Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.

[Beckie]

I agree. I you consider the number of prophecies in the bible about a physical return or the Jews to Israel and then combine this with the unique nature historically speaking of a nation returning after 2,000 years in exile then the return of Israel is hugely significant. A sign from God. God Bless You

Should the same type of understanding be applied to the quotes of Jesus?

 

[cv5]

Some "parts of" and "things in" Revelation are to be understood as literal - other parts of it are not.

Absolutely correct and oh sooooo obvious.....

 

[cv5]

It in not about being literal, the book employs symbols. It is the meaning of the symbols that need to be understood.

The clueless preterists jumped the shark by saying all biblical prophecy has already been fulfilled in 70AD.
Consequently, they erect a fantasy world of their own vain imagination, in place of obvious reality.
In this fantasy land, something means anything and all of it could be anything else on a whim.

Thank God for the premillennial pre-trib futurists, who RIGHTLY PARSE what aspects of prophecy has in fact been fulfilled (which are many).......and that which is clearly, obviously, irreducibly FUTURE and not yet fulfilled.

Including most pertinently the redemption of the Nation Israel.

 

[cv5]

The prophesy about "the great and terrible day of the LORD" refers to the judgment on Israel in 70AD, and it is mentioned twice in the OT.

Speaking to the "children of Zion" Joel 2:23 -
"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come." (Joel 2:31)

Peter said that was what was happening at Pentecost before that day in Acts chapter 2.

The message to Israel, "The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi." (Mal 1:1)
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of the LORD come." (Mal 4:5)

Jesus applied this reference to Elijah to John the Baptist in Matt. 11:14

What in the context of these passages would lead one to believe it speaks of an event still in our future, 2500 years later?

I or anybody else could very easily produce 30-40-50 pages of irrefutable, irreducible Scriptures that quash that preterist view.

Frankly, I blame biblical illiteracy for preterism. In combination with a woeful lack of common sense situational awareness of present day ongoing events.

The prescribed, prophesied necessary ingredients for the FUTURE end-times are UNDOUBTEDLY manifesting themselves.
Israel having been made a nation and thrust on the world stage for all to see is a GIGANTIC red flag for those with eyes to see.
But then again....Israel ITSELF is a sign according to the Bible.

 

[HeIsHere]

It will be tomorrow before I will be able to post(things I have to do),,,

Until then though in Revelation 13:15 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13-15.htm there are two distinct groups of people..

One group worships the image and so is both deceived and spiritually dead.
The second group does not worship the image and seemingly is not deceived nor spiritually dead...

Now if the ones who do not worship the image are not spiritually dead then are they literally killed?

I see no mention of them being spiritually dead.

Yes they were physically killed.

You read the Book of Revelation as a book concerning the future persecution of Christians, it isn't.

It is the revealing of Christ Jesus to those who rejected Him.

 

[HeIsHere]

The clueless preterists jumped the shark by saying all biblical prophecy has already been fulfilled in 70AD.
Consequently, they erect a fantasy world of their own vain imagination, in place of obvious reality.
In this fantasy land, something means anything and all of it could be anything else on a whim.

Thank God for the premillennial pre-trib futurists, who RIGHTLY PARSE what aspects of prophecy has in fact been fulfilled (which are many).......and that which is clearly, obviously, irreducibly FUTURE and not yet fulfilled.

Including most pertinently the redemption of the Nation Israel.

Redemption is in Jesus not in the physical land.

Jesus taught that the covenantal status of Israel and her “kingdom” would be “taken” from her and be “given” to another “nation” “bearing the fruits thereof”
Matthew 21

 

[pablocito]

The only reason I use the terms "preterist" or "amillenialist" is for the sake of expediency, in order to quickly confirm or deny whether someone believes in the end time FUTURE promised redemption of the nation Israel.......or not.

Frankly, I do not like these buzzwords either.

The word expediency cannot be used randomly or carelessly.
Jesus said it was expedient that he leave else the Holy Spirit would not come.

We should not be seeking out people who believe this or believe that as it is not God's will that we do so. In fact the bible says to let the wheat and the tares grow together.

God knows the truth from the condition of the heart and we cannot see the heart and even if a person is presently displaying signs of ungodliness, we do not know that their names are not written in the book of life because God could pull them in at some future time.

 

[cv5]

We should not be seeking out people who believe this or believe that as it is not God's will that we do so. In fact the bible says to let the wheat and the tares grow together.

God knows the truth from the condition of the heart and we cannot see the heart and even if a person is presently displaying signs of ungodliness, we do not know that their names are not written in the book of life because God could pull them in at some future time.

That being said, why in the world do we strive to preach accurate doctrine? Furthermore, we are "seeking out people" that have not yet believed....not those who already do. Also contrarily, we preach to those people seeking out US in the sense that we represent God and His truth.

