Not By Works

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The Lord wills you to save yourself?
Beloved, Aba (Father in English) says:

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

We know that to dwell in the presence of the KING of heaven, that the Law of Life IS the code of proper conduct, that we may abide in the presence of the Almighty:

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. 4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

And we know that Jesus of Nazareth IS the way, and that the way of sinners IS abominable in the sight of the Most High God (and leads to death).

10 And He saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

These words are not shared to lord it over any; but if you be strengthed by them, then the army of the King of kings and Lord of lords IS in greater standings; yea, the LORD our God IS one; and Aba speaks regarding treatment - one another betwixt:

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Those of us who share in sincerity ought not be flogged (neither physically nor verbally) for our love for the Master and fellow servants.
Again, if you have PROOF that one of His Majesty's flock deals hatefully against you, there is an established law for this also:

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.


The second wisest king (beloved elder Melech Shlomo) speaks also as Adonai (which in Hebrew is to say 'my LORD' - Lord Jesus of Nazareth)
1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; 2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; 3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; 4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; 5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. 6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. 7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly. 8 He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
9 Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; yea, every good path. 10 When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul; 11 Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee: 12 To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things; 13 Who leave the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness;

And so those of us who do not deal directly with each other, publicly speaking against each other with other members of the flock, do Hasatan (the Accuser - Satan) much pleasure; for he perceives the lack of discretion, sees the lack of wisdom, knowledge and understanding, and has reason to 'accuse' - in an attempt to condemn. Because we do not love each other as we have been explicitly commanded, making ourselves - by our own deeds - strange children.

Great IS the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only begotten Son of the true and living God.
Lord Jesus of Nazareth comes soon. Amen.

If any have doubted my love and intentions, perhaps reconsider; perhaps pray to the Messiah regarding the intentions of your fellow servant, prince yaacov of Israel. Truly, the glory is the LORD'S; yea, His al
No, I call one or more that gather in the pretense of the name of the LORD 'nuts.' And your scale of judgment is as off as its rocker so, I can't place very much weight onto it.
In what way? Provide discrete proof that your words ARE from the LORD, righteous and of goodly intent;
To say that any are 'nuts - or crazy', whether friend or enemy:

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Mother Wisdom does not abide with those who accustom their mouths to strange, coarse speech.
Perhaps speaking against ANY, including the evil one himself is not wise - according to Scripture.

Great IS the LORD.
(You are perhaps unfamiliar with many - including those of my fathers: Abraham, Isaac, and Israel; but the right to speak in such a way is not sanctioned by God for any.)
 
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are you asking me that ?, Or assuming that was what I was implying ?. I can't fathom how you came to this question from my post.

Well the lord willed salvation in to existence but that's his will not mine, the lord's will is that his church lead people to salvation.
Which is a works for the church prepared in advance.

I said the lord's works is nesacarey for salvation not mine. 😊
You literally wrote works are necessary for salvation (post 153,114) but obviously I misunderstood you. Thanks for clarifying.
 
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You literally wrote works are necessary for salvation (post 153,114) but obviously I misunderstood you. Thanks for clarifying.
The peace and love of our LORD, Jesus of Nazareth BE with you, beloved.
Sincere.
 

Magenta

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... so works really are nesacarey for salvation.

... there shouldn't be any argument of works in my opinion. 😊
It seems you have missed the crux of the matter, since works do not secure salvation. In fact,
works devoid of faith in the One True God and His only Begotten Son, Who was purposed from
before the foundation of the world to give His life as a ransom for many, the any who would by
grace through faith believe in His shed righteous blood, are seen as filthy rags, because none
are righteous or good but Him. And it is also true that there have been those who have been
greatly helped by knowing there is not some short list -nor is there a long list- of things we
must do after we have come to saving faith and been born again of the Holy Spirit of God.
They came to know this by being part of the discussions that happened right here in
this thread, and they were very grateful to discover this fact and be convinced of it by
observing the back and forths of each side as they put forth their case with Scripture.
 
