Am I a prophet 🌠🌠🌠🌠🌠🌠🌠🌠

[Fundaamental]

You're reading a meaning into that parable that isn't there. Jesus begins and ends the parable with its clear meaning: we must persist in our prayers. It doesn't have anything to do with prophets' gifts.

it's fine by me if you only see it that way, but the reality is prayer brings about prophecy, the last word spoken by the unjust judge was prophecy, which was you will see the son of man coming.

The Judge was certainly no Christian, nor was he out to please God, he could have just said God will bring Justice for all.
The only reason the Judge spoke that was because God had heard the widows persistent prayer to the un just judge.

And out of the lips of the unjust Judge came a prophecy.

 

[presidente]

The bible is clear about the manifestation of the Spirit. It was very necessary for the early church(es) but not necessary today. [/quote/

Show me where the Bible teaches that. I have never seen that in the Bible.

[quote[There is no need for the miraculous manifestations of the Spirit today, those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10 which simulated a body by individuals in order to edify the body and to grow the church as well.

I don't see that in those verses. Where does the Bible teach that there is no need for these manifestations? The chapter even talks about different body parts functioning in different gifts and teaches says one part of the body does not to say to another, "I have no need of thee'-- which is contrary to your assertion.

We need no prophets, miracle workers, tongue speakers or interpreters of tongues etc today.

I don't see that in the Bible. Do you have scripture for that, or do you think you have authority to just make up doctrine when it comes to the topic of spiritual gifts?

We have the bible today where the gifts served tge purpose back then.

Show me where the Bible teaches that. Romans 12 calls teaching and exhortation gifts? Do you think no one teaches the word now, too?

And today, all you hear a out is tongues and not earthly tongues as evidenced in the bible, but incoherent babbling which serves NO purpose whatsoever.

I think you missed a word. I've witnessed a lot of gifts-- healing, speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, prophecy, and what I would consider to be the word of knowledge, in addition to teaching and gifts like that.

If you don't know a language, it sounds like incoherent babbling. Chinese and Vietnamese sound like babbling, but they both seem useful for many people who live in Asia. Also, I've mentioned I've spoken and corresponded with people who heard a language they knew spoken 'in tongues.' And I've also heard speaking in tongues that sound to my (somewhat linguistically trained) ears as what sounds like real languages. Those present did not understand what was spoken in tongues in I Corinthians 14, so Paul said to interpret for the church to be edified.

 

[presidente]

it's fine by me if you only see it that way, but the reality is prayer brings about prophecy, the last word spoken by the unjust judge was prophecy, which was you will see the son of man coming.

The Judge was certainly no Christian, nor was he out to please God, he could have just said God will bring Justice for all.
The only reason the Judge spoke that was because God had heard the widows persistent prayer to the un just judge.

And out of the lips of the unjust Judge came a prophecy.

I take that part to be Jesus' commentary on the parable.

 

[Fundaamental]

If all futuristic prophecies where done away with,
Then what about Johns prophecy about the new Jerusalem coming down from heaven.
Unless I'm mistaken John revealed th

I take that part to be Jesus' commentary on the parable.

so your saying it was just.a parable ?.

God never spoke through the Judge. I don't think there's any proof of that.
But the verse starts of by saying listen to what the unjust judge says.

 

[Blain]

Holy smokes.

The gift of prophecy is a gift from the holy spirit,

The prophecy will only come out of your lips because it's being spoken by the holy spirit to somebody who needs help in believing in God. It will be witnessed by two atheists and the prophecy will come true. The atheists will then go on to believe in God.

The prophecy will be spoken to an unbelieving athiest. Once the prophecy has come true the unbelieving person will hopefully believe God is real.

Once the prophecy has been spoken the Gift of prophecy has gone.

If you then go into another place where somebody needs help with believing, the gift of prophecy could come to you again, via the holy spirit speaking through you.

Once the prophecy is finished the gift is gone.

So basically you have recieved a gift and passed it on. But your no longer a prophet until a new gift of prophecy comes.

Let's look to scripture where a born again athiest can also have a prophesy spoke through them from the holy spirit.

All people who feel oppressed please feel to disagree with me.

The born again athiest who speaks a prophesy.

The Parable of the Persistent Widow
18 Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2 He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared what people thought. 3 And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’ ( this lady was also praying for God to speak).

4 “For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care what people think, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually come and attack me!’”

6 And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says (the born again athiest where The spirit had spoke through him.);. 7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

My friend I am afraid it will do no good while your intentions may have been good, many will not recieve what they consider foolish

A prophet can give a prophecy and they can be a prophet even miracles themselves have been shown to not sway people as seen with Jesus.

And God has shown me that one as a prophet can speak what God wants them to speak but he never said anything about defending it his words will speak for themselves

And now is the time for us to seek out Jesus more than ever to go deeper with him because I feel like it is going to be needed for our near future

 

[CS1]

Jesus may in fact be the Supreme authority, but he would never contradict himself or scripture. Not possible. The word or God is unchanging and everlasting.

