Conversations with AI about Gender

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Me: What is a biological woman?


AI: The term "biological woman" is generally used to refer to a person who was born with female reproductive organs and anatomy. This means that their physical characteristics, such as their chromosomes, hormones, and genitalia, are typically associated with the female sex.
The term "biological woman" is sometimes used in discussions related to gender and sex, particularly in contrast to the term "transgender woman," which refers to a person who identifies as a woman but was assigned male at birth. However, it is important to note that a person's biological sex is not always a simple or straightforward matter, as there can be variations and complexities in genetic and hormonal makeup that do not fit neatly into binary categories of male or female.

It is also important to recognize that gender identity and biological sex are separate concepts. While a person's biological sex may be male or female based on their physical characteristics, their gender identity may not necessarily align with their biological sex, and they may identify as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth.

Me: What is the point of the word gender?



AI: The word "gender" is typically used to refer to the social and cultural roles, behaviors, and expectations that are associated with being male or female in a given society or culture. It is distinct from biological sex, which refers to a person's physical and physiological characteristics.
The concept of gender is important because it helps us understand how social and cultural factors can shape our identities, behaviors, and interactions with others. It can also shed light on how power and inequality can be constructed and reinforced through gender roles and expectations.

Gender can be a complex and multifaceted concept, and different cultures and societies may have different ideas about what it means to be male or female. In recent years, there has been increasing recognition of the diversity and fluidity of gender identities, and the importance of respecting and valuing the experiences and perspectives of people who do not conform to traditional gender norms.


Me: If every person had their own unique gender, would the word still have value?



AI: If every person had their own unique gender, the concept of gender as a binary and fixed category based on biological sex would no longer be applicable. Instead, gender would be understood as a highly individualized and fluid aspect of identity that can vary widely from person to person.
In such a scenario, the word "gender" may still have value as a means of referring to the diverse and multifaceted ways in which people understand and express their gender identities. However, the meaning and use of the word would likely evolve to reflect the changing understanding of gender as a highly personalized and fluid aspect of identity.

It is worth noting, however, that the concept of gender is still relevant and important in our current understanding of identity, as it can help us understand how social and cultural factors shape our experiences and interactions with others. Even if the concept of gender were to evolve in the future, it would likely remain an important aspect of identity and social interaction.


Me: But isn't that based off of social norms involving biological sex, which gender is not related to?


AI: You raise a valid point. While gender is often associated with social and cultural norms related to biological sex, it is important to recognize that gender identity can be independent of biological sex.

Gender identity refers to a person's internal sense of being male, female, both, neither, or a combination of these, and it can be influenced by a wide range of factors, including social and cultural norms, personal experiences, and individual preferences.

In recent years, there has been growing recognition of the diversity and fluidity of gender identities, and the importance of respecting and valuing the experiences and perspectives of people who do not conform to traditional gender norms. As a result, the concept of gender has evolved to include a broader range of identities and expressions, and is increasingly recognized as a highly individualized and personal aspect of identity that is not necessarily tied to biological sex or social norms.

So while gender identity can be influenced by social and cultural norms related to biological sex, it is ultimately an individual experience that can vary widely from person to person, and should be respected as such.
 

Eli1

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I see all this big buzz about “AI”.
You all realize that this is a search engine right?
I know @ZNP and a few others realize this.
 

ZNP

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I see all this big buzz about “AI”.
You all realize that this is a search engine right?
I know @ZNP and a few others realize this.
ChatGPT 4.0 is what Bing is using for their search engine.

But it is much more than a search engine.

1. Neuralink has a chip that they implant in the brain and it will connect your brain to a supercomputer run by AI. You could download battlefield intelligence straight to the brains of the soldiers. Recently they showed how AI can score in the top 20% on virtually any standardized exam. So if you are not in the top 20 but would like to get a job this could be appealing.

2. ChatGPT is being used to write copy used on news broadcasts.

3. DeepFake videos are already being used by news agencies so that their "anchor" can deliver breaking news even when not in the station.

4. AI is being used in various industries to suggest protein structures for medicine, help with legal cases, assist doctors with diagnosis, and they use robotics to conduct surgery. As you give the data to AI it will learn and eventually be able to perform the surgery all itself. This is what has happened with drones. For decades we had pilots flying them remotely but all that data has trained AI to fly them autonomously.
 

Eli1

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ChatGPT 4.0 is what Bing is using for their search engine.

But it is much more than a search engine.