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Alas -
Here again, you completely misunderstand much or all that I have shared from the LORD.
I do not take offense; from ancient times until present: We of Israel are - indeed - a peculiar people; and our manner of speech has been a great barrier (with regard to being understood by the nations).

Only know that I mean well; and know (without doubt or apprehension) that what I share is in adoration of Aba (Jesus of Nazareth) and those who both serve and seek to serve Him in spirit and truth.

You have no arguement with me, beloved.
Be Well.

Adonai IS everything.
 

Magenta

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We of Israel are - indeed - a peculiar people; and our manner of speech has been a great barrier (with regard to being understood by the nations).
Out of curiosity: do you speak to your friends and family in person as you do to us here? .:unsure:

I asked you this before but did not see a reply; if I missed it, please accept my apology.
 
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It is required that all princes of Israel (and every other authority established by Adonai to conduct His business and the business of Israel) take up discourse - matters of small and great magnitude - with official speech; proper speech IS required in all things which pertain to business of the State (of Israel) and the Business of the LORD; as for others, whatsoever He requires/permits, that they do (i hope).

And the LORD has prophesied that when He IS sanctified in me, in the sight of the Gentiles, that I will abide permanently in the land promised to my forefathers.

Truth.
Great IS the LORD.
Be Well.
 

VCO

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I caution as many as will hear


Beloved - there IS but one sin that shall not be forgiven - not in this world, nor the world to come:

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

I adjure that you begin to pray before attempted to 'heal' your brethren and sistren here; for such IS but part of our calling.
In the ranks of Israel, from ancient times until now, we have known that when one suffers such a condition ('schizophrenia'), they have an unclean spirit (demon); western medicine largely denies the presence of 'spirits', whether clean or unclean. In your zeal to serve the LORD, you do yourself a great disservice, IF you are accustomed to speaking such things without just cause.

Perhaps (please) try to consider 'how' love is exercised:

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, anThd with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Now if you have proof that one is not obeying as best as they can these two most important laws (for proof IS necessary in all courts, including the Highest Court - lest ye be charged with bearing false witness), perhaps prayer for the sickly flock member - or some other Power of God; and if you are certain that they are inhabited by a demon, perhaps gather an assembly and use the Power which Adonai (Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth) has granted us - and yes, some demons CANNOT be removed except by both fasting AND prayer.

Please consider.

The Lord BE magnified.
(why? because He alone IS worthy; all others fall short of the glory of God. But Hasatan seeks to fill our hearts (with pride) that we diminish the Glory of the LORD shared with us AND stain or remove our own garb which He has granted us - that we be found guilty/stained or without 'spiritual garb' at all:
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.)

Not sure what this is about, but if you are talking about my use of Titus 3:8-11 (HCSB), KNOW they have to push me a LONG ways before I say that is your first warning. I you are talking OSAS, we have been falsely accused of teaching you can live like the want, as long as you are faithful on Sundays. That is a genuine fib, if coming from mostly Charismatic Churches, out of ignorance of what we DO TEACH. I have been in 17 Churches since I was Born Again, that include three Community Churches, three Bible Churches, one Independent Baptists Church, a couple Evangelical Lutheran Churches, one Grace Brethren Church, one Bible Fellowship Church, two Evangelical Free Churches, and NOT ONE OF THEM taught anything like the words in read above. We did move a Lot from one small town to another, in our younger years, and sometimes it was hard to find an evangelical type of Church. A lot of Christians apparently Have a false idea about what OSAS actually means.
 

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It seems you have missed the crux of the matter, since works do not secure salvation. In fact,
works devoid of faith in the One True God and His only Begotten Son, Who was purposed from
before the foundation of the world to give His life as a ransom for many, the any who would by
grace through faith believe in His shed righteous blood, are seen as filthy rags, because none
are righteous or good but Him. And it is also true that there have been those who have been
greatly helped by knowing there is not some short list -nor is there a long list- of things we
must do after we have come to saving faith and been born again of the Holy Spirit of God.
They came to know this by being part of the discussions that happened right here in
this thread, and they were very grateful to discover this fact and be convinced of it by
observing the back and forths of each side as they put forth their case with Scripture.
Jesus works day and night with his Church to bring salvation to new converts.

