Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.
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In post #11 you said:
I know a lor of people believe that the 1948 establishment of the nation state of Israel was fulfillment of the prophecy in Dueteronomy but if you read the full passage about the restoration of Israel, they first have to return to God and repent which has not happened. That nation is a heathen nation like all nations; Babylon.
It is happening… the restoration of Israel.. just like Gentiles, Jews are coming to believe in Jesus Christ as Messiah… it IS happening.
I know a lor of people believe that the 1948 establishment of the nation state of Israel was fulfillment of the prophecy in Dueteronomy but if you read the full passage about the restoration of Israel, they first have to return to God and repent which has not happened. That nation is a heathen nation like all nations; Babylon.
It is happening… the restoration of Israel.. just like Gentiles, Jews are coming to believe in Jesus Christ as Messiah… it IS happening.
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This will be my last response to you, although this response is not so much to you but rather to any child of God who would be following this conversation.
A child of God must not only know about heaven but also about hell and the pitfalls and traps of the devil else he will be fodder for the devils consumption.
There is a common saying about those who are heavenly minded with no earthly good. They constantly peer up into the sky (into the heavens) not realizing that all around them the devil is hard at work breaking down their defenses. The devil is the prince of this world and goes about seeking those who he can devour.
Truly those who are easily offended by the word are really not saved and should probably prepare themselves for habitation among the mammon of unrighteousness.
Jesus said this:
Luke 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
Truly, Christianity involves due diligence in many areas which results in our sanctification and redemption into the kingdom of God.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
A child of God must not only know about heaven but also about hell and the pitfalls and traps of the devil else he will be fodder for the devils consumption.
There is a common saying about those who are heavenly minded with no earthly good. They constantly peer up into the sky (into the heavens) not realizing that all around them the devil is hard at work breaking down their defenses. The devil is the prince of this world and goes about seeking those who he can devour.
Truly those who are easily offended by the word are really not saved and should probably prepare themselves for habitation among the mammon of unrighteousness.
Jesus said this:
Luke 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
Truly, Christianity involves due diligence in many areas which results in our sanctification and redemption into the kingdom of God.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
The "dry bones prophecy" (Ezek37) is a passage not speaking of a "physical / bodily resurrection from having previously been bodily / physically dead"... it is a passage (like a number of other passages presenting SAME) that is LIKENING this to a resurrection; that is, Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, WHERE SCATTERED [/'sown unto the earth'] is LIKENED unto one.
Are you looking at the quoted passage above and thinking: UNSAVED persons of the nation of Israel, who've DIED (at some point in the past, from this perspective) will be "resurrected" (bodily, from the dead) and THEN the SPIRIT OF GOD is breathed into them (like, AFTER 'DEATH' / at some point AFTER THEY'VE DIED)??
Here's a post I'd made recently about the various passages speaking of Israel's "future," which LIKEN IT unto a 'resurrection,' just as this Ezek37 passage [considered all together in its entire Ezek37-CONTEXT] itself does:
-- Post #208 - https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5024173
Are you looking at the quoted passage above and thinking: UNSAVED persons of the nation of Israel, who've DIED (at some point in the past, from this perspective) will be "resurrected" (bodily, from the dead) and THEN the SPIRIT OF GOD is breathed into them (like, AFTER 'DEATH' / at some point AFTER THEY'VE DIED)??
Here's a post I'd made recently about the various passages speaking of Israel's "future," which LIKEN IT unto a 'resurrection,' just as this Ezek37 passage [considered all together in its entire Ezek37-CONTEXT] itself does:
-- Post #208 - https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5024173
Yes I agree that the 1st century Rome seems to me also to not have any fulfillment of the mark from what is written in Wars 2. Do you have the source of the Zealots using an mark? Because of how the Scriptures speak of the mark effecting even the gentiles though I'm not sure if it even would fulfill this either. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/14.htm
Daniel 2:
31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. 32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
At what point in time/event/history do you see the fourth kingdom change/move/transfer from the 'legs of iron' into the 'feet part of iron and part of clay'?
How do you match all of the details of these verses to the orginal 'Roman Empire' at the time of Jesus during His First Coming when it had not yet been divided?
How could all of the parts be 'smote' and 'broken together' before the historical reality of the 'iron and clay'?
31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. 32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
At what point in time/event/history do you see the fourth kingdom change/move/transfer from the 'legs of iron' into the 'feet part of iron and part of clay'?
How do you match all of the details of these verses to the orginal 'Roman Empire' at the time of Jesus during His First Coming when it had not yet been divided?
How could all of the parts be 'smote' and 'broken together' before the historical reality of the 'iron and clay'?
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First of all, nowhere in the passage does it indicate [Christ] actually seated on a throne.
I do not believe the "Christ was not there -
- and then He was" interpretation of the passage.
As for the time frame:
~ after the crucifixion of Christ
~ after [all of] 'us' (in the context) were redeemed "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"
~ after [all of] 'us' have been resurrected - having "glorified bodies" - allowable to be present in heaven
~ the number of which is "ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands"
~ at a time when "every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them" could be heard saying "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever"
I do not believe the "Christ was not there -
- and then He was" interpretation of the passage.As for the time frame:
~ after the crucifixion of Christ
~ after [all of] 'us' (in the context) were redeemed "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"
~ after [all of] 'us' have been resurrected - having "glorified bodies" - allowable to be present in heaven
~ the number of which is "ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands"
~ at a time when "every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them" could be heard saying "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever"
First of all, nowhere in the passage does it indicate [Christ] actually seated on a throne.
I do not believe the "Christ was not there - - and then He was" interpretation of the passage.
As for the time frame:
~ after the crucifixion of Christ
~ after [all of] 'us' (in the context) were redeemed "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"
~ after [all of] 'us' have been resurrected - having "glorified bodies" - allowable to be present in heaven
~ the number of which is "ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands"
~ at a time when "every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them" could be heard saying "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever"
I do not believe the "Christ was not there -
- and then He was" interpretation of the passage.As for the time frame:
~ after the crucifixion of Christ
~ after [all of] 'us' (in the context) were redeemed "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"
~ after [all of] 'us' have been resurrected - having "glorified bodies" - allowable to be present in heaven
~ the number of which is "ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands"
~ at a time when "every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them" could be heard saying "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever"
I believe you have misunderstood my question.
In 'practical' terms, there will be a "last soul saved" before Christ returns - there is/are no two ways about it - it is, by definition, inescapable.
In 'practical' terms, we are talking about souls actually being saved rather than the power to save being ever-present for that purpose.
In 'practical' terms, there will be a "last soul saved" before Christ returns - there is/are no two ways about it - it is, by definition, inescapable.
In 'practical' terms, we are talking about souls actually being saved rather than the power to save being ever-present for that purpose.