If one witness is admissible as evidence then the earth is flat, but also a ball. Also ghosts, bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, UFOs and functional McDonald's ice cream machines are all real.
Angels posing as men.
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Bogus theories will all be proven to be false and the truth will be shown to be just what it is as well.
Well... this thread needs a large bowl of popcorn, and probably some licorice nibs as well. Who's in?
I'm glad you recognize this... remember it when you are shown the truth.
So only YOUR theories are true, and all the others are bogus?
They all claim to be witnesses too. If one witness is valid, then all those things exist just like your demon cat.
Never happen. Those are words written on water when the person is shown the truth.
No, I didn't say that only my theories are true and all others are bogus. Every witness is valid as long as he or she is telling the truth. Truth and falsehood will all ultimately prove themselves to be what they are.
Cats are demons. It's a fact of life; sad, but true. I'm sad about my cats being demons. I loved them all and I miss them! My last one died last month; I'm still in mourning. The thing about it is that taking my cats in and giving them a home was all a part of a demon ploy... another thing you have to witness to understand what I'm talking about. Cats have nine lives... these weren't their first lives. They are demons and they come back from the dead, so I never should have taken them in. I'm glad it's now finally over, but it was nice getting to know them and take care of them. You can see I'm conflicted over the whole matter.
Tobit, or The Book of Tobias, is an inspired book. Considered in rank the same as Esther and Judith in its content. It is in the RSV Bible.
Read this, https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/intro/?search=Tobit&version=NABRE
Satan needed permission from God to go after Job, and even then, he was curtailed.
Your idea that angels can do whatever they want comes from your imagination.
The Apocryphal and Pseudepigraphical writings were preserved in the Catholic Bible but not canonized in the Hebrew Bible due to a number of reasons, starting with their questionable authorship and/or authenticity. Tobit was added to the Bible because the RCC decided to include it along with other books that had never been considered inspired. None of the Apocryphal writers claim to be inspired by God. They were all written during a time (400 years) between the two testaments when it was acknowledged there were no prophets, and no direct revelation from God. The New Testament Jews never included them in any Jewish collection of Scriptures, so contrary to people believing that books have been removed from the Bible, the opposite is actually true: books have been added. The Apocrypha contains a great variety of errors – historical, geographical, chronological, and moral, and promotes doctrines which contradict the Bible. Without these apocryphal books, the Roman Catholic Church would have absolutely NO support for their doctrines of purgatory, praying for the dead and offering sacrifices for the dead (indulgences was a significant reason for the reformation). The Gnostics held a totally different view of the Bible, of Jesus Christ, of salvation, and of virtually every other major Christian doctrine, which is why Paul preached against them and their false teachings. The inclusion of the Apocrypha in the original printing of the King James Bible was strictly for historical reasons.
With regard to Tobit, it is included in Catholic bibles but not Protestant editions, so calling it "Scripture" is problematic. You won't get agreement if you have a mixed audience.
I've been around cats my whole life. My mother always had at least one cat in the house, usually more than one.
If cats were demons, they would never have stuck around our Christian home.
Thanks Lynx, Magenta, and Dino246 for filling me in on the Book of Tobit. In being Catholic for 35 years, I wasn't exposed to the Protestant notions about the books of the Bible. I've been aware of the apocryphal books, I just considered them as a part of the Bible because I read Catholic Bibles. When there are two sides to an argument, as there is between Catholics and Protestants, you've got to wonder which side is right. I see what you're saying about Tobit, but the Catholics are saying the Contrary, that it's inspired. I really don't know who to believe. I need more evidence to say one theory is right and the other is wrong. Well, inspired or not, Tobit depicts an example of an angel in the form of a man. It serves as a case in point for what this thread was originally about.
Well, I don't know what to say. I'm a Christian and I had house cats. Demons got me to take them in as pets. They came up from Hell when I was introduced to them. The demons even tried to get me to take in a house dog, but I realized something suspicious was going on, so I didn't take it in. As much as I love dogs, I'm so glad I never had a dog. But I had cats, so I failed as a Christian at that.
You are welcome.
According to the Book of Tobit (4:11; 12:9), alms giving alone would save a person. Oh, well, yes, of course the Catholic church would accept and teach this. In fact, indulgences was the main reason Luther nailed his 95 theses to the door of the Castle Church at Wittenberg. This is a clear contrast with the New Testament's teaching of salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-9). John 3:16 is clear, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
I read a biography on Luther after I parted from the Catholic Church. The argument he had about indulgences makes sense. So, I know what you mean by that. Luther is regarded as a heretic by the Catholics, though.
I don't find anything wrong with what Tobit 4.11 and 12.9 say, Jesus himself condoned almsgiving: Matthew 6.3. Is it because you disagree with the effects of almsgiving that are stated in Tobit 4.11 and 12.9 which makes you find it to be faulty? If almsgiving has an effect such as the forgiveness of sins, is there something wrong with that? Well faith and repentance are paramount to finding forgiveness, but I wonder about the statements made in Tobit about almsgiving.
The Douay–Rheims Bible, also known as the Douay–Rheims Version, Rheims–Douai Bible or Douai Bible,
and abbreviated as D–R, DRB, and DRV, is a translation of the Bible from the Latin Vulgate into English
made by members of the English College, Douai, in the service of the Catholic Church. It states in Tobit 4.11~
For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness.
Tobit 12:9 For alms delivereth from death, and the same is that which
purgeth away sins, and maketh to find mercy and life everlasting.
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