So once again I will tell you works are necessary for salvation 😊
 

Fundaamental

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You literally wrote works are necessary for salvation (post 153,114) but obviously I misunderstood you. Thanks for clarifying.
Jesus works day and night with his church to bring salvation to new converts so once again I will tell you works are nesacarey for salvation😊
 
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Not sure what this is about, but if you are talking about my use of Titus 3:8-11 (HCSB), KNOW they have to push me a LONG ways before I say that is your first warning. I you are talking OSAS, we have been falsely accused of teaching you can live like the want, as long as you are faithful on Sundays. That is a genuine fib, if coming from mostly Charismatic Churches, out of ignorance of what we DO TEACH. I have been in 17 Churches since I was Born Again, that include three Community Churches, three Bible Churches, one Independent Baptists Church, a couple Evangelical Lutheran Churches, one Grace Brethren Church, one Bible Fellowship Church, two Evangelical Free Churches, and NOT ONE OF THEM taught anything like the words in read above. We did move a Lot from one small town to another, in our younger years, and sometimes it was hard to find an evangelical type of Church. A lot of Christians apparently Have a false idea about what OSAS actually means.
Please forgive -

That you received the reply regarding 'schizophrenia': how that speaking openly, that any here who profess to serve the LORD might be weighed down by such an infirmity as 'schizophrenia' is potentially quite dangerous, was a mistake.

The peace and love of our LORD, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, BE with you.
 

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Jesus works day and night with his Church to bring salvation to new converts.

So once again I will tell you works are necessary for salvation 😊
Whose works are necessary for salvation? It seems you are saying that God/Jesus' works are necessary for salvation.
If so, once again, you completely miss the point of contention which is the crux of this thread. Besides which, I doubt
any have said anything against Jesus having done work to obtain our salvation. Certainly none who say that works do
not obtain salvation. Our salvation is dependent upon the Lord, first and foremost, always and forever, unto eternity.


 

Fundaamental

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Whose works are necessary for salvation? It seems you are saying that God/Jesus' works are necessary for salvation.
If so, once again, you completely miss the point of contention which is the crux of this thread. Besides which, I doubt
any have said anything against Jesus having done work to obtain our salvation. Certainly none who say that works do
not obtain salvation. Our salvation is dependent upon the Lord, first and foremost, always and forever, unto eternity.


Like I said the works of Jesus are carried out everyday to bring salvation to new converts. Such as All the works Jesus carried out to bring salvation to people.

Which includes leading people to Christ.

Leading people to prayer.

Leading people to understand the word.

Teaching people to identity the enemy in there life making them recognise they need a saviour.

Teaching people to recognise spiritual possession and oppression.

The church it's self overcoming spiritual oppression everyday
And maintaining a church building to bring people to salvation.

Teaching people how to be saved.

Church leaders getting involved in rescuing a whole nation.

Church leaders standing up for political values.

Church leaders ensuring that vulnerable people like asylum seekers trapped in an occult get the help they need

Ministries set up in poor countries .

Once again I will say works are necessary for salvation.
 

Magenta

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Like I said the works of Jesus are carried out everyday to bring salvation to new converts. Such as All the works Jesus carried out to bring salvation to people.

Which includes leading people to Christ.

Leading people to prayer.

Leading people to understand the word.

Teaching people to identity the enemy in there life making them recognise they need a saviour.

Teaching people to recognise spiritual possession and oppression.

The church it's self overcoming spiritual oppression everyday
And maintaining a church building to bring people to salvation.

Teaching people how to be saved.

Church leaders getting involved in rescuing a whole nation.

Church leaders standing up for political values.

Church leaders ensuring that vulnerable people like asylum seekers trapped in an occult get the help they need

Ministries set up in poor countries .

Once again I will say works are necessary for salvation.
Do you really not understand that this thread was about the fact that OUR works do not obtain salvation? .:unsure::oops::unsure: