Will Jesus "Second coming" present as a woman this time?
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Matthew 1
New International Version
The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah
1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah[b] the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4 Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6 and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,
7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12 After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,
Abihud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14 Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Elihud,
15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.
Joseph Accepts Jesus as His Son
18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[d]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[e] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[f] because he will save his people from their sins.”
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[g] (which means “God with us”).
24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Footnotes
New International Version
The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah
1 This is the genealogy[a] of Jesus the Messiah[b] the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2 Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4 Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6 and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,
7 Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9 Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12 After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud,
Abihud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14 Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Elihud,
15 Elihud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.
17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.
Joseph Accepts Jesus as His Son
18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about[d]: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet[e] did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[f] because he will save his people from their sins.”
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[g] (which means “God with us”).
24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Footnotes
- Matthew 1:1 Or is an account of the origin
- Matthew 1:1 Or Jesus Christ. Messiah (Hebrew) and Christ (Greek) both mean Anointed One; also in verse 18.
- Matthew 1:11 That is, Jehoiachin; also in verse 12
- Matthew 1:18 Or The origin of Jesus the Messiah was like this
- Matthew 1:19 Or was a righteous man and
- Matthew 1:21 Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua, which means the Lord saves.
- Matthew 1:23 Isaiah 7:14
Hello again Butterfly, actually, I never think that one verse of Scripture "cancels" another verse of Scripture out, rather, I believe that we need to look at the Scriptures as a consistent whole and find out how to harmonize verses that, on their own/at first blush, may seem contradictory to us.
It was Jesus' parents, not Isaiah, who named Him, yes
(and they clearly called Him Jesus, not Emmanuel, as per the angel's instructions to both Mary and Joseph).
Perhaps I am wrong however, and that should be easy enough for you to demonstrate to me by simply pointing out a verse in the NT where Mary, Joseph, the Apostles, and/or anyone else for that matter, calls Him "Emmanuel" instead of "Jesus" (because they surely would have done so if Emmanuel was actually His name, yes)!
There are also several places in the NT when He tells us plainly, "I am Jesus", or says, "I, Jesus...." as well places where people say to Him that they are looking for "Jesus" or for "Jesus the Nazarene" etc., and Jesus responds to them by saying, "I am He".
To the best of my knowledge there is nowhere in the Bible where anyone addresses the Lord Jesus by the name, "Emmanuel" instead, and/or where He claims that His name is "Emmanuel" (instead of "Jesus"). If there is such a place in the Bible, again, please point it out to me/us so that we can see it for ourselves!
Thank you
~Deuteronomy
p.s. - we know that the Lord continues to identify Himself as "Jesus" after His Resurrection and Ascension. If His name was actually "Emmanuel", then why do you think that He continued to use the name "Jesus" instead, even then
It was Jesus' parents, not Isaiah, who named Him, yes
(and they clearly called Him Jesus, not Emmanuel, as per the angel's instructions to both Mary and Joseph). Perhaps I am wrong however, and that should be easy enough for you to demonstrate to me by simply pointing out a verse in the NT where Mary, Joseph, the Apostles, and/or anyone else for that matter, calls Him "Emmanuel" instead of "Jesus" (because they surely would have done so if Emmanuel was actually His name, yes)!
There are also several places in the NT when He tells us plainly, "I am Jesus", or says, "I, Jesus...." as well places where people say to Him that they are looking for "Jesus" or for "Jesus the Nazarene" etc., and Jesus responds to them by saying, "I am He".
To the best of my knowledge there is nowhere in the Bible where anyone addresses the Lord Jesus by the name, "Emmanuel" instead, and/or where He claims that His name is "Emmanuel" (instead of "Jesus"). If there is such a place in the Bible, again, please point it out to me/us so that we can see it for ourselves!
Thank you
~Deuteronomy
p.s. - we know that the Lord continues to identify Himself as "Jesus" after His Resurrection and Ascension. If His name was actually "Emmanuel", then why do you think that He continued to use the name "Jesus" instead, even then
Acts 9
3 As Saul neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.
4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?”
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” He replied.
6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
Revelation 22
16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
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It wasn't intended to be harsh.... since he/she has been here, all he/she has done is make wide, sweeping statements about "truth", and then rails against anyone that dares to disagree. Then, he/she makes the statement that this website is not very "Christian"... at least not up to his/her standards.
I was merely offering a suggestion that would likely please everyone involved.
I'm just trying to help.... I'm willing to discuss any topic, and I'm willing to disagree... without all the histrionics and name calling. This person seems to have all the answers, and won't bridge any disagreement...
I was merely offering a suggestion that would likely please everyone involved.
I'm just trying to help.... I'm willing to discuss any topic, and I'm willing to disagree... without all the histrionics and name calling. This person seems to have all the answers, and won't bridge any disagreement...
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I'm new and I know he means every word.
He's mean. He insults people. He personally attacks them,he posts false accusations, and then wonders why his example and a few others here make a newly arrived Christian wonder at the atmosphere that kind of person generates, and is allowed to continue, in a place where Christians are suppose to chat together.
He not only meant every word but he's proud and unapologetic. Is he ever kind? Or is he always wicked?
Ask yourself this. Of all those new arrivals that post greetings here, how many stay ?
If the answer is, not that many, you might consider you have a problem.
He's mean. He insults people. He personally attacks them,he posts false accusations, and then wonders why his example and a few others here make a newly arrived Christian wonder at the atmosphere that kind of person generates, and is allowed to continue, in a place where Christians are suppose to chat together.
He not only meant every word but he's proud and unapologetic. Is he ever kind? Or is he always wicked?
Ask yourself this. Of all those new arrivals that post greetings here, how many stay ?
If the answer is, not that many, you might consider you have a problem.
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Will Jesus "Second coming" present as a woman this time?
I'm curious to see what people's thought's are about this? I would like a open-minded discussion about this, if possible.
I'm curious to see what people's thought's are about this? I would like a open-minded discussion about this, if possible.
Acts 17
31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
(NKJV)
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If you had been here long enough, you would know that I am none of the thing you accuse me of.
Kindly show me where I personally "attacked" you?
Kindly show me the "false accusations" against you?
So, I'm "wicked" ? How amusing.
Let's have the proof of your silly accusations....
Perhaps you should look at the "reactions" to my posts here, for the past 6 years.... perhaps the problem here is not me, but you.
I've never caused anyone to leave.... there have been several that have been banned, but it was not because of me. I don't have the authority to do that, nor would I want it.
I DO have a tendency to call things the way I see them, and troublemakers and trolls are normally the recipients... I have had strong disagreements with a few folks on here, but we've managed to agree to disagree, and still be brothers.... I have seen nothing in your posts to indicate you would be willing to do that, since you have accused me of not even being a Christian.
Enough on this.....
Kindly show me where I personally "attacked" you?
Kindly show me the "false accusations" against you?
So, I'm "wicked" ? How amusing.
Let's have the proof of your silly accusations....
Perhaps you should look at the "reactions" to my posts here, for the past 6 years.... perhaps the problem here is not me, but you.
I've never caused anyone to leave.... there have been several that have been banned, but it was not because of me. I don't have the authority to do that, nor would I want it.
I DO have a tendency to call things the way I see them, and troublemakers and trolls are normally the recipients... I have had strong disagreements with a few folks on here, but we've managed to agree to disagree, and still be brothers.... I have seen nothing in your posts to indicate you would be willing to do that, since you have accused me of not even being a Christian.
Enough on this.....
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Sometimes it's tough to understand the God of the Bible when nobody has ever taught Him to you. The following is a sermon about the Person of Christ and where much confusion has arisen from fictional books. I hope this helps.
This is why Christians find this topic offensive ma'am.
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This is why Christians find this topic offensive ma'am.
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Hello again WeAreAllOne, I meant to comment on this post of yours earlier but (obviously) failed to do so.
My answer to your question would have to be, "I don't know".
There are many on most Christian websites who (at least) claim to be Christians, but there are also those who declare themselves to be something else altogether, such as Jews, Deists, Baha'i, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Buddhists, Humanists, Agnostics, Atheists, and even the occasional witch or two (granted, this happens far more often on two of the other Christian forums that I post on, where posts from non-Christians, such as the aforementioned, are encouraged).
So, when someone doesn't tell us who/what they are, we have to ask, or guess.
I just jumped over to your profile page, and interestingly, I saw that you've declared your spiritual status to be "not Christian", yet you also claim to be "Saved" (and that, for your entire life), and also, in your statement above, you claim to "believe in the Lord Jesus". I would interested to hear more about how and from what you believe that you were saved, and how you can be BOTH a "believer" and a "non-Christian" at the same time, but that is definitely a conversation for a different time/different thread
~Deuteronomy
My answer to your question would have to be, "I don't know".
