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Karlon

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the Bible is totally, the inspired word of God. we know that by 2nd Timothy 3:16,17 & 2nd Peter 1:20,21. also, John 3:33 says, "he that hath received HIS testimony hath set to his seal that God is true". Christians that have received the testimony of God proves the Bible is the inspired word of God. Romans 8:16, "for the Spirit beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God".
 
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And the Words of Yeshua speak of marriage, feasting, normal life entering into the first year's of the Great Horrible Tribulation.
Days of Noah and Lot

we won't even know we are in Tribulation for first couple years because life won't change from how it was before Tribulation began.


But His Words soon become warnings of Wrath.
Noah preached every day until the Ark was completed and filled

we will be preaching about Pre-Trib Rapture in year 2 of the actual 7 year Tribulation.


Yeshua gave us the blueprint!

Pre-Wrath!!
look at the examples of Noah and Lot:
Life was normal every day until the Day of WRATH took place.

we will be here until BEFORE Wrath will be unleashed.

there is NO doctrine based off Tribulation.

there's only life is ONE WAY same ole same ole every day in life for the world and humanity and then SUDDENLY TRAGEDY STRIKES!!

LOOK at Covid:
just hit out of blue and IMMEDIATELY we were locked down.

normal day to day life and then Covid hits and it all changes.



we will be here for almost 2 years of the first 7 years of Tribulation.

why?

God is Pre-WRATH!!
 
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God told Ezekiel to write, and He wrote "set thy face against the daughters of my people". I am not the one who put gender into this God did.
False Women Prophets

17Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, 18And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? 19And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?

20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. 21Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: 23Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.


UOTE="oyster67, post: 5051892, member: 197225"]True.

Yes. (Sorry I answered in the wrong order.)


Qualifications for the office of False Prophet are not gender specific.[/QUOTE]
 
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Watchman I am not trying to be smart mouthed or anything like that but God says in
Revelation 9


1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. 3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.


4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.


This army of locusts could not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing neither any tree. Stop and thank what do the locust devour things with green leaves. Not these locust so are they really locust or something else? These locust go after men with the sting of a scorpion but not just any man but only those that have not “ do not have” the seal of God in there forehead. Stop and thank tap yourself on the forehead, what is back or behind it. Your brain so this locust can not hurt those with the seal of God in there brain only those without it. This is at the 5th trump if we were going to raptured away why would those of us with the seal of God in our forehead still be here?
 

Underwhosewings

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Rapture true or false? True, in fact I dont know of anyone who does not believe there will be a catching up to meet the Lord in the air,
Luke 21:34-36 KJV
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted

worthy
to escape


all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
 

Underwhosewings

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Not sure any believer would ask unless they didn't know read the bible no offense. In 1st Thess we can all read about Christ will come in the air with a voice shout trump dead will rise we (as Paul said during that day) which remain will be change and get "caught up" Rapture together to meet the lord in the air to be with Him forever.

This is no doctrine its fact. It will happen Christ told us He went back to His Fathers house to make us a place and would come back and get us so where He is we will be and if it was not so He would have told us. Now if Christ didn't know when then He never lied. He told them what will happen but when? As He told those that asked if now He was going to rule(restore the kingdom) He said of those times and seasons "only" the Father knows " “It is not for you to know periods of time or appointed times which the Father has set by His own authority; ".

The only debate is when pre mid post which no one knows so best be ready now. Like one well know preacher who is home now said "I am post tribulation BUT if Christ comes now I am ready". Very wise.
Yes, and people forget that God is actually capable of looking after His own, while plaguing the ungodly.
As He did in Egypt.
The plagues fell on the ungodly Egyptians.
 

Webers.Home

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The portion of 2Tim 3:16 below is deliberately misquoted. Watch for the
revision.

"All scripture is given by dictation"

Critics are quick to point out discrepancies in the four Gospels as rock-solid
irrefutable proof that they were not inspired because in their minds,
inspiration is all the same as dictation.

While true that portions of the Bible were dictated, the majority of it wasn't;
and when you have two or more witnesses telling the same story-- for
example the authors of Kings and Chronicles --it is rare indeed when they
perfectly match. In point of fact, when they are just a bit too verbatim;
experienced detectives suspect collusion.

Also: translations cannot be claimed to be by inspiration of God because it is
nigh unto impossible to move thoughts from one language into another
without having to make adjustments to the language and grammar of the
transfer. This is a crucial difficulty in some third world countries and
primitive societies where their vocabularies lack sufficient equivalent words.

And let's face it: the original manuscripts are long gone; lost in time. Even
the oldest among the manuscripts we have today-- a.k.a. the so-called
"better" manuscripts --cannot be guaranteed 100% true reproductions of the
originals. Caveat Lector.
_
 

cv5

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The portion of 2Tim 3:16 below is deliberately misquoted. Watch for the
revision.


