Honest question....why don't churches teach the best way to avoid fornication is to get married?

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Fundaamental

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1) no ( I would never marry any woman who said no kissing before marriage)
2) no (may not be the best thing, but I understand it, may have no impact on your marriage)
3) no (hated the purity doctrine)
4) no
5) yes
Thanks for your honest answers.

Now I know where your coming from.
Judging by your age do you still want another relationship with a woman ?.
 

ResidentAlien

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I still have hope it will happen.
I'm glad you have hope. I believe it could happen, but I doubt it will because you're double minded. On one hand you're miserable and want a wife; on the other you sabotage yourself at every turn. Unless you can get past whatever it is that's holding you back, it'll never happen. At 70, that will be difficult.
 

Fundaamental

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Very much so. My desires have not lessened.
That Good friend😊 I'll pray for you.
But the longer it goes on you do realise you'll lose your sex drive at your age if you haven't already.
Would you still get married then
If you lost your sex drive but you fell in love.
As you know love can happen at first site just by locking eyes love can happen.
It's a soul to soul thing
I believe you've not found the right soul mate yet.
 
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Jumping in here on the 10th page, IMO, getting married to curb lust is a extremely poor reason to get married. What if your future wife learned of your reason, be it your wife or husband. That reasoning doesn’t honor God or spouse.
 

Fundaamental

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Jumping in here on the 10th page, IMO, getting married to curb lust is a extremely poor reason to get married. What if your future wife learned of your reason, be it your wife or husband. That reasoning doesn’t honor God or spouse.
I'm not going to advocate sin absolutely no way.
But in laws of the lands common law husband and wife is permitted.

Love between a man a women
befor they get married is no different to when they get married.

The marriage part really is just a certificate because in lot of marriages the partner treats there partner far worse than those who are not married.

you can have an engagement ring to get married for years.

In the church history the bride to be had to declare there relationship publicly first befor getting married and there relationship had to be witnessed by witnesses so that the church could have there relationship approved by witnesses befor marrying them.

This has since been phased out. But still practiced by some churches.


Two Christians who are saved fall in love are already married to the church.

In Corinthians the Bible teaches us if the unbelieving husband marries an unbelieving wife the unbelieving husband is sanctified and even there children are holy.
 

ResidentAlien

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Jumping in here on the 10th page, IMO, getting married to curb lust is a extremely poor reason to get married. What if your future wife learned of your reason, be it your wife or husband. That reasoning doesn’t honor God or spouse.
If that's the only reason or the main reason then I agree, it's a pretty bad reason.
 

Fundaamental

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There is no “no reaction” emoji, just waned to signify that I have seen this post above. 🙂
The point was what ever the unbelieving person thinks all feels for how ever long they have been thinking whatever.

The moment an unbelieving person becomes married to a believing person the marriage is sanctified.

Regardless of what the incentives where for getting married.
 
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The point was what ever the unbelieving person thinks all feels for how ever long they have been thinking whatever.

The moment an unbelieving person becomes married to a believing person the marriage is sanctified.

Regardless of what the incentives where for getting married.
Whoa there, marriage cancels out reason to be married, no Sir - no Ma’am (which ever applies)! You mean if you married fr money that when you and your bride walks out of the church you marriage is now blessed and your marriage sanctified? That’s a stretch for me to believe.
 

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Whoa there, marriage cancels out reason to be married, no Sir - no Ma’am (which ever applies)! You mean if you married fr money that when you and your bride walks out of the church you marriage is now blessed and your marriage sanctified? That’s a stretch for me to believe.
Maybe it won't be blessed but it's recognized by God cuz it's a covenant before Him.
 

Fundaamental

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Whoa there, marriage cancels out reason to be married, no Sir - no Ma’am (which ever applies)! You mean if you married fr money that when you and your bride walks out of the church you marriage is now blessed and your marriage sanctified? That’s a stretch for me to believe.
your talking about
Whoa there, marriage cancels out reason to be married, no Sir - no Ma’am (which ever applies)! You mean if you married fr money that when you and your bride walks out of the church you marriage is now blessed and your marriage sanctified? That’s a stretch for me to believe.
Your talking about a prenuptial agreement put in place befor a marriage. Incase the believing partner gets hoodwinked😉.