1. Neuralink has a chip that they implant in the brain and it will connect your brain to a supercomputer run by AI. You could download battlefield intelligence straight to the brains of the soldiers. Recently they showed how AI can score in the top 20% on virtually any standardized exam. So if you are not in the top 20 but would like to get a job this could be appealing.

2. ChatGPT is being used to write copy used on news broadcasts.

3. DeepFake videos are already being used by news agencies so that their "anchor" can deliver breaking news even when not in the station.

4. AI is being used in various industries to suggest protein structures for medicine, help with legal cases, assist doctors with diagnosis, and they use robotics to conduct surgery. As you give the data to AI it will learn and eventually be able to perform the surgery all itself. This is what has happened with drones. For decades we had pilots flying them remotely but all that data has trained AI to fly them autonomously.
Yeah I get it but this “ai” is basically a crawl engine crawling the web and getting general consensus from billions of sources.
And like you said in another post, it will “crash” or “won’t like” deep probing questions which are against the mainstream narrative.
So the point is, if an emp bomb takes us to the stone ages in communication, then ai is dead because there are no more resources.
‘It’s a glorified search engine, not an independent thinker like us humans.
 

ZNP

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Yeah I get it but this “ai” is basically a crawl engine crawling the web and getting general consensus from billions of sources.
And like you said in another post, it will “crash” or “won’t like” deep probing questions which are against the mainstream narrative.
So the point is, if an emp bomb takes us to the stone ages in communication, then ai is dead because there are no more resources.
‘It’s a glorified search engine, not an independent thinker like us humans.
Then how do you explain Alpha Go beating the best Go player in the world by teaching itself to play Go over several months?
 

Eli1

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Then how do you explain Alpha Go beating the best Go player in the world by teaching itself to play Go over several months?
What do you mean by this? I thought I just did.
‘An “ai” is a programmed program which is taught to give you human-like responses and finding those responses on the web.
So its capacity at learning is faster than any human because is able to process data faster and beat Gary Kasparov in chess but it’s not sentient and it has no genuine thoughts of it’s own.
‘Its thoughts are other’s people’s thoughts on the web basically.
 

ZNP

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What do you mean by this? I thought I just did.
‘An “ai” is a programmed program which is taught to give you human-like responses and finding those responses on the web.
So its capacity at learning is faster than any human because is able to process data faster and beat Gary Kasparov in chess but it’s not sentient and it has no genuine thoughts of it’s own.
‘Its thoughts are other’s people’s thoughts on the web basically.
I'm not talking about the AI that beat Kasparov, I'm talking about Alpha Go that beat Lee Se-dol. It came up with strategies that no one had ever come up with before. Those were original ideas. Likewise the Alpha chess version came up with new strategies for chess that contradicted existing theory. It is much better than the version that beat Kasparov.
 

Eli1

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I'm not talking about the AI that beat Kasparov, I'm talking about Alpha Go that beat Lee Se-dol. It came up with strategies that no one had ever come up with before. Those were original ideas. Likewise the Alpha chess version came up with new strategies for chess that contradicted existing theory. It is much better than the version that beat Kasparov.
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But these ideas and combinations in chess or whatever this other game is (Alpha go) are derived from a computer with great computing capability.
‘I mean this is a known thing with computers. You should know this.
‘You can do an extremely complicated division By hand on paper and it takes you an hour or use a calculator and you’re done in 5 minutes.
‘This has nothing to do with the calculator being sentient tho.
 

ZNP

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But these ideas and combinations in chess or whatever this other game is (Alpha go) are derived from a computer with great computing capability.
‘I mean this is a known thing with computers. You should know this.
‘You can do an extremely complicated division By hand on paper and it takes you an hour or use a calculator and you’re done in 5 minutes.
‘This has nothing to do with the calculator being sentient tho.
Go is the oldest game in the world, about 4,000 years. There are more possible moves in Go than atoms in the Universe.

And yet Alpha Go after a few months came up with new strategies that no one had come up with in over 4,000 years. It was thought that a computer would never be able to compete with humans because the variations are so complex you can't do the computations.
 

Eli1

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Go is the oldest game in the world, about 4,000 years. There are more possible moves in Go than atoms in the Universe.