"All scripture is given by dictation"

Critics are quick to point out discrepancies in the four Gospels as rock-solid
irrefutable proof that they were not inspired because in their minds,
inspiration is all the same as dictation.


While true that portions of the Bible were dictated, the majority of it wasn't;
and when you have two or more witnesses telling the same story-- for
example the authors of Kings and Chronicles --it is rare indeed when they
perfectly match. In point of fact, when they are just a bit too verbatim;
experienced detectives suspect collusion.


Also: translations cannot be claimed to be by inspiration of God because it is
nigh unto impossible to move thoughts from one language into another
without having to make adjustments to the language and grammar of the
transfer. This is a crucial difficulty in some third world countries and
primitive societies where their vocabularies lack sufficient equivalent words.


And let's face it: the original manuscripts are long gone; lost in time. Even
the oldest among the manuscripts we have today-- a.k.a. the so-called
"better" manuscripts --cannot be guaranteed 100% true reproductions of the
originals. Caveat Lector.
_
Yet the integrated message system remains intact with an exceedingly robust signal-to-noise ratio.
God is fully in control. Always was, always will be.
 
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Luke 21:34-36 KJV
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted

worthy
to escape


all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
he Return of the Son of Man

(Matthew 24:26-31; Mark 13:24-27)



25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

All the things in verse 25&26 must happen before verse 27 AND THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING INA CLOUD WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY. 28 AND WHEN THESE THINGS BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, THEN LOOK UP, AND LIFT UP YOUR HEADS; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH.

2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Let NO MAN deceive you No man (not your pastor, a small group leader, someone on this site) DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS!
 

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Dear Saints,

I have found that Scripture answers Scripture; the word of God answers all questions related to itself! The bible is clear on the 2nd advent of Jesus Christ and how when He comes He will take the saints to heaven to be with Him (John 14:3; I Thes 4:15-18; Rev 22:12).

However, I believe the question being raised is when the tribulation will occur. The bible offers many examples to draw from besides scriptures that provide answers if we would accept them.

For example,
Noah and his family were saved from the flood, but they had to go through it.
Daniel was saved from being devoured in the Lion's den, but he went through it.
The three Hebrew boys (Shadraq, Meshak and Abendigo) were saved from the fiery furnace, but they went through it.
Israel and his twelve sons were preserved from the famine through Joseph, but they went through it.

The children of God in the last-days will also go through persecution and trials and see the devastation of the last seven plagues (Rev 15-16) on humanity; however, God will protect us as He did the Children of Israel when the ten plagues devastated the Egyptians, their enslavers. Keep in mind these plagues precedes Israel's deliverance from Egypt (Exodus 7:19-12:30), and Babylon falls just before Israel return from captivity.

I believe if we follow the examples, patterns and scripture provided in scripture, we must conclude their is no secret rapture, but a promised second coming of Jesus where all eyes will see Him and His reward is with Him to give to every man according to his work (Rev 1:7, 22:12).
 

cv5

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Dear Saints,

I have found that Scripture answers Scripture; the word of God answers all questions related to itself! The bible is clear on the 2nd advent of Jesus Christ and how when He comes He will take the saints to heaven to be with Him (John 14:3; I Thes 4:15-18; Rev 22:12).

However, I believe the question being raised is when the tribulation will occur. The bible offers many examples to draw from besides scriptures that provide answers if we would accept them.

For example,
Noah and his family were saved from the flood, but they had to go through it.
Daniel was saved from being devoured in the Lion's den, but he went through it.
The three Hebrew boys (Shadraq, Meshak and Abendigo) were saved from the fiery furnace, but they went through it.
Israel and his twelve sons were preserved from the famine through Joseph, but they went through it.

The children of God in the last-days will also go through persecution and trials and see the devastation of the last seven plagues (Rev 15-16) on humanity; however, God will protect us as He did the Children of Israel when the ten plagues devastated the Egyptians, their enslavers. Keep in mind these plagues precedes Israel's deliverance from Egypt (Exodus 7:19-12:30), and Babylon falls just before Israel return from captivity.

I believe if we follow the examples, patterns and scripture provided in scripture, we must conclude their is no secret rapture, but a promised second coming of Jesus where all eyes will see Him and His reward is with Him to give to every man according to his work (Rev 1:7, 22:12).
The rapture of the Church bro. An indisputable fact that the Bible declares in clear and compelling form.
Keep your eyes open looking to the soon coming of the Lord Jesus. Keep your garments!

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THE RAPTURE TRUE OR FALSE?





Let me ask this question first: Do you believe that the bible is the inspired word of God?