It is not a fact, friend. It is the truth. And you may not know this, but much of the Old Testament has been fulfilled by Christ.
This is why we don't do sacrifices anymore. You do realize that Jesus is the Chief Coner Stone on which all others must build upon?

Jesus did not contradict himself. Nor did Paul say anything that the gifts of the Holy Spirit have stopped or not for today because of the canonization. The reason why there are not seen is that we are in a day when faith is not held to. Jesus said he would even find faith when he returns


Luke 18:7-9 7 And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? 8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”

Faith is the reason why or the lack, therefore. Easier for one to attack what you have not seen and call it the devil. The Pharisees said the same thing about the Lord Jesus. The word of God must be kept in context.

 

[CS1]

Ultimately, a person's viewpoint on the relevance of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. It is directly related to the type of church they attend.

If you attend an independent church denomination, you could well be open to some of the gifts.

A Pentecostal church member will be open to nearly all the gifts.

If you attend a traditional church, you might have only healing and perhaps knowledge. Some traditional churches may only have the gifts of faith, hope, and love.

If you belong to Judaism, Jesus has not risen.

So we have a Christian law in place.

The type of church you attend is directly proportional to your understanding, of the relevance of spiritual gifts.

That is a fact.

I disagree to a point. I have been to many places around the world where some Denominations, for example, in the United States, are completely removed from any gifts of the Holy Spirit, like the Anglican church. But in Africa, they are Charmatic. In India, where they have millions of Gods, the supernatural power of the One true God does the Miraculous. Also, where there are no doctors, many people have nothing but God's ability to heal. Seen that too. FYI I am not against Doctors; Luke was one.

And God uses them to heal.

 

[Dino246]

Great. I asked you previously to delineate your experience to which you responded with a dumb, sarcastic remark. So once again, what EXACTLY have you experienced? Have you performed miracles? Have you miraculously healed someone? What? If you or someone you know or have witnessed doing such, why are there still ill people on hospitals all over the world? Why aren't you or they healing everyone? I know why: it's nonsense, that's why. You can't nor can anyone else!

Your attitude in your previous "request" post (and repeated here) is all I needed to see to know that my (non-sarcastic) response was right on point. I know your position is incorrect. Nobody but God Himself can prove that to you, because you have a closed mind and a hard heart.

 

[Dino246]

Agree, and likewise, we no longer need prophesy either since we now have the complete word of God.

You don't understand the nature of the gift, which by the way is clearly spelled out in Scripture... and the word is "prophecy" when used as a noun.

 

[DJT_47]

I don't see that in those verses. Where does the Bible teach that there is no need for these manifestations? The chapter even talks about different body parts functioning in different gifts and teaches says one part of the body does not to say to another, "I have no need of thee'-- which is contrary to your assertion.



I don't see that in the Bible. Do you have scripture for that, or do you think you have authority to just make up doctrine when it comes to the topic of spiritual gifts?



Show me where the Bible teaches that. Romans 12 calls teaching and exhortation gifts? Do you think no one teaches the word now, too?



I think you missed a word. I've witnessed a lot of gifts-- healing, speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, prophecy, and what I would consider to be the word of knowledge, in addition to teaching and gifts like that.

If you don't know a language, it sounds like incoherent babbling. Chinese and Vietnamese sound like babbling, but they both seem useful for many people who live in Asia. Also, I've mentioned I've spoken and corresponded with people who heard a language they knew spoken 'in tongues.' And I've also heard speaking in tongues that sound to my (somewhat linguistically trained) ears as what sounds like real languages. Those present did not understand what was spoken in tongues in I Corinthians 14, so Paul said to interpret for the church to be edified.

Let's look at like this. How are the gifts manifested? The bible is clear on this as well. The gifts were imparted by the laying on of the apostle's hands, no other way, and the apostle's are all dead.

What was said specifically and what exactly was revealed in the prophesies you referred to? What was so profound that the bible didn't ready reveal? Did the so called prophesies come to pass? And as I mentioned previously, if people had miraculous gifts, why don't they heal every single sick person? The hospitals are full, yet no one is healing anyone!

Also, read 1 Cor carefully. They had many problems including division, lack of unity, worldlyness, immorality, issues in worship, etc. which is why the comments were made as they were, and also re, perfecting the body, becoming a perfect man, etc. This means through the gifts, and becoming perfected at Corinth, in the unity of the body of Christ there. Once that perfection was realized at a congregational level, and unbelievers were converted, the gifts ceased; in conjunction with the fact that they were limited in duration due to the aforementioned lack of being able to be manifested via the laying on of the apostles hands. WE also now have the scriptures to fill the void of gifts and no longer need them to build and/or edify the body of Christ. Also read Ephesians 4:11-16 in conjunction with the discussion of the gifts in 1 Cor.

 

[DJT_47]

Your attitude in your previous "request" post (and repeated here) is all I needed to see to know that my (non-sarcastic) response was right on point. I know your position is incorrect. Nobody but God Himself can prove that to you, because you have a closed mind and a hard heart.

Believe what you like. Goodbye 👋

 

[hornetguy]

I mean to say that the sum and total of all future telling per se has already been codified into the Bible.

