F.F. Bosworth: False Teacher or not?
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Uh huh.
At least as popular as the ever accredited cessationists 'Paul could not see well.' I thought he was healed of that after he affirmed Christ?
Acts 9:
17So Ananias went to the house, and when he arrived, he placed his hands on Saul. “Brother Saul,” he said, “the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here, has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
18At that instant, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and his sight was restored. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength. And he spent several days with the disciples in Damascus.
Doesn't say half restored or restored with slight macular degeneration that continued to degenerate.
Now spiritual weakness is well established in many churches today as well as unbelief and lack of faith. Spiritual wickedness in high places is supposed to be something Christians are aware of but not so much these days it seems.
People who have been and may continue to be attacked spiritually are the ones that are dangerous to the God hating evil spirits and their leader and it is consequential that most sitting in churches today yawn between 10 to 20 times per service (yes I made up that number but looking at your watch every 10 minutes also counts as a desire to quit the premises because flesh gives a pretty boring sermon)
At least as popular as the ever accredited cessationists 'Paul could not see well.' I thought he was healed of that after he affirmed Christ?
Acts 9:
17So Ananias went to the house, and when he arrived, he placed his hands on Saul. “Brother Saul,” he said, “the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here, has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
18At that instant, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and his sight was restored. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength. And he spent several days with the disciples in Damascus.
Doesn't say half restored or restored with slight macular degeneration that continued to degenerate.
Now spiritual weakness is well established in many churches today as well as unbelief and lack of faith. Spiritual wickedness in high places is supposed to be something Christians are aware of but not so much these days it seems.
People who have been and may continue to be attacked spiritually are the ones that are dangerous to the God hating evil spirits and their leader and it is consequential that most sitting in churches today yawn between 10 to 20 times per service (yes I made up that number but looking at your watch every 10 minutes also counts as a desire to quit the premises because flesh gives a pretty boring sermon)
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Yet this guy is Pentecostal and claims all kinds of spiritual hoop lah.
Including God speaking to him from a young age on. huh. so it's ok for him, but not others in his estimation
Could be confusing. I don't even know much about Wigglesworth and most things Pentecostal for that matter (save my own experience)
but how is someone who was not even alive when things occurred become an expert on others?
From his site:
WHERE IT ALL BEGAN
OUR STORY
Explore the journey of Roberts Liardon Ministries – the supernatural ways God spoke to Roberts at a young age all the way to adulthood. This story is full of Heaven’s revelation and divine appointments.
Including God speaking to him from a young age on. huh. so it's ok for him, but not others in his estimation
Could be confusing. I don't even know much about Wigglesworth and most things Pentecostal for that matter (save my own experience)
but how is someone who was not even alive when things occurred become an expert on others?
From his site:
WHERE IT ALL BEGAN
OUR STORY
Explore the journey of Roberts Liardon Ministries – the supernatural ways God spoke to Roberts at a young age all the way to adulthood. This story is full of Heaven’s revelation and divine appointments.
I'll try again.
These two pronouns, as well as the word angel, or messenger, prove that Paul’s “thorn” was, as he himself plainly shows, a satanic personality and not a disease. We could not use the personal pronouns he or him when speaking of ophthalmia, or any other disease, because there is no gender to ophthalmia”
You are correct he is arguing that Paul's thorn could not be a disease because it was a messenger of Satan. Correct?
There is evidence of a spirit of infirmity in scripture. Correct?
Bosworth can not say that it couldn't be an ailment if there is scripture speaking of a disabling spirit.
His argument fails.
These two pronouns, as well as the word angel, or messenger, prove that Paul’s “thorn” was, as he himself plainly shows, a satanic personality and not a disease. We could not use the personal pronouns he or him when speaking of ophthalmia, or any other disease, because there is no gender to ophthalmia”
You are correct he is arguing that Paul's thorn could not be a disease because it was a messenger of Satan. Correct?
There is evidence of a spirit of infirmity in scripture. Correct?
Bosworth can not say that it couldn't be an ailment if there is scripture speaking of a disabling spirit.
His argument fails.
Yes. Legalism, bondage, temple money changers, and a long list of people who have been hurt by these teachings. A new term has been established called PCS (Post Charasmatic Stress). Groups are popping up with all sorts of testimony and help to help people overcome and heal from such spiritual abuse.