And yet Alpha Go after a few months came up with new strategies that no one had come up with in over 4,000 years. It was thought that a computer would never be able to compete with humans because the variations are so complex you can't do the computations.
Look, as I said I don’t know this game but I don’t understand why this is so special at all.
‘Computers again vastly outmatch humans in speed and calculations. It has taken us ages to even understand our place in the cosmos so our progress is slow, but our ingenuity and awareness is unique. Something that no artificial machine can match.
Anyway, the point here is that we have nothing to worry about in terms of some sentient “ai”. What we have to worry about (as another dear friend mentioned to me in private) is the crazy people playing around with code or with viruses in a lab.
So, we are our own worst enemy. Not a search engine.
 

ZNP

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Look, as I said I don’t know this game but I don’t understand why this is so special at all.
‘Computers again vastly outmatch humans in speed and calculations. It has taken us ages to even understand our place in the cosmos so our progress is slow, but our ingenuity and awareness is unique. Something that no artificial machine can match.
Anyway, the point here is that we have nothing to worry about in terms of some sentient “ai”. What we have to worry about (as another dear friend mentioned to me in private) is the crazy people playing around with code or with viruses in a lab.
So, we are our own worst enemy. Not a search engine.
It isn't a search engine. It didn't go through a list of previous games and imitate their moves. It didn't copy someone's rules or strategy.

I don't disagree that it can't compete with Jesus, but it will mop the floor with 80% of humans and in two months it will probably be mopping the floor with 90% of humans. If you are a freshman in college you probably will have no chance to compete in four years. Right now AI is scoring in the top 20% level on the Bar exam, four years from now it will probably be scoring in the top 1% on the bar.

For example, suppose you had an army with the neuralink connecting your brain to the AI supercomputer and it has two way communication. The drone that you have flying overhead, you will be able to see in real time as you are on the ground. You would have instant access to all the intelligence that the AI has, meanwhile whatever you see or hear the AI will see and hear. The army could make decisions on a dime, change strategy, change tactics based on real intelligence that was gained instantly.

This is a game changer.

Imagine you are questioning a prisoner that doesn't speak your language. The AI could immediately identify the language and then give you the translation to speak to the prisoner.

If AI is part of your brain (neuralink) then it will also be part of the targeting and firing capability. Your accuracy will be significantly greater than armies in the past.

You don't need a calculator, don't need a compass, don't need a map, it will all be on the AI.
 

Eli1

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It isn't a search engine. It didn't go through a list of previous games and imitate their moves. It didn't copy someone's rules or strategy.

I don't disagree that it can't compete with Jesus, but it will mop the floor with 80% of humans and in two months it will probably be mopping the floor with 90% of humans. If you are a freshman in college you probably will have no chance to compete in four years. Right now AI is scoring in the top 20% level on the Bar exam, four years from now it will probably be scoring in the top 1% on the bar.

For example, suppose you had an army with the neuralink connecting your brain to the AI supercomputer and it has two way communication. The drone that you have flying overhead, you will be able to see in real time as you are on the ground. You would have instant access to all the intelligence that the AI has, meanwhile whatever you see or hear the AI will see and hear. The army could make decisions on a dime, change strategy, change tactics based on real intelligence that was gained instantly.

This is a game changer.

Imagine you are questioning a prisoner that doesn't speak your language. The AI could immediately identify the language and then give you the translation to speak to the prisoner.

If AI is part of your brain (neuralink) then it will also be part of the targeting and firing capability. Your accuracy will be significantly greater than armies in the past.

You don't need a calculator, don't need a compass, don't need a map, it will all be on the AI.
I don’t disagree with all of this except how we call it. It’s not AI. It’s a search engine.
‘It’s like calling a part of the web “dark web”. There is no such thing. It doesn’t exist. It’s the same protocol.
‘But for marketing and sensational purposes we will call it “ai” or “dark web”.

Also the things that you mentioned is called human progress.
‘Think about GUNS that Christians love them so much and pull bible verses to support their position or call them “tools”.
So what you’re dealing with here is human progress and once you open Pandora’s box like we did with the atomic bomb you can’t go back.
So, nothing to worry about. God will reveal himself to all humanity past, present and future and that Is something to look forward to.
 

ZNP

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https://blog.gitnux.com/chat-gpt-statistics/#:~:text=Chat GPT was launched on,one week of its launch.

Chat GPT 4.0 is 100x more powerful than Chat GPT 3.0 and it is 500x stronger. It has a training set with 170 trillion parameters making it the most powerful AI ever seen by the public.

It can be reasonably assumed that Chat GPT 4.0 will do better than 80% of students at present, but will improve with practice, and so in two months it might be better than 85%, and after six months better than 90% and a year from now better than 92%.

How many children will refuse to take the easy way out to do their papers, how many teachers will refuse to let Chat GPT grade the papers?