Scriptures copied from Biblehub.com


2nd Timothy 3


All Scripture is God-Breathed


10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.






2nd Peter 1:19-21


19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.






As you can already tell I am using BibleHub.com to copy verses, I will be using the 1611 Authorized version of The King James Bible.


With that in mind lets see what God has to say about the timing of the tribulation, the second coming of Christ, and our gathering to meet Him.






The Rapture Truth or a Lie.


Ezekiel 13



King James Bible BileHub.com

Par ▾


The Reproof of False Prophets


1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; 3Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. 5Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 6They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 7Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?


8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. 9And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. 10Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: 11Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. 14So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 15Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.


False Women Prophets


17Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, 18And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? 19And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?


20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. 21Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: 23Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
How do you think all these verses tie together to say something about the rapture?
 

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1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Jesus one day shall deliver up the kingdom to God, and then the wrath of God shall be poured upon the Earth as Jesus puts down all rule, authority, and power, that people exercise on Earth exalting themselves.

Which the beast kingdom in Revelation is the kingdom of man in its entirety which they believe in no God, and the antichrist, New Age Christ, exalts himself above all by causing them to believe he evolved to be spiritual and godlike who is Lucifer controlling a human being.

Which the new age movement believes Lucifer is a god, and an alien, that wants to help mankind have peace on Earth, and eons ago brought the principle of mind to the then animal-man, and will cause them to evolve along with the New Age Christ to be spiritual and godlike.

The new age movement(1 Timothy 4:1-5; 2 Timothy 4:2-4), which will come out at the latter times, and the time will come people will only want to hear their interpretation of the Bible.

And it is here now.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The battle of Armageddon is when the nations attack Jerusalem, and Jews in general, and God comes back with the saints and defeats the world which all the saints come with Him so all of the saints must of been resurrected from the Earth to come back with Him.

Which when Jesus comes back the saints are with Him.

When the wrath of God is poured upon the Earth there is no saints on Earth but the Jews who Jesus will save at the battle of Armageddon.
 

cv5

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Which when Jesus comes back the saints are with Him.

When the wrath of God is poured upon the Earth there is no saints on Earth but the Jews who Jesus will save at the battle of Armageddon.
Correct. God bless your rapture testimony.
 

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THE RAPTURE TRUE OR FALSE?





Let me ask this question first: Do you believe that the bible is the inspired word of God?





Scriptures copied from Biblehub.com


2nd Timothy 3


All Scripture is God-Breathed


10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.






2nd Peter 1:19-21


19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.






As you can already tell I am using BibleHub.com to copy verses, I will be using the 1611 Authorized version of The King James Bible.


With that in mind lets see what God has to say about the timing of the tribulation, the second coming of Christ, and our gathering to meet Him.






The Rapture Truth or a Lie.


Ezekiel 13



King James Bible BileHub.com

Par ▾


The Reproof of False Prophets


1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; 3Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. 5Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 6They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 7Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?


8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. 9And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. 10Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: 11Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. 14So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 15Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; 16To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.


False Women Prophets


17Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, 18And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? 19And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?


20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. 21Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: 23Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
I believe that the rapture will occur, but the question is when it will happen. I believe that the Bible, God's inspired Word, teaches one second coming of Jesus, when he will descend to meet all believers in the air. He will come with the souls of believers who have died. The resurrection of all people will occur with the Final Judgment. He will create the new universe, in which we will live with God forever in our resurrected bodies. If it doesn't happen that way, I will still be praising God whatever way it happens.
 

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Dear Saints,

I have found that Scripture answers Scripture; the word of God answers all questions related to itself! The bible is clear on the 2nd advent of Jesus Christ and how when He comes He will take the saints to heaven to be with Him (John 14:3; I Thes 4:15-18; Rev 22:12).

However, I believe the question being raised is when the tribulation will occur. The bible offers many examples to draw from besides scriptures that provide answers if we would accept them.

For example,
Noah and his family were saved from the flood, but they had to go through it.
Daniel was saved from being devoured in the Lion's den, but he went through it.
The three Hebrew boys (Shadraq, Meshak and Abendigo) were saved from the fiery furnace, but they went through it.
Israel and his twelve sons were preserved from the famine through Joseph, but they went through it.

The children of God in the last-days will also go through persecution and trials and see the devastation of the last seven plagues (Rev 15-16) on humanity; however, God will protect us as He did the Children of Israel when the ten plagues devastated the Egyptians, their enslavers. Keep in mind these plagues precedes Israel's deliverance from Egypt (Exodus 7:19-12:30), and Babylon falls just before Israel return from captivity.