Often reminds me of Job's friends who kept saying you must have sinned, you must be doing something wrong, have you done this or that? When in reality he did nothing but be faithful to God.
Often reminds me of Job's friends who kept saying you must have sinned, you must be doing something wrong, have you done this or that? When in reality he did nothing but be faithful to God.
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Well I don't know what the 'we' stands for in your post unless you have a split personality. Why do you debase the entire forum with your nasty and personal attacks on people you disagree with?
I would hope, because of all you say you know, that you would find responding like that to be beneath you.
Apparently not and just another response that illustrates your inability to show some ...shall we say maturity?
I would hope, because of all you say you know, that you would find responding like that to be beneath you.
Apparently not and just another response that illustrates your inability to show some ...shall we say maturity?
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I don't think we are on the same page. Groups as you say, have been around for as long as cults and other over zealous churches have been opening their doors.
In fact, Paul addressed all the errors and abuse in his letters. There is nothing new here. It has always been a battle to keep the truth as it was given and not some massaged or misused version of the gospel that is really not the gospel.
The Bible is far less hard to understand if people would just believe what is written instead of pointing out everyone who whether true or not, does not agree with their understanding. I just kind of wonder why a person will start an op when it seems they actually already have an opinion on the question they are asking.
That's fine. But that seems to sometimes become the mo of the person starting the thread. Throw a question out there and then go back and forth with responders.
With myriad backgrounds and experiences, the propensity to derail threads with quite a few or misunderstand the op to begin with and those who believe they are the master and commander of the forum (not meaning you; just giving an opinion in general) it's just we all have to answer for how we respond to others and it seems rare a person can introduce the ability to actually think about their response around here. It's more like a knee jerk defensiveness that belies the Christian testimony certain people lay claim to.
And the spiritual gifts are always contentious. They don't have to be; not really a hill to die on.
In fact, Paul addressed all the errors and abuse in his letters. There is nothing new here. It has always been a battle to keep the truth as it was given and not some massaged or misused version of the gospel that is really not the gospel.
The Bible is far less hard to understand if people would just believe what is written instead of pointing out everyone who whether true or not, does not agree with their understanding. I just kind of wonder why a person will start an op when it seems they actually already have an opinion on the question they are asking.
That's fine. But that seems to sometimes become the mo of the person starting the thread. Throw a question out there and then go back and forth with responders.
With myriad backgrounds and experiences, the propensity to derail threads with quite a few or misunderstand the op to begin with and those who believe they are the master and commander of the forum (not meaning you; just giving an opinion in general) it's just we all have to answer for how we respond to others and it seems rare a person can introduce the ability to actually think about their response around here. It's more like a knee jerk defensiveness that belies the Christian testimony certain people lay claim to.
And the spiritual gifts are always contentious. They don't have to be; not really a hill to die on.
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God has healed my seven-year major depression for more than 3 decades now, but at the depth of that disease, God allowed me to experience three kinds of chronic physical pain. Later, he gave me his peace to accept it as part of my life but kept it to humble me while I was preaching God's Word and now when I'm writing and publishing books. It is literally my "thorn in the flesh." I think we take too short a view of fulfillment of Scripture. We will all be healed permanently when Jesus returns and gives us our resurrection bodies.
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I wouldn't assume to know what page were on until I got to know your point of view better. I was sharing my thoughts about the ministries F F Bosworth was involved in.
Very true. Nothing new but truth has to be shared to combat what is really not the gospel.
I once thought the same until studying theology and why there are so many differing views. Typically they come from either good of bad Hermeneutics
or Exegetics.
( I just kind of wonder why a person will start an op when it seems they actually already have an opinion on the question they are asking.
That's fine. But that seems to sometimes become the mo of the person starting the thread. Throw a question out there and then go back and forth with responders.)
It is a study habit of mind. To test my studies or beliefs through debate. That is the only true fire way to know have you really thought through the theological belief. I take peoples comments weigh them against my studies and then test their belief to see how well it holds up. Sometimes playing devils advocate to see others perspectives.
Well I'm more laid back as an OP, I don't worry about derailment. But yes everyone operates differently and there are many Christians who do not know how to debate with maturity.
I agree. We all have to answer for our actions online or offline. That's probably the number one negative review this site receives is the environment of the BD forum.
The page I'm on isn't technically about the gifts. It is the abuse of healing ministries. Abuse of the gift of healing. That abuse falls into a newer psychological term called spiritual abuse.