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HeIsHere said:
Where?
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I was making an inference and not an accusation.

Let me try this again:

GaryA said:
Do you not believe that 'God does not lie' and that what He says will happen will happen exactly as He says it will???
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Is it not true that for a prophecy to "properly" be considered as 'fulfilled', it must past the test of having matched in every detail (as given) to an actual occurance in history?

Or, in a case where we cannot possibly know every detail in history - that it at least fits what we do know to the greatest possible degree of accuracy?

If there is any 'blatent' mismatch at all - does it not render it invalid as being a fulfillment of prophecy?
 
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GaryA said:
I was making an inference and not an accusation.

Let me try this again:



Is it not true that for a prophecy to "properly" be considered as 'fulfilled', it must past the test of having matched in every detail (as given) to an actual occurance in history?

Or, in a case where we cannot possibly know every detail in history - that it at least fits what we do know to the greatest possible degree of accuracy?

If there is any 'blatent' mismatch at all - does it not render it invalid as being a fulfillment of prophecy?
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Yes agree, there needs to some logic and match to the events recorded by the various historians of the time period.

Unfortunately, though history is not an exact science.

As well, the book of Revelation is filled with symbolism.
 
iamsoandso said:
In Revelation 13 though there is an head that is slain unto death that in Rev. 13:6 blasphemes his name, his tabernacle and those who dwell in heaven,,,does it say it's the real Israel when it's really not and the tabernacle? In Revelation 13:14 does it not deceive those dwelling on the earth by telling them that they should make an image of the beast that was slain?
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Consider the possibility that everything mentioned in Revelation 13:6 is in heaven:

Revelation 13:

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Revelation 15:

5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Revelation 21:

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

As for Revelation 13:14 - it is referring [directly] to the second beast and not the first beast. How exactly are you trying to relate it to Israel?
 
HeIsHere said:
It in not about being literal, the book employs symbols. It is the meaning of the symbols that need to be understood.
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Well, sure - but, not everything in Revelation is symbolic. :geek:

The meaning of what is literal needs to be [properly] understood as well... ;)
 
GaryA said:
Well, sure - but, not everything in Revelation is symbolic. :geek:

The meaning of what is literal needs to be [properly] understood as well... ;)
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Yes, but first one must decide if it is a book of geopolitical headlines and news events,

or is it, in fact what it claims to be, the Revelation of Christ Jesus and letters to churches that were in existence at that time.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Thank you for the advice but "this generation" is pretty straightforward no interpretation required.
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Interpretation is always required. Whether it is simple-and-easy or not is another issue.

In any case, those two words do not cover all prophecy concerning the End Times Scenario.
 
pablocito said:
When you think of God, do not for one moment think physical. Physical has nothing to do with God. That is why no man has ever seen or known God except he who came out of the bosom of God, and that is Jesus Christ.

John said this about Jesus.
1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Based on your statements above, you do not seem to know God. (Maybe you know him by the stories told you by others about him; but you do not seem to have had a personal direct relationship with him through his word. This type of knowledge or understanding is revelatory, which really is spiritual in nature.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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You really jumped to a quick conclusion .. My post was a reply to some one. . Really? All i said about God , was the Scriptures are God's Word. Do you personally object to the term God's Word . Your posts jumped out of the blue... just for the record although i can not explain it i believe in the Trinity,.
 
HeIsHere said:
Yes, but first one must decide if it is a book of geopolitical headlines and news events,

or is it, in fact what it claims to be, the Revelation of Christ Jesus and letters to churches that were in existence at that time.
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Are you suggesting that the 'Revelation of Christ Jesus' is not capable of "speaking to" anything that could possibly occur beyond the current 'generation'?
 
GaryA said:
I was making an inference and not an accusation.

Let me try this again:



Is it not true that for a prophecy to "properly" be considered as 'fulfilled', it must past the test of having matched in every detail (as given) to an actual occurance in history?

Or, in a case where we cannot possibly know every detail in history - that it at least fits what we do know to the greatest possible degree of accuracy?

If there is any 'blatent' mismatch at all - does it not render it invalid as being a fulfillment of prophecy?
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We know that todays Israel is not the whole of the land so youi must believe they really dont have the Land of Promise. correct?
 
HeIsHere said:
Yes, but first one must decide if it is a book of geopolitical headlines and news events,

or is it, in fact what it claims to be, the Revelation of Christ Jesus and letters to churches that were in existence at that time.
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Was all of the prophecy of Daniel only pertinent to the events during his lifetime? Or, did it reach well into the future?
 
GaryA said:
Was all of the prophecy of Daniel only pertinent to the events during his lifetime? Or, did it reach well into the future?
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Can we stay on topic. :D:p The Olivet Discourse and the Book of Revelation.

I get confused easily.
 
HeIsHere said:
Are the churches in the future?
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I was saying that the prophecies in Daniel were future because they were speaking of Christ. The book of Revelation was largely fulfilled in the 1st century as well because it too was speaking of Jesus.
 
Beckie said:
We know that todays Israel is not the whole of the land so youi must believe they really dont have the Land of Promise. correct?
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The promise is real - but it was not made to the current nation of Israel - which was founded on-and-by illicit means by people who were not real Israelites. It is not 'true Israel' from a biblical point of view. It is a nation, yes. It is 'valid' in modern-day world terms. However, it is not "the real thing" from a biblical prophecy perspective. It is a 'false' Israel.

After He returns, Jesus [Himself] will "raise up" the 'true Israel' (as a nation) and give them the land according to the promise - during the Millenium - but, not before.
 
Cameron143 said:
It was future because it was about Jesus. He hadn't come yet.
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HeIsHere said:
Can we stay on topic. :D:p The Olivet Discourse and the Book of Revelation.

I get confused easily.
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We are on topic. The same consideration that OT prophecy may apply to [far-future] 1st century events is also valid for 1st century prophecy concerning [far-future] events in our time. It is bad reasoning to say that it is true for Daniel but not for Jesus.
 
GaryA said:
We are on topic. The same consideration that OT prophecy may apply to [far-future] 1st century events is also valid for 1st century prophecy concerning [far-future] events in our time. It is bad reasoning to say that it is true for Daniel but not for Jesus.
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It was in the future for Jesus.
 
GaryA said:
The promise is real - but it was not made to the current nation of Israel - which was founded on-and-by illicit means by people who were not real Israelites. It is not 'true Israel' from a biblical point of view. It is a nation, yes. It is 'valid' in modern-day world terms. However, it is not "the real thing" from a biblical prophecy perspective. It is a 'false' Israel.

After He returns, Jesus [Himself] will "raise up" the 'true Israel' (as a nation) and give them the land according to the promise - during the Millenium - but, not before.
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Israel served its purpose.
 
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