I believe if we follow the examples, patterns and scripture provided in scripture, we must conclude their is no secret rapture, but a promised second coming of Jesus where all eyes will see Him and His reward is with Him to give to every man according to his work (Rev 1:7, 22:12).
From my perspective, (pre-trib) the Church is removed from the earth, then there will Tribulation, from my view once the church is removed, there will be two witnesses to the entire world preaching the Gospel, also there will be 144,000 witnesses there will be a great amount of people still being saved, the pictures you have like
The three Hebrew boys (Shadraq, Meshak and Abendigo) were saved from the fiery furnace, but they went through it.
to me are a brilliant picture of this, and notice how you pointed out they are three Hebrew boys, I totally agree with examples like this its a picture of Jewish believers that are preserved in the upcoming fiery period.

Yet I also believe the verses that say the Church is not appointed to wrath, also it seems illogical to me for God, to supernaturally endow two witnesses with power, and to seal another 144,000 as witnesses when we already have a witness on earth, the Church!

Wait, if the Church has been caught up to the Lord pre tribulation then it makes perfect sense.

Waiting till the end of tribulation, then catching all believers up into the air, transformed into their glorified eternal bodies and turning around to come back to earth seconds later makes zero sense to me.

Believers that survive till the end of the tribulation can enter into the land of Israel and repopulate, along with the nations from a pre-trib perspective.
 

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The three Hebrew boys (Shadraq, Meshak and Abendigo) were saved from the fiery furnace, but they went through it.
Hananiah, Azariah and Mishael. Representing Israel. Fiery furnace (seven times hotter) representing the tribulation.

So where is Daniel? Edited out of the scene intentionally of course.

Daniel is yet another type of the pre-trib rapture of the Church.
As is Enoch pre-flood.
 

GaryA

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Waiting till the end of tribulation, then catching all believers up into the air, transformed into their glorified eternal bodies and turning around to come back to earth seconds later makes zero sense to me.
And, that is one of the 'assumption' mistakes that pre-trib folks make - thinking that it will [only] be "seconds later"...

It will be at least some-number-of-hours later - while the 'Wrath of God' is "poured out upon the earth" (7 vials) - not to mention that Armageddon must also transpire during that time (could possibly add days to the total - maybe, maybe not) - before Jesus Himself "touches down" on the earth.
 

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I believe in the rapture, that is meeting Christ in the air. But after that I cannot for the life of me understand the sequence of events. The only thing I am sure about is the Wheat Harvest which occurs at Pentecost/Shavuot. Those who understand the Feasts of the LORD will know when this event is to occur and will be ready, even though they fall asleep while waiting. Those who have no clue about the Feasts of the LORD, will not be ready and speaking of the five foolish virgins, will go to buy for themselves when the Bridegroom arrives, only to return and be told "I know you not".

One theory I have is this - May 25, 2020 - is the 1) Anniversary of the Mt. Sinai covenant on Pentecost/Shavuot/Feast of Weeks. 2) The day George Floyd died at the hands of an abusive officer. Riots broke out around the world, about 60 nations protested. 3) The Jews call this day "Day of Distinction".

Add 2300 days to May 25, 2020 and it falls on September 11, 2026. This is the date the two witnesses would begin.
Add 1260 days or 3 1/2 years for the two witnesses and 1256 days to 1260 days (3 1/2 days lay dead) it falls on February 18-21, 2030. February 18, 2030 is Adar 15/Purim. Those who observe this Purim holiday traditionally give gifts. Revelation 11:10 - And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. Rev_11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Add 1335 days to February 21, 2030 and it falls on October 18, 2033/Tishrei 23, which is the day after the Last Great Eighth day/Tishrei 22, the last feast after Feast of Sukkot/Tabernacles.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
 

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I believe in the rapture, that is meeting Christ in the air.
Great!
But after that I cannot for the life of me understand the sequence of events...

...One theory I have...Add 2300 days to May 25, 2020 and it falls on September 11, 2026. This is the date the two witnesses would begin.
We heard from a so-called "prophecy expert" on another forum that
"he was one of the two witnesses, sold out, bought sackcloth," and
was "to be doing God's powerful work" - his "date" supposedly was:

March 05, 2023? We haven't heard from him since...

Our question is Why do these people continue to speculate, calculate,
And guess (embarassingly) about the end times when there is over a
1900-year "track record" which shows us a 100% Failure rate?
("bad works"?)

How is that getting anyone "prepared for judgment"? We're not
against studying end times and learning, but:

Isn't it more Important to get out the Gospel Of Grace, And to teach
and equip new-born babes (who would "choke," getting Confused
{on theories?} of the [end times] meat Of The Word) with how to be:

"Approved Unto God" so they also can have "good works" for
judgment, at the rapture?:
let us run with patience the race that is set before us
Amen! More study is here:

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
(+ I and II).

Grace, Peace, And JOY!… + RICH Blessings

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