It improves exponentially as you feed it data. Perhaps in two years it will be in the top 1%.

Imagine you are in elementary school, or JHS or even HS right now, knowing that in two years all the businesses will be using this.

Think of how much money businesses can save if they eliminate most of their white collar jobs with AI and most of their blue collar jobs with robots.
 

ZNP

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Let's consider a hypothetical, in two months a student graduates from Law school and a month later takes and passes the bar exam. He applies for a job. You have two choices, both did equally well on their exams and in terms of pure performance both seem evenly matched. Both will cost $60,000 in their first year. However, the other candidate is AI, it is improving exponentially, so by the second year it will far surpass the guy you are considering and it will be kept completely up to date on the news, and on various journals. The AI will work 24/7 and after the first year it is just $10,000 a year service fee. Also when you ask each a question the person you are considering takes an hour to do the research and write an email whereas AI takes two minutes.

Which one will you hire knowing that if you make the wrong decision you could be out of a job and your firm may even go bust.
 

Niki7

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As an aside, people are so &^$*!! deceived, that a transgender male was voted woman of the year USA Today

Leigh Finke, transgender legislator, wins USA Today 2023 ‘Women of the Year’ honors


and here's the beauty now



Nope
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Yeah I get it but this “ai” is basically a crawl engine crawling the web and getting general consensus from billions of sources.
And like you said in another post, it will “crash” or “won’t like” deep probing questions which are against the mainstream narrative.
So the point is, if an emp bomb takes us to the stone ages in communication, then ai is dead because there are no more resources.
‘It’s a glorified search engine, not an independent thinker like us humans.

Gonna use my "dad joke" here "When God passed out brains, I thought he said trains,
And I missed mine." So that being said, why is Musk saying a search engine could be so dangerous that it needs to be shut down? Laymens terms please.
 

Niki7

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Gonna use my "dad joke" here "When God passed out brains, I thought he said trains,
And I missed mine." So that being said, why is Musk saying a search engine could be so dangerous that it needs to be shut down? Laymens terms please.
He recognizes the dangers inherent in AI.

ps: I'm sure you do in fact have brains (y);)

Here is a link that might be helpful

Elon Musk says A.I. is ‘quite dangerous technology,’ but Bill Gates says ‘there’s no threat’

How do you know when Gates is lying?

Answer: His mouth is moving and words are coming out
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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ZNP

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So that being said, why is Musk saying a search engine could be so dangerous that it needs to be shut down? Laymens terms please.

  • Transportation systems: AI can be used to optimize traffic flow, reduce congestion, and improve public transportation. It can also help in improving the safety and security of transportation systems by predicting and preventing accidents.
  • Energy systems: AI can help in optimizing energy generation, transmission, and distribution systems. It can also help in predicting and preventing power outages, and identifying energy wastage.
  • Water management: AI can be used to optimize water management systems, such as water treatment plants, distribution networks, and wastewater management systems. It can also help in identifying and mitigating water pollution.
  • Healthcare systems: AI can be used to improve healthcare systems by predicting and preventing diseases, identifying and managing patient data, and improving clinical decision-making.
  • Public safety: AI can be used to improve public safety by predicting and preventing crime, monitoring public spaces, and identifying potential security threats.
  • Financial systems: AI can be used to improve financial systems by detecting fraudulent activities, predicting market trends, and providing personalized financial advice.
  • Communication networks: AI can help in optimizing communication networks, such as cell phone networks, internet service providers, and satellite communication networks.
  • Manufacturing and industrial systems: AI can be used to optimize manufacturing and industrial systems, such as production lines, supply chain management, and quality control.

Anything that they use AI to run can also be shut down by AI.

Imagine in a single hour all communications networks shut down, yet AI can continue to communicate with all its nodes. The water supply is also cut off. And the power is shut off to everything expect for the computers running the AI. Also all traffic lights turn to red. Without electricity, water or communications what happens to large and small cities? We have seen what happens when there is a blackout in large cities, but this could be nationwide. Also, all our water is pumped into towers and then gravity fed. AI could prepare for this event by shutting off those pumps a day early so that when this hits not only is there no power there is also no water. It could also pick the optimal time to turn all traffic lights to red, say during rush hour in January. Communications go out at the same time the electricity does and there is mass chaos on the streets, say 5:15 in the evening. It is cold, no one knows what is going on, the roads are a complete mess, etc. Also if you shut down the power to nuclear plants you will probably get meltdowns.