There has been no inspired future-telling prophetic utterances after the early Church period, ending at John and Revelation.

Yes, I agree..... I mis-read your post.... I thought you said that prophecy is still seen over and over...... I was disagreeing that prophecy still happens today.... at least the kind of future-telling prophecy that many people mention.

 

[Inquisitor]

I disagree to a point. I have been to many places around the world where some Denominations, for example, in the United States, are completely removed from any gifts of the Holy Spirit, like the Anglican church. But in Africa, they are Charmatic. In India, where they have millions of Gods, the supernatural power of the One true God does the Miraculous. Also, where there are no doctors, many people have nothing but God's ability to heal. Seen that too. FYI I am not against Doctors; Luke was one.

And God uses them to heal.

You just proved my point.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in words, but in power.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The thing is......legit signs and wonders ARE MEANT TO BE SEEN. Their very function and purpose is that men might behold God's glorious power and believe on Him. In fact, the miracle of healing a leper was codified in the law to be duly witnessed AND RECORDED by the priest. The NT fact of which was meant as a loving outreach to the priests to bring them to faith. Which many did BTW.

Secret miracles just do not cut the mustard IMO.

so, you go to the doctor and get diagnosed + a sample is removed to test
test results positive
you go for a second opinion
same results

now you schedule for a full body ultrasound
a spot can be seen in the vision slides

few days later at Church Service the Pastor feels led by God to hold a time for Prayer Request/Prayer
you announce the positive results
the Church prays and you have the Faith to Believe

couple weeks later you resume schedule to remove the problem
this also is when doctors may take another look because they're expecting growth and they are fighting time
you get another body scan but more secluded to the area of issue
this time the Results are completely Negative, no mass, no nothing like it was never there
your doctor will suggest waiting a few days and doing another ultrasound

few days go by and you have another ultrasound
same results, Negative, no mass, no nothing like it was never there

but we KNOW it was there, because we have the biopsy that is 100% Positive to go back and re-exam


is this Miracle one that tens of thousands will know about?
nope
is this Miracle one that only a local Church, friends, and family will know about?
indeed

by size of who will know, isn't this merely a ""Secret Miracle,"" one of no value to yourself?

 

[CS1]

You just proved my point.

1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in words, but in power.

maybe I do not understand your meaning

 

[CS1]

so, you go to the doctor and get diagnosed + a sample is removed to test
test results positive
you go for a second opinion
same results

now you schedule for a full body ultrasound
a spot can be seen in the vision slides

few days later at Church Service the Pastor feels led by God to hold a time for Prayer Request/Prayer
you announce the positive results
the Church prays and you have the Faith to Believe

couple weeks later you resume schedule to remove the problem
this also is when doctors may take another look because they're expecting growth and they are fighting time
you get another body scan but more secluded to the area of issue
this time the Results are completely Negative, no mass, no nothing like it was never there
your doctor will suggest waiting a few days and doing another ultrasound

few days go by and you have another ultrasound
same results, Negative, no mass, no nothing like it was never there

but we KNOW it was there, because we have the biopsy that is 100% Positive to go back and re-exam


is this Miracle one that tens of thousands will know about?
nope
is this Miracle one that only a local Church, friends, and family will know about?
indeed

by the size of who will know, isn't this merely a ""Secret Miracle,"" one of no value to yourself?

not at all it is a testimony, and if one person hears it and comes to the Lord because of it that is Wonderful.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

not at all it is a testimony, and if one person hears it and comes to the Lord because of it that is Wonderful.

Amen!

 

[ResidentAlien]

I don't make appeals to scripture on this issue; unfortunately, scripture can be twisted. I base what I believe on the evidence. Those who preach signs and wonders always appeal to: "And greater things than this shall you do." Where are those who have been raised from the dead? Where are those who have had limbs regrown? Where are those who have received their sight or hearing simply from the touch of some healer's hand? The so-called miracle workers can't even replicate what Jesus did, much less do greater things. They point to gibber-jabber and say: Look, a miraculous sign! I can gibber-jabber; anyone can.

 

[Flannery]

Strictly speaking, gifts of the Spirit belong to the Spirit. So at any time the spirit contacts you, He affects you spiritually. You might experience prophecy at the time, or one of the other effects. In other words, God is omniscient, so the Holy Spirit always knows, but you wouldn't always know, only when the Spirit so moves, because it's His spiritual gift, axiomatically principled on His being a member of the Holy Trinity.

 

[Fundaamental]

The lord has been asking me to speak to A man who may shoot me. For a while now, but how do I know that this is truly from the lord. How do I know it's not the adversary looking to steel my life.
The lord convinces me he will go befor me, but yet I am still here 3 months later, no punishment has come my way.
I sometimes despair when I don't here from the lord straight away.
I'm then convicted that I should be willing to surrender my life.
I pray to the lord and recieve ideas of how I can be kept safe if I go on this journey
The lord tells me I will always go befor you.
The lord says I should fear no evil.
And I can send an angel to speak through anybody and reveal anything I so please.