Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....
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I think that they are ideas on how people love and show love. So far, we have learned how by the world how to love... God wants us to learn His ways. They're not so much commands as they're better ways than what we've been led to believe, and indeed hold to strongly. The Christian's obligation is to grow in Christ, whom we serve... and to grow in Christ, we learn His ways.
Not me, But God Says:
Correct, why would I (righteous) "place myself back Under" what God Says,
Is "for the UNrighteous":
"Blessed be the God and Father of our LORD Jesus Christ, Who Hath
Blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
(Ephesians 1:3)
Whew! Way Much BETTER than a curse, eh?!
Amen.
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies
between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie,
and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,
Who is Blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even
their women did change the natural use into that which is against
nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men
working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that
recompence of their error which was meet." (Romans 1:24-27)
+"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
(Titus 1:16)
Professing "christian churches"(?) need to "take heed," eh?:
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever
a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7)
Again, God Has, In "The Simplicity Of Christ," Under Grace today:"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that
loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not
commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and
if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended
in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the
fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:8-10)
+"For all the law is fulfilled In One Word, even in this;
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." (Galatians 5:14)
Or, is it fulfilled by 'some other' method?Correct, why would I (righteous) "place myself back Under" what God Says,
Is "for the UNrighteous":
"Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for
sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and
murderers of mothers, for manslayers" (1 Timothy 1:9)
+"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse..."
(Galatians 3:10)
Wouldn't the 'righteous' much rather have, from our Father, Abba, This?:"Blessed be the God and Father of our LORD Jesus Christ, Who Hath
Blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
(Ephesians 1:3)
Whew! Way Much BETTER than a curse, eh?!
Amen.
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After Jesus fulfilled the Law, He abolished it.
As to the point you are making it is covered in Romans 13:8-10: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
As to the point you are making it is covered in Romans 13:8-10: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).
This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12). True saints realize that God's law must be obeyed to receive eternal life.
Now if Jesus is our master then we should follow His steps. (1 Peter 2:21) For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: And remember that Jesus is the captain of our salvation. So let’s see our captain lead by example. (Luke 4:14-16) (v.14) And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. (v.15) And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. (v.16) And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue (the church) on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Jesus regularly attended religious services on the Sabbath day "as His custom was". He obeyed His own command to meet (holy convocation) every Sabbath day. Remember that it was Christ: (1Peter:2: 22) Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Jesus did no sin. But what is sin? (1John:3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. So every time you break (transgress) one of God’s commandments you have committed sin. And one of those commandments is to: (Ex.20:8) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. That’s why Jesus went to church on the seventh day of the week.
This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12). True saints realize that God's law must be obeyed to receive eternal life.
Now if Jesus is our master then we should follow His steps. (1 Peter 2:21) For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: And remember that Jesus is the captain of our salvation. So let’s see our captain lead by example. (Luke 4:14-16) (v.14) And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. (v.15) And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. (v.16) And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue (the church) on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Jesus regularly attended religious services on the Sabbath day "as His custom was". He obeyed His own command to meet (holy convocation) every Sabbath day. Remember that it was Christ: (1Peter:2: 22) Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Jesus did no sin. But what is sin? (1John:3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. So every time you break (transgress) one of God’s commandments you have committed sin. And one of those commandments is to: (Ex.20:8) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. That’s why Jesus went to church on the seventh day of the week.
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Jesus did not abolish any of the law (torah/marriage covenant). Had he done so He would have violated the law and He would be a sinner. Your accusation is an abomination to all of the Word.
If you refer to the destruction of the Temple and all that was involved with that service, that happened 40 years after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection and is now on pause and not done away with.
You will not find any text sayig Jesus abolished the law, but of course, you can do all things "out of context".
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Yeshua is the LORD/YHWH. Yeshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus. It means "Yahweh [the LORD] is Salvation."
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
If you refer to the destruction of the Temple and all that was involved with that service, that happened 40 years after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection and is now on pause and not done away with.
You will not find any text sayig Jesus abolished the law, but of course, you can do all things "out of context".
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Yeshua is the LORD/YHWH. Yeshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus. It means "Yahweh [the LORD] is Salvation."
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Too many seem to desire to cut out as much of the Word as they can and change the Word to mean something that it does not say. And in their error come out looking like a "bully" or perhaps just playing as "the devil's advocate". Either way, I really love how it makes me search out the scriptures to prove truth from lies and errors.
Just observing the Ten Commandments we can see YHWH/LORD has not left us wondering what LOVE is. The first five commandments are How To LOVE the LORD God. The next 5 commandments are things you will not do to your neighbor and that is how to love your neighbor. With the indwelling of the Helper/Comforter, you can keep the commandments. They are not grievous or burdensome.
Psalms 55:22 Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17)
1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1=Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
2=Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
3=Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4=Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
5=Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
6=Thou shalt not kill.
7=Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8=Thou shalt not steal.
9=Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10=Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Just observing the Ten Commandments we can see YHWH/LORD has not left us wondering what LOVE is. The first five commandments are How To LOVE the LORD God. The next 5 commandments are things you will not do to your neighbor and that is how to love your neighbor. With the indwelling of the Helper/Comforter, you can keep the commandments. They are not grievous or burdensome.
Psalms 55:22 Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17)
1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1=Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
2=Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
3=Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4=Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
5=Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
6=Thou shalt not kill.
7=Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8=Thou shalt not steal.
9=Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10=Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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And your accusation shows your IGNORANCE of the Word.
And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament; which vail is done away in Christ. (2 Cor 3:13,15)
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace (Eph 2:15)
When Christ shouted victoriously on the cross "IT IS FINISHED" that declaration included the abolishment of the Law of Moses ("the Law of Commandments"). PROOF: The veil in the temple separating the Holy of Holies from the Holy Place was supernaturally torn in two from top to bottom. That was a message to Israel that the Law of Moses (including the temple worship and the Levitical priesthood) had come to an end, and now the New Covenant in the blood of Christ was in effect.
Christians need to be perfectly clear that they are under the New Covenant, and God has abolished the Old Covenant. The book of Hebrews explains everything.
And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament; which vail is done away in Christ. (2 Cor 3:13,15)
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace (Eph 2:15)
When Christ shouted victoriously on the cross "IT IS FINISHED" that declaration included the abolishment of the Law of Moses ("the Law of Commandments"). PROOF: The veil in the temple separating the Holy of Holies from the Holy Place was supernaturally torn in two from top to bottom. That was a message to Israel that the Law of Moses (including the temple worship and the Levitical priesthood) had come to an end, and now the New Covenant in the blood of Christ was in effect.
Christians need to be perfectly clear that they are under the New Covenant, and God has abolished the Old Covenant. The book of Hebrews explains everything.
Right. The New Covenant is for the House of Israel and House of Judah. Hebrews 8:8 and Jeremiah 31:31. Nothing wrong with the gentiles of the nations who get their fire insurance by accepting Jesus and do not or will not do as Jesus commanded. Instead, it does appear to be "I can do all things "out of context"."
Christ FULFILLED all the OT sacrifices including that of the Passover Lamb. Therefore it must be taken as final -- "one sacrifice for sins for ever". Therefore Paul says that Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us. Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: (1 Cor 5:7) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.(Heb 10:12-14)
Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated. Naturally I've read and believe the same Scripture that you've quoted, but that isn't answering my question. I'll try another way. Christ observed the Lord's Passover with His disciples (Luke 22). During the Passover Christ said that He will eat the Passover again when it is fulfilled in the Kingdom. If Christ revealing Himself as the Passover Lamb necessarily ends the observance of the Lord's Passover then why does Christ intend to observe it again?