And... what happens after one receives the Holy Spirit? Does He subject Himself to your interpretation of Scripture?
Spiritual gifts:Unconfusing them part 3 - analogy
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Is that what you do or do you get a little help from your denomination's doctrine?
I don't believe in anyone's doctrine. I read, study, and come to my own conclusions based on where the scriptures lead. Most people honestly don't do that and have preconceived ideas and try to manipulate the scriptures to agree with their own notions. Not a good idea nor sound doctrine in and of itself.
The doctrines you preach seem to be Church of Christ right down the line. Am I close?
I believe there are people who pray and believe Healing will take place, and it does, but they are not ministers of anything, just plain ole God fearing Believing people. Then there is also those people who just go through Cancer, and the test are 100% provable and Positive, or any illness and sickness, and Believe when they request Prayer and end up completely Healed.
I believe the Gifts are Active. I believe at any given moment where a Miracle takes place, God has placed regular Believers who just happen to Believe without needing to see an outcome beforehand, and can see the other side after a Miracle has taken place, and it happens. And it is God's Will! It is not a Written Will, a Biblical Will, just merely His Will in how He works from knowing the END from the Beginning and can intersect and place Miracles that just require people who Believe it can happen or Believe can be healed, fixed, renewed. Those Miracles still require the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. So in those rare but factual moments, that just happen to take place to people who are members of small congregations, Brothers and Sisters in Christ we [[will never know on this Earth]] experiencing Miracles all designed by God for this Day, Time, and Moment. But they are happening. And sometimes, they happen to you and me. Or we know about something that happened miraculously.
It's clear the Gifts are still Active but Active in the personal lives of Believers to Witness Miracles and sometimes be a part of the Miracle itself.
Paul tells us even Sinners can look at Creation and know God is real, even, if they reject Him. God will do things they can never Solve and be a reminder He is Real. There are aspects of the Holy Spirit and Gifts happening here so even a Lost Sinner can see clues about God.
It truly is quite evident that Gifts of the Holy Spirit are very well Active this very Day.
People can debate Gifts all they want, but most of you are alive today from a Gift that many of you Cessasionist most likely have, Discernment.
Discernment is WHY and HOW you even got a clue to do what you are able to do in life and for God.
Without Discernment, you could be lying in bed every night with Satan, shaped like the most beautiful creature you have ever seen
Discernment is WHY and HOW you even got a clue to do what you are able to do in life and for God.
Without Discernment, you could be lying in bed every night with Satan, shaped like the most beautiful creature you have ever seen
YOU may not like the truth, but they are called the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit". Those gifts are listed in 1cor chapter 12. I know you think they are no longer for today, or they are evident to you. There is nothing in the word of God that says they are not for today, and just because you have not seen it is completely your issue, not those who have. Nor is it our job to provide you with any proof.
The gifts of the Holy Spirit are listed
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
these gifts
- word of wisdom
- word of knowledge
- faith
- gifts of healings
- working of miracles
- prophecy
- discerning of spirits
- different kinds of tongues
- the interpretation of tongues
There are speaking gifts, There are faith gifts and power gifts. There are Administrative gifts and also
"Gifts of Christ" in Greek is known as the word dōrea (do-reh-ah'). Listed Ephesians chapter 4: 11
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
None of these gifts are done away with. There is nothing in the word of God that says so.
And if you have not seen it and think because you have not seen the gift of the Holy Spirit doesn't mean they have been done away with as well.
I will take the word of God over the need for your validation.
For me, it is settled. I believe in the word of God. I have been saved, empowered by the Holy Spirit, spoken in tongues, and used in many of the gifts. as the Holy Spirit has enabled me to do so. I have seen God heal through prayer: immediately, progressively, and regularly. All Glory to God. I am called to PREACH THE GOSPEL OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. I have seen many saved through the ministry the Lord has called me to. I have disciples, new believers, and preached in many Countries around the world. God has not changed, Nor has HIS word. Nor has the Bible Canonization Taken away from what the very word says will happen when the Holy Spirit empowers the believer. Now as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, why has it not stopped?
Because Jesus is the one who baptized in the Holy Spirit. Therefore all continues until HE returns. And if you don't see that, that is on you. My Testimony, my experience, and my Story. You tell your own, I will tell my own, and we shall see what fruits shall stand.
Wrong the Holy Spirit a gift when he is providing the gift. FYI the Holy Spirit is not flesh but Spirit therefore a manifestation happens through the believer who is used by the HS. A manifestation is not for the betterment of the HS it is done for us.
I'm surprised you did not understand that.
How do you know what "most people" do? Do you think others who disagree with you don't "read, study, and come to their own conclusions based on where the scriptures lead"?
Well, there we have it. The source of "your own conclusions" is now exposed for all to see.
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It is always so revealing when people use terms like 'most people' or 'you people' or 'they' or similar
It indicates exclusivity that the mosts, the yous and the theys do not possess. That possession is for the exclusives alone.
Every single time we see the use of terms such as the above, we will find someone believing they are part of some superior and exclusive religious institution
So we have forgiveness of sin through baptism (contrary to scripture) as that is the understanding of the Church of Christ. Their claim is that they base their beliefs on the 'early Christian church' as per the New Testament.
Except for spiritual gifts, the fact that salvation is through Christ alone and no works, no instruments in their worship, and several other attributes that make them somewhat not actually based on the New Testament church.
In other words, quite contradictory to what they say they actually believe. God knows how people can be so confused.
I don't worry too much about doctrinal distinctives, but I don't accept that certain CoC views are sound according to the full counsel of Scripture. I was more pointing out that the OP claimed to have come to his own conclusions, which just happen to align with CoC dogma.
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Oh that's fine. I could have just posted with clicking reply on your post. I agree that coming to your own conclusions can be a hit and miss trial. He does admit to be CoC though....which has specific doctrine that is really not as NT based as they claim...which you prob know.