The assets should go to the children not the hudwinker the marriage is still sanctified with a prenuptial agreement in place befor hand 👌
 

Fundaamental

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I'm not going to advocate sin absolutely no way.
But in laws of the lands common law husband and wife is permitted.

Love between a man a women
befor they get married is no different to when they get married.

The marriage part really is just a certificate because in lot of marriages the partner treats there partner far worse than those who are not married.

you can have an engagement ring to get married for years.

In the church history the bride to be had to declare there relationship publicly first befor getting married and there relationship had to be witnessed by witnesses so that the church could have there relationship approved by witnesses befor marrying them.

This has since been phased out. But still practiced by some churches.


Two Christians who are saved fall in love are already married to the church.

In Corinthians the Bible teaches us if the unbelieving husband marries an unbelieving wife the unbelieving husband is sanctified and even there children are holy.
correction oops 😱.
If the unbeliever married a believer the marriage is sanctified

1 cor 7
To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
 

Dino246

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correction oops 😱.
If the unbeliever married a believer the marriage is sanctified

1 cor 7
To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
I suspect you are using the word ‘sanctified’ incorrectly. In regard to a marriage between a saved person and an unsaved person. Firstly, that’s not what the Scripture says, and secondly, the word literally means ‘set apart’, not ‘made all good’.
 

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I suspect you are using the word ‘sanctified’ incorrectly. In regard to a marriage between a saved person and an unsaved person. Firstly, that’s not what the Scripture says, and secondly, the word literally means ‘set apart’, not ‘made all good’.
the most important part is the last bit, which is how do you know the wife will not save the husband if the wife has become married to an unbeliever.
 

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'But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. " 1 Corinthians 7:2

"Not everyone can accept this word,” He replied, “but only those to whom it has been given " Matt 19:12 (Jesus on being single)

I agree with Jesus and Paul, you should too.
4 Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two
will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”


7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses order a man to give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied,
“Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart;
but it was not this way from the beginning. 9 Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife,
except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.”


10 His disciples said to Him, “If this is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry.”

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“Not everyone can accept this word,” He replied, “but only those to whom it has been given.
12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others
live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
 

Dino246

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the most important part is the last bit, which is how do you know the wife will not save the husband if the wife has become married to an unbeliever.
Are you claiming that you can write whatever you like as long as your main point is sound? That isn't going to fly with me... or with many others.

For a believer, marrying an unbeliever is foolish, period. It doesn't guarantee that the marriage will fail, or even be substantially unpleasant, but the believer's relationship with the Lord will be challenged either directly or indirectly, and the believer will miss out on many potential benefits that a believing spouse will bring. The deep relational intimacy of two believers in harmony with the Lord will be simply absent, and the believer will either seek it from others (emotionally dangerous) or be diminished by doing without.
 

Fundaamental

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Are you claiming that you can write whatever you like as long as your main point is sound? That isn't going to fly with me... or with many others.

For a believer, marrying an unbeliever is foolish, period. It doesn't guarantee that the marriage will fail, or even be substantially unpleasant, but the believer's relationship with the Lord will be challenged either directly or indirectly, and the believer will miss out on many potential benefits that a believing spouse will bring. The deep relational intimacy of two believers in harmony with the Lord will be simply absent, and the believer will either seek it from others (emotionally dangerous) or be diminished by doing without.
what washes with you or anyone else is there concern not mine. Whether you choose to accept the main point is sound based on what you thought I ment by sanctified is also your concern.

Now your sounding off from that.
I know fine well a marriage is sanctified by the sacrament of marriage.

The main point still stands that a believer can be married to an unbeliever.

What you choose to justify that they can't would go against what marriage is about, it's a promise from that day forward where the marriage may become blessed by God where both parties become saved together as one.
 

Dino246

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I know fine well a marriage is sanctified by the sacrament of marriage.
Simply put, that is not what the Scripture says. What you "know" is irrelevant in light of that.