The Heresy of Perfectionism

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zone

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I hear what you say the fact that you are wrong sdoesnt mean I do not hear you. However the only fault I see in you is
#1 A misunderstand of grace
#2 Blind allegiance to one of satans ministers
now you want to kiss up and make friends with anyone who sounds conciliatory.
slippery. sssssssssssssssssssssssss.
you've called people (not just me) dogs, swine, every name you get thrown back at you.
deal with it son.
 
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AnandaHya

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I hear what you say the fact that you are wrong sdoesnt mean I do not hear you. However the only fault I see in you is
#1 A misunderstand of grace
#2 Blind allegiance to one of satans ministers
1. you have no clue what I believe concerning grace but that's ok its between God and me anyways.

2. my allegiance is to God and God told me to love everyone, enemies and friends alike. If you see that as stupidity or blindness take it up with God.
 
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unclefester

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clarification of point please: are you saying not agreeing with you or "resisting" you is the same as resisting God?
Of course he is. It's one of the perks of being sinless.
 
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AnandaHya

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clarification of point please: are you saying not agreeing with you or "resisting" you is the same as resisting God?
I wonder if 4runner will answer this question.....

i don't want to misunderstand Unclefester but its important to know his answer not what we think his answer is on this one...it takes the conversation to a whole different ballgame depending on the answer.
 

zone

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You resist the Lord Himself, not me. I am nothing more than a vessel He uses
He has vessels of wrath you know.
they oppose the Cross.
the Propitiation.
His Gracious Gospel.
His Church.

read Jude.
 
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Originally Posted by AnandaHya

clarification of point please: are you saying not agreeing with you or "resisting" you is the same as resisting God?
Disagreeing with the obvious, plain sense meaning of scripture because of who quotes it to you, or because it doesnt line up perfectly with your preferred doctrine is resisting God's word.

I am no more than a man. To disagree with me means nothing at all.
 
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AnandaHya

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Disagreeing with the obvious, plain sense meaning of scripture because of who quotes it to you, or because it doesnt line up perfectly with your preferred doctrine is resisting God's word.

I am no more than a man. To disagree with me means nothing at all.
Ok had to ck, thanks for clarifying.
 
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FireOnTheAltar

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Originally Posted by zone View Post
i got no problem attacking you.
you're a liar and a heretic.
if i get banned and you stay, that's fine.
I KNOW WHO I HAVE BELIEVED.
k?

And there in lies the problem. While you may see yourself as a watchman or a defender of the faith, in truth your actions reveal what truly lives inside of your heart. It's obvious that any compassion that you express is a mask that can be taken on and off at your convenience. Why not admit that you love to argue, you love the attention, you love knowledge and the idea that you are right (in your own opinion, that is) and others are wrong. Basically, you place more value on knowledge over the souls of others and that makes you wrong at heart regardless if your words might be right.

Matthew 5: 43-44

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

Your hatred and ridicule of anyone who takes a stand against your views proves that you are no better than the "pharisees" from which you claim to defend the faith from. You are every bit the wolf in sheep's clothing as those you point the finger at.

1st Corinthians 13:2-5

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;

A fine example of the religious apostate church who neither knows or cares about the heart of God.
 
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FireOnTheAltar

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Originally Posted by zone View Post
i got no problem attacking you.
you're a liar and a heretic.
if i get banned and you stay, that's fine.
I KNOW WHO I HAVE BELIEVED.
k?

And there in lies the problem. While you may see yourself as a watchman or a defender of the faith, in truth your actions reveal what truly lives inside of your heart. It's obvious that any compassion that you express is a mask that can be taken on and off at your convenience. Why not admit that you love to argue, you love the attention, you love knowledge and the idea that you are right (in your own opinion, that is) and others are wrong. Basically, you place more value on knowledge over the souls of others and that makes you wrong at heart regardless if your words might be right.

Matthew 5: 43-44

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

Your hatred and ridicule of anyone who takes a stand against your views proves that you are no better than the "pharisees" from which you claim to defend the faith from. You are every bit the wolf in sheep's clothing as those you point the finger at.

1st Corinthians 13:2-5

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;

A fine example of the religious apostate church who neither knows or cares about the heart of God.

1 John 3:15
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

1 John 14:20
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
 
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Consumed

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Takes two to tango, judge and with equal measure it's judged back, we all fall into that trap, grace of God helps us come to a realization there is a better way to do things without the emotional attachment.
 

zone

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Your hatred and ridicule of anyone who takes a stand against your views proves that you are no better than the "pharisees" from which you claim to defend the faith from. You are every bit the wolf in sheep's clothing as those you point the finger at.

1st Corinthians 13:2-5

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;

A fine example of the religious apostate church who neither knows or cares about the heart of God.
you would love all that to be true.
but the problem is, it isn't.

i love the integrity of Christ's Word, His Cross, the True Gospel, and THE LOST.
i love christians who know they're not worthy, who admit they aren't perfect, who love the truth no matter what it costs them.

you have come in trashing calvinists, justification by grace, you've taken great glee in calling me jezebel, saying cessationists are devoid of the Spirit at best, Finney is a great example of sound theology and real revival....on and on.

so, when that comes in, i'll attack it.

the zeal for the The Lord's word, the knowledge of HIS FINISHED WORK burns in me like a fire, 'Fire On The Altar'.

i despise the man-centered gospels, the signs and wonders junk, the self righteous make my stomach hurt. you talk about love all you want to. love isn't amening false doctrine.
love isn't sitting in your high seat, or boasting of your great revivals.

and i couldn't care one iota what you think of me....k?:)

Revelation 2:21
“‘I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false.
 
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zone

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1 John 3:15
Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

1 John 14:20
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
ya.....i don't HATE anybody.
i HATE false doctrine.
and i'm not called to love enemies of the true gospel.

i'm just ordered not to hate 'em. and i don't. maybe you're a holier christian than i am.

what else ya got FIRE ON THE ALTAR?

did you know all that talk of baptism by fire means JUDGMENT?

does calling me jezebel and suggesting i'm demonic for resisting your N.A.R. fall into your murder scenario? cuz there's a lust for revenge in you my friend.
 
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Takes two to tango, judge and with equal measure it's judged back, we all fall into that trap, grace of God helps us come to a realization there is a better way to do things without the emotional attachment.
Once again you have shown yourself. You pile on, and pile on, and as soon as someone calls out your cult leader you defend.
 

zone

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You hate God's word, and God's people. You have proven that by your approach to His truth
False doctrine you love, you spend your life defending it.
r-u-b-b-i-s-h.
 

zone

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Once again you have shown yourself. You pile on, and pile on, and as soon as someone calls out your cult leader you defend.
a very weird obssession.
perhap a vacation? therapy?