things created for him by the only true God-YHWH(Jehovah)-- He alone has the power that is what was meant by alone. He created his master worker-direct-first and last then created all other things through his master worker.

I'm sorry aa31000, you still have to come to grips with Isaiah 44:24 where YHWH created "ALL" things by Himself and all Alone. The definition of alone is, "Having no one else present." I'm presenting you with basic logic because God is logical. You need to start thinking for yourself and reading your Bible by yourself (Not the NWT because they add words and take away words that are not in the original writings.) What you doing is following men and not God.

I gave you a perfect example in the NWT of Colossians 1:16 where they added the word "other." This was added to diminish Jesus to a second hand helper and to deny His deity. As I said, God does not need a created being to help him. You said, "He alone has the power that is what was meant by alone."

No, God has always had power. Psalm 147:5, "Great is our Lord, and abundant in power. How about Jeremiah 32:17, "Ah, Lord God! it is you who have made the heavens and the earth BY YOUR GREAT POWER and by your outstretched arm! Nothing is too hard for you." You have to face the facts and if you don't believe me, check me out of what I'm saying according to Acts 17:11, "Now these were more noble that those in Thessalonica for they received the word with great eagerness, EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, (WHY?) TO SEE WHETHER THESE THINGS WERE SO." In other words, the people checked out the Apostle Paul by the Scriptures to see if he was telling the truth.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto