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That's good that there is people like you Joshua175 and I thank God for that I really recommend you to go to a United Pentecostal Church or an Apostolic Church. We believe just like you everything we teach comes straight from the Bible we don't add or take away we have verses for reference and for every teaching.
For those who don't obey read the Bible so this won't apply to you
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." (Jeremiah 17:5)
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12)
But I guess that
"Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." (Daniel 12:10)
Now that we tried to warn you about the oneness of God
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Please don't add words like "Trinity" or "Three Gods" or "Three distinct people/persons" or even take away the ONE and only God
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19)
For those who don't obey read the Bible so this won't apply to you
"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." (Jeremiah 17:5)
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12)
But I guess that
"Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." (Daniel 12:10)
Now that we tried to warn you about the oneness of God
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Please don't add words like "Trinity" or "Three Gods" or "Three distinct people/persons" or even take away the ONE and only God
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19)
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The word trinity is used to describe the God head it is not in scripture but just because the word trinity is not in scripture does not make the doctrine false.
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. (1john 4:12) why would John say this when he obviously says in john 1:1 and 1:14 that God has become flesh and dwelt among us and that we have beheld is glory? It is because he is referring to God the father. There is also the whole chapter of hebrews 1 which I'll let you read at your leisure pay particular attention to verses 8 and 9. There is also that part in phillipians 2:1-11 which talks about the Lord Jesus not holding equality with God something to be grasped yet being in nature God. To which I must ask who is God at that point if he is relinquishing it? There is also Luke 22:41-44 where Jesus was praying for the cup to pass from him. and immediately after in matthew 26:53 he says that his father would send a legion of angels if he would but ask. John 14:26 talks about the father sending the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus which is interesting as to how the father would send the spirit if he has to switch between them. John 14:28 talks about the father being greater than Jesus another interesting verse against sabellianism as Jesus is referring to the father in the present tense. I could go on and on and on with verse and explanations for why modalism or sabelianism or unitarianism or oneness is wrong. would you like me to continue?
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. (1john 4:12) why would John say this when he obviously says in john 1:1 and 1:14 that God has become flesh and dwelt among us and that we have beheld is glory? It is because he is referring to God the father. There is also the whole chapter of hebrews 1 which I'll let you read at your leisure pay particular attention to verses 8 and 9. There is also that part in phillipians 2:1-11 which talks about the Lord Jesus not holding equality with God something to be grasped yet being in nature God. To which I must ask who is God at that point if he is relinquishing it? There is also Luke 22:41-44 where Jesus was praying for the cup to pass from him. and immediately after in matthew 26:53 he says that his father would send a legion of angels if he would but ask. John 14:26 talks about the father sending the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus which is interesting as to how the father would send the spirit if he has to switch between them. John 14:28 talks about the father being greater than Jesus another interesting verse against sabellianism as Jesus is referring to the father in the present tense. I could go on and on and on with verse and explanations for why modalism or sabelianism or unitarianism or oneness is wrong. would you like me to continue?
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would also like to add that trinitarians believe shmi y'srael YHWH elihenu YHWH echod. we worship the one God from everlasting to everlasting and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ the son of God who is God as our savior sent by the father who is also God and the application of the saving work of Jesus by his Holy Spirit who is also God. There is only one God. also when you are truly able to comprehend infinity I dare say you might be on the track to understanding the trinity.
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Thank you. Well, I have a heart for people that don't understand God. They are confused and it's merely ignorance. So many people grow up being taught the trinity and never think to question it with scripture. But you know salvation only takes belief and confession in Jesus Christ.
Romans 10:8-11 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
Beyond that, it's His Holy Spirit that teaches us and right now we all see God through a glass, darkly but one day everyone will be able to see clearly. Salvation is by Grace. God understands our weakness, he knows that we are as the grass and he pities us as a father pities his children.
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That's great and awesome that you believe Shema O Israyel, Adonai Elihenu, Adonai Ehad. Hear O Israel, The Lord your God, The Lord is One. According to what you are saying we believe the same we worship the one God who revealed Himself to Moses by the phrase "I am that I Am." it expresses the essential, eternal and unchangeable "Being" of Jehovah. The primary meaning of the name "Lord"(Jehovah) is the "Self existent One." Literally, "He that is who He is, therefore the eternal I Am." Yes Jesus Christ(name) the Son(title) of God is God our saviour(title) "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." (Isaiah 42:8) Will I not give to another as in no other person or people but Himself.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) His name shall be called Wonderful(title), Counsellor(title), The mighty God(title), The everlasting Father(title), The Prince of Peace(title).
A title is not a name. However, a title brings out certain attributes and characteristics of Jesus(name). Each title has a meaning. I agree no one has seen the Spirit alone only the Word made flesh in other words the Spirit in Flesh for if we could see Spirit alone we would be naturally holy but we are not we are naturally sin trying to be holy only the Lord is naturally Holy.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."-(Isaiah 9:6) His name shall be called Wonderful(title), Counsellor(title), The mighty God(title), The everlasting Father(title), The Prince of Peace(title).
A title is not a name. However, a title brings out certain attributes and characteristics of Jesus(name). Each title has a meaning. I agree no one has seen the Spirit alone only the Word made flesh in other words the Spirit in Flesh for if we could see Spirit alone we would be naturally holy but we are not we are naturally sin trying to be holy only the Lord is naturally Holy.
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The Lord (Adonai) Yahuweh or Jehovah means "The Self existent One"
Yaoshua or Yashua or Jesus means "Yahuweh is salvation"
And Jesus himself said he is the Father and also the Son
"Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19).
"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24).
We should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25).
And it was prophesied in (Isaiah 9:6) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only one Father.
God Bless You and I hope this helps you out in your confusion
Yaoshua or Yashua or Jesus means "Yahuweh is salvation"
And Jesus himself said he is the Father and also the Son
"Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."-(John 8:19).
"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."-(John 8:24).
We should note that "he" in the verse is in italics, which indicates that it is not in the original Greek, been added by the translators. Jesus was really identifying Himself with the "I AM" of (Exodus 3:14). The Jews who did not understand his meaning, asked, "Who art thou?" Jesus answered, "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning."-(John 8:25).
And it was prophesied in (Isaiah 9:6) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only one Father.
God Bless You and I hope this helps you out in your confusion
I agree with your original thesis Revolution, but I don't think this is the strong delusion spoken of by the Apostle Paul in second Thessalonians. I have my own theories on that, but for the most part I believe it to be the delusion that "once saved, always saved" philosophy that runs so rampant among modern "Christians." Most who are, in fact, false converts and are on the road of death and destruction.
I don't understand how the "trinity" works, but Jesus is the Father (in some sense) because Jesus is God and there is only one God. Bless you,
-Jeremy
I don't understand how the "trinity" works, but Jesus is the Father (in some sense) because Jesus is God and there is only one God. Bless you,
-Jeremy
Calvinist or not, the majority of Christians are deluded into thinking they can continue in their sins, never truly repenting, that is to turn from their sins, forsake them with a contrite heart, confessing to God that their deeds are wicked and evil and agree with his holy law of truth; They believe that they can continue in their sins and enter the kingdom of God.
The great delusion... straight from the pit of hell.
The great delusion... straight from the pit of hell.
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"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." (Jude 1:4)
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" (2 Thessalonians 2:3)
We have always preached Jesus as the son of God,This preaching wount change.
The Book of Mark
Chapter 1
1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
This is very clear harken
in Jesus name
The Book of Mark
Chapter 1
1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
This is very clear harken
in Jesus name
For those of you who are in doubt regarding the deity of Jesus Christ, there are many scriptures clearly making that affirmation. One, who even Jehovah witnesses, or any other heretical cult, cannot refute is found in the first chapter of Revelation.
"And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." Revelation 1:17-18
Jesus is the first and the law, he lives, was dead (on the cross), and behold, he is alive for evermore. Amen.
"And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." Revelation 1:17-18
Jesus is the first and the law, he lives, was dead (on the cross), and behold, he is alive for evermore. Amen.
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could the following mean that Jesus is the Holy Spirit?
John 14
17The Spirit of Truth, Whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him or know and recognize Him. But you know and recognize Him, for He lives with you [constantly] and will be in you.
18I will not leave you as orphans [comfortless, desolate, bereaved, forlorn, helpless]; I will come [back] to you.
19Just a little while now, and the world will not see Me any more, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. 20At that time [when that day comes] you will know [for yourselves] that I am in My Father, and you [are] in Me, and I [am] in you.
Jesus is the visible image of the Holy Spirit just as he is the visble image of the Father and will live in them just as he lives with them constantly and the Father is in him.
John 14
17The Spirit of Truth, Whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him or know and recognize Him. But you know and recognize Him, for He lives with you [constantly] and will be in you.
18I will not leave you as orphans [comfortless, desolate, bereaved, forlorn, helpless]; I will come [back] to you.
19Just a little while now, and the world will not see Me any more, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. 20At that time [when that day comes] you will know [for yourselves] that I am in My Father, and you [are] in Me, and I [am] in you.
Jesus is the visible image of the Holy Spirit just as he is the visble image of the Father and will live in them just as he lives with them constantly and the Father is in him.
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No because Jesus says in a bit I will send the Holy Spirit to you or rather the father will send the spirit. Also we know Jesus will be coming back at the time he is speaking during his resurection or the parousia. Also how can Jesus be with them if he is at the right hand of the father making intercession for the saints.