Angels posing as men.

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DanielJosephBoucher said:
Sorry, it's just me. I used to like comedy, but one day I was watching the Daily Show with Jon Stewart and he was making fun of Jesus. I stopped liking comedy then and I haven't watched Comedy Central since.
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There are many Christian comics. Try Tim Hawkins.
 
DanielJosephBoucher said:
I am aware of that. Thanks for the reminder.
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I believe demons can possess people and perhaps even appear as human.

I encountered one or the other months ago. It was a female human in appearance.
It went from being mildly miffed in general to totally ticked off in a matter of seconds.

Now, some might think I merely encountered an upset woman. I would disagree.
Because before it got control of itself its face started to change form.
However, what it did not bother to control or stop from transforming were the eyes. They changed color right in front of me. And everything it had contained in stopping its physical transformation was within and around those eyes.

It's voice even changed. To the point its female friend said something in hopes it would calm down.

Fascinating .
 
ChristsChild said:
I believe demons can possess people and perhaps even appear as human.

I encountered one or the other months ago. It was a female human in appearance.
It went from being mildly miffed in general to totally ticked off in a matter of seconds.

Now, some might think I merely encountered an upset woman. I would disagree.
Because before it got control of itself its face started to change form.
However, what it did not bother to control or stop from transforming were the eyes. They changed color right in front of me. And everything it had contained in stopping its physical transformation was within and around those eyes.

It's voice even changed. To the point its female friend said something in hopes it would calm down.

Fascinating .
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Are you sure? Sometimes, it is hard to tell the difference between a wokist/leftist/Communist and a demon, as they often are taking orders from the same place.
 
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Magenta said:
No you do not know what I am trying to say. Partly because I have not tried to say anything! I have plainly
said what I mean while you keep misunderstanding and acting as if I am the one lacking understanding.

Angels cannot do anything God does not allow them to do. Period. That is a plain statement, repeated many times for your
benefit, and it is irrefutable no matter how hard you try to wiggle your way around it and act as if I have said anything different.
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Isn't there two wills at play here? God's permissive will, and His perfect will? That we are sinners demonstrates that creatures can act against God's perfect will. However, as I understand, His permissive will allows much that His perfect will does not.
 
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Moses_Young said:
Isn't there two wills at play here? God's permissive will, and His perfect will? That we are sinners demonstrates that creatures can act against God's perfect will. However, as I understand, His permissive will allows much that His perfect will does not.
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Of course.

If Angels could ONLY do God’s Will, then Satan would have never rebelled, and the Angels in Tartarus would be free right now, instead of in chains.

They are there precisely BECAUSE they didn’t do God’s Will.
 
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Moses_Young said:
Isn't there two wills at play here? God's permissive will, and His perfect will? That we are sinners demonstrates that creatures can act against God's perfect will. However, as I understand, His permissive will allows much that His perfect will does not.
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Doesn't matter how many wills are in play, because angels cannot do what God does not allow them to.

I wonder why anyone would argue against this.
 
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Magenta said:
Doesn't matter how many wills are in play, because angels cannot do what God does not allow them to.

I wonder why anyone would argue against this.
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I agree with you on this much: If God doesn't allow it to be done, then it won't be done; just like how God would not let Satan touch Job's person the first time Satan brought misfortune to Job, and also, with the next time Satan brought misfortune to Job, God wouldn't let Satan take Job's life.

I disagree, however, because I know God prohibits things such as in the Commandments and the Law, yet people still violate the Commandments and the Law. Somehow, sin occurs without God allowing it to occur.
 
DanielJosephBoucher said:
I agree with you on this much: If God doesn't allow it to be done, then it won't be done; just like how God would not let Satan touch Job's person the first time Satan brought misfortune to Job, and also, with the next time Satan brought misfortune to Job, God wouldn't let Satan take Job's life.

I disagree, however, because I know God prohibits things such as in the Commandments and the Law, yet people still violate the Commandments and the Law. Somehow, sin occurs without God allowing it to occur.
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You contradict yourself.
 
DanielJosephBoucher said:
I agree with you on this much: If God doesn't allow it to be done, then it won't be done; just like how God would not let Satan touch Job's person the first time Satan brought misfortune to Job, and also, with the next time Satan brought misfortune to Job, God wouldn't let Satan take Job's life.

I disagree, however, because I know God prohibits things such as in the Commandments and the Law, yet people still violate the Commandments and the Law. Somehow, sin occurs without God allowing it to occur.
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Is it not God who gives life and breath to those who sin? Is God unaware that sin will transpire? Is God too impotent that He cannot intercede?
Nothing happens that is not allowed by God. Nothing happens that God is unaware of. Even a sparrow falling to the ground has not escaped God's attention. Were a new hair to grow upon your head God would have it counted.
 
DanielJosephBoucher said:
Well, how else do you explain sin and transgression, but that they are not allowed by God to happen?
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If God did not allow it, sin and transgression would not happen.

God's permissive will allows for these things even though they are not aligned with His moral will.

His sovereign will does not prevent them from happening.

Think on that, and the fact that Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world...
 
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