Act 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 5:28
Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
Act 13:12
Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.
Act 17:19
And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
Rom 6:17
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
1Ti 1:3
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
1Ti 1:10
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 4:6
If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
1Ti 4:13
Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Ti 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
1Ti 5:17
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
1Ti 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
1Ti 6:3
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

 

[Fillan]

Should the same type of understanding be applied to the quotes of Jesus?

Hello Beckie. Thank you for your reply, it's good to meet you. Can I ask that you rephrase your question, I have not yet understood it. God Bless You

 

[cv5]

Redemption is in Jesus not in the physical land.

Jesus taught that the covenantal status of Israel and her “kingdom” would be “taken” from her and be “given” to another “nation” “bearing the fruits thereof”
Matthew 21

What you fail to comprehend (beyond your misapprehensions about the Church and Church age, and its terminus), is that the Bible explicitly states that the Second Coming is inextricably linked to the redemption of the Nation Israel. So intrinsic is this conjointment, that Israel as a nation MUST FIRST repent of their sin (of their rejection of their Messiah King Jesus) BEFORE the Second Coming ever occurs!

WOW. The Bible says that? YES. I have already posted MORE than enough passages to support this reality. More than enough.

What you cannot fathom is that God's plans are not frozen and "stuck in gear" so to speak. Prophetically, the machine is still humming along. Many things have happened, and many things have YET TO HAPPEN!

Yes, Israel was put in the back burner. TEMPORARILY. They will inevitably be reconstituted and God will redeem them for His sake and to His glory. After that the millennial age in all of its peace and fulfilled prophecy and promise.

There is literally 2/3rds of the Bible that says exactly this. Who are you to deny it?

It is going to happen no matter who denies it. Believe it.

 

[pablocito]

That being said, why in the world do we strive to preach accurate doctrine? Furthermore, we are "seeking out people" that have not yet believed....not those who already do. Also contrarily, we preach to those people seeking out US in the sense that we represent God and His truth.

Act 2:42
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 5:28
Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
Act 13:12
Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.
Act 17:19
And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
Rom 6:17
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
1Ti 1:3
As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
1Ti 1:10
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 4:6
If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
1Ti 4:13
Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Ti 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
1Ti 5:17
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
1Ti 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
1Ti 6:3
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I can tell you that you are on the wrong forum if you believe that God has ordained or called or sent you to preach the gospel. If that really is so you are wasting your time here on this site and should be on the streets and highways and byways. And if you are right about being 'sent' by God, then you will be severely punished for being disobedient and not going out as Paul did and as Jonah did.

If your conscience told you that God has sent you out into the world to save the unsaved and the ungodly then you should go out into the world starting from tomorrow to fulfill your obligation to God.

Your own conscience should be your guide.

 

[Beckie]

I agree. I you consider the number of prophecies in the bible about a physical return or the Jews to Israel and then combine this with the unique nature historically speaking of a nation returning after 2,000 years in exile then the return of Israel is hugely significant. A sign from God. God Bless You

There are a number of prophecies about Jesus
Jesus is unique
Jesus will return
Jesus most definitely a sign from God.
All the Scriptures are God's Word. I kinda think there is a reason for the quotes of Jesus.

 

[GaryA]

Therefore the futurists win by default.

Your sense of rational deduction is severely lacking...

 

[cv5]

Your sense of rational deduction is severely lacking...

Bro.....you have yet to convince me of much of anything. Therefore my statement stands.

 

[GaryA]

The Israel of today is indeed secular. But it is a real Nation nevertheless.

Never said it wasn't a nation - only, that it is not "biblical Israel"...

 

[GaryA]

Bro.....you have yet to convince me of much of anything. Therefore my statement stands.

Yes - it stands in error...

 

[cv5]

Yes - it stands in error...

You have yet to convince me of that either.

 

[GaryA]

I just cannot understand how people can just deny the words of Christ Jesus.

Just be careful not to let it drift over into:

"I just cannot understand how people can just deny the words of Christ Jesus as I interpret them according to what I believe."

 

[pablocito]

There are a number of prophecies about Jesus
Jesus is unique
Jesus will return
Jesus most definitely a sign from God.
All the Scriptures are God's Word. I kinda think there is a reason for the quotes of Jesus.

When you think of God, do not for one moment think physical. Physical has nothing to do with God. That is why no man has ever seen or known God except he who came out of the bosom of God, and that is Jesus Christ.

John said this about Jesus.
1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Based on your statements above, you do not seem to know God. (Maybe you know him by the stories told you by others about him; but you do not seem to have had a personal direct relationship with him through his word. This type of knowledge or understanding is revelatory, which really is spiritual in nature.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[HeIsHere]

Just be careful not to let it drift over into:

"I just cannot understand how people can just deny the words of Christ Jesus as I interpret them according to what I believe."

Thank you for the advice but "this generation" is pretty straightforward no interpretation required.