There are many on most Christian websites who (at least) claim to be Christians, but there are also those who declare themselves to be something else altogether, such as Jews, Deists, Baha'i, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Buddhists, Humanists, Agnostics, Atheists, and even the occasional witch or two (granted, this happens far more often on two of the other Christian forums that I post on, where posts from non-Christians, such as the aforementioned, are encouraged).
So, when someone doesn't tell us who/what they are, we have to ask, or guess.
I just jumped over to your profile page, and interestingly, I saw that you've declared your spiritual status to be "not Christian", yet you also claim to be "Saved" (and that, for your entire life), and also, in your statement above, you claim to "believe in the Lord Jesus". I would interested to hear more about how and from what you believe that you were saved, and how you can be BOTH a "believer" and a "non-Christian" at the same time, but that is definitely a conversation for a different time/different thread
~Deuteronomy
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I haven't read through the entire thread, but I don't believe that anyone here is insisting that "Jesus can't do that" (is ~incapable~ of returning as a woman, that is). Rather, what they should (at the very least) be insisting upon is that He would NEVER do that. Why Because doing so would make Him a liar.
His Second Coming has been documented for us in great detail in several places in the Bible, and outside of the fact that He is still referred to as Jesus Christ/Son of Man, all of the pronouns that are used to speak of Him at His Second Coming (and beyond) continue to be He/His.
I will post 2-3 examples of this from the Scriptures below.
~Deuteronomy
Because doing so would make Him a liar.His Second Coming has been documented for us in great detail in several places in the Bible, and outside of the fact that He is still referred to as Jesus Christ/Son of Man, all of the pronouns that are used to speak of Him at His Second Coming (and beyond) continue to be He/His.
I will post 2-3 examples of this from the Scriptures below.
~Deuteronomy
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
31 And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Matthew 25
31 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 1
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
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One final thought, I believe that the opening phrase from a particular verse in the Bible has been quoted in this thread several times. The problem is, "God is not a man" (from Numbers 23:19) has NOTHING whatsoever to do with gender!
Rather, it has everything to do with our immutable (changeless) God/loving Abba in Whom we can place our complete trust, because unlike us (unlike men ~AND~ women, that is) God does not lie, so we can always have perfect assurance that whatever He says to us (ALL of the pronouncements and promises that He makes to us) will ALL come to pass (in the very way that He tells us that they will).
It is also interesting to point out that this verse (in context) actually speaks directly against the idea that was broached in the title of this thread (that Jesus might return to us in a different way than He told us that He would/in a different way than God's word tells us that He will). So again, Numbers 23:19 is a wonderful reminder for us that God, who cannot lie, is completely worthy of our trust
As the Book of Hebrews also reminds us, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever", so we should remain vigilant, never allowing ourselves to be "carried away by varied and strange teachings".. Hebrews 13:8-9a (because we know that such teachings are from the world, not from Him).
So, the opening to/sole purpose of Numbers 23:19 can be best understood in this way,
Blessings to all in Christ!!
~Deuteronomy
Rather, it has everything to do with our immutable (changeless) God/loving Abba in Whom we can place our complete trust, because unlike us (unlike men ~AND~ women, that is) God does not lie, so we can always have perfect assurance that whatever He says to us (ALL of the pronouncements and promises that He makes to us) will ALL come to pass (in the very way that He tells us that they will).
It is also interesting to point out that this verse (in context) actually speaks directly against the idea that was broached in the title of this thread (that Jesus might return to us in a different way than He told us that He would/in a different way than God's word tells us that He will). So again, Numbers 23:19 is a wonderful reminder for us that God, who cannot lie, is completely worthy of our trust
As the Book of Hebrews also reminds us, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever", so we should remain vigilant, never allowing ourselves to be "carried away by varied and strange teachings".. Hebrews 13:8-9a (because we know that such teachings are from the world, not from Him).
So, the opening to/sole purpose of Numbers 23:19 can be best understood in this way,
Numbers 23
19 God is not a man (not a fallen, sinful human being), that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent;
Has He said, and will He not do it?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
Blessings to all in Christ!!
~Deuteronomy
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