I agree with this post, yet in post #235, I explained how we believe differently.
Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root.
This statement below from your previous post implies that both faith and works are the root of salvation:
To be saved from the flood they needed to believe and obey, to be saved from Egypt and be passed over, (last plague), they needed to believe and obey. To be part of God's people at the end we need to believe and obey.
To be saved from the flood they needed to believe and obey, to be saved from Egypt and be passed over, (last plague), they needed to believe and obey. To be part of God's people at the end we need to believe and obey.
Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith and not the origin of it. Building the ark demonstrated his faith and saved Noah and his family (physically) from drowning. (Hebrews 11:17)
"Building the ark (WORKS) demonstrated his faith and saved Noah and his family (physically) from drowning." Faith = works and resulted in saving Noah physically from the flood.
God told Moses and Aaron to instruct the Israelites to paint blood on their door posts. This signified their faith in God's warning and marked them out from the pagan Egyptians; when the angel of death passed through Egypt he would pass over the doors marked with blood (hence the name, "Passover") without killing the firstborn males who lived within those houses.
nothing has contradicted what i have said yet. If i say that our works mark us out from the pagans of today. im saying the same as you.
Obedience is not forced or legalistic for genuine believers. So to be part of God's people at the end, just how much do we need to obey according to you? Where do you draw the line in the sand and say that you were "obedient enough" so now the Lord will be able to save you? Does that not imply that we are saved by faith AND obedience/works?
So far i can't see anything i said that is wrong or disagrees with you. The bible teaches that a good tree produces good fruit and i teach the same. If we are filled with a love for Jesus and His Spirit is in us we will delight to do His will and Obey the Father in Heaven. our works reflect what is in the heart.