problem related to praying in tongues
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Thanks. I am very familiar with the Trinitarian proof texts.
I believe the Trinity is read into the Bible, rather than coming from the Bible. People were taught that God is a Trinity, assume it's true, and then shown all the verses that "support" it. But the Bible never teaches that God is a Trinity. Jesus said his Father is "the only true God" (John 17:3), Paul said that "for us there is but one God, the Father (1 Cor 8:6). Peter said Jesus Christ was "a man approved by God" (Acts 2:22). There are many more...
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I believe the Trinity is read into the Bible, rather than coming from the Bible. People were taught that God is a Trinity, assume it's true, and then shown all the verses that "support" it. But the Bible never teaches that God is a Trinity. Jesus said his Father is "the only true God" (John 17:3), Paul said that "for us there is but one God, the Father (1 Cor 8:6). Peter said Jesus Christ was "a man approved by God" (Acts 2:22). There are many more...
But thanks for the response.
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You "see" the Trinity there because you're a Trinitarian. I see God, His Son Jesus Christ, the Messiah, and holy spirit FROM God descending on him.
No, that is not what I believe.
Where does God represent Himself as three distinct "persons"?
Yes, it would have helped a LOT if God ever even once described Himself as a Trinity.
I think the Bible is very clear on who God is, who Jesus Christ is, and what the holy spirit is. Again, people were TAUGHT that God is a Trinity, assume it's true, THEN go looking for verses that support that belief. I submit that if people had never heard of the Trinity, and started out just reading the Bible, they would not come to the conclusion that God is a Trinity.
No, that is not what I believe.
Where does God represent Himself as three distinct "persons"?
Yes, it would have helped a LOT if God ever even once described Himself as a Trinity.
Right. So then why didn't He just do that instead of leaving all the little ants on earth to confusion and debate? 
You cannot be a Christian and not believe that Jesus is God. One of the earliest teachings passed down to use from the early church. It is a central doctrine of Christianity and all the church fathers believed in the trinity. When Paul told the lame man to walk watch what happened...
11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!”
13 The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.
Acts 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15 “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them. 16 In the past, he let all nations go their own way. 17 Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy.”
When Paul and Barnabas saw they were being worshiped as gods they tore their clothes!! But Jesus accepted worship, why, because He is God!
Peter walked with Jesus on the water and began to sink. Jesus saves him and they get back in the boat and what happens?
32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
According to John in the book of Revelation, the angel that he started worshiping also refused to accept divine obeisance. The angel insisted that John stop and said, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God”
Jesus accepted worship, He claimed to be God. Titus 2:13 (NIV) declares that Jesus Christ is God, “We wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”
The Jews understood Jesus was claiming to be God, that is why the high priests sought to kill Him and told Him so.
No, one of the earliest and most fundamental doctrines of Christianity has been the trinity. Unless you believe Jesus is God you are believing heresy and putting your soul in danger.
No brother, I'm sorry, you're dead wrong on this point. My last post leaves no doubt. Jesus claimed to be God, His followers claimed He was God and worshiped Him as God. I don't know why you hold to this heresy, but you cannot claim to be a Christian and not believe in the deity of Jesus. Jesus was God. Whatever has blinded you I hope you will understand before it's too late.
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This is totally irrelevant. And it wasn't "tongues" either. It was Farsi, the language of Persia. But focus on the issue being discussed. Are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all distinct from each other, and each one is FULLY GOD? No one needs to explain this. Simply believe it or disbelieve it. So do you believe it or not?
26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.
Who is the US then? Is He talking to Himself?
Not hanging around to debate this over and over. To me and millions of others, it's plain the Trinity is biblical.
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.
Who is the US then? Is He talking to Himself?
Not hanging around to debate this over and over. To me and millions of others, it's plain the Trinity is biblical.
Where is that in the Bible?
This is in the Bible:
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
I believe that from the depths of my soul. Jesus Christ is my Lord, and I believe that God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9).
That is debatible.
Jesus Christ is certainly worthy of worship, but not as God. There is one God, the Father (1 Cor 8:6), the one Jesus himself said is "the only true God" (John 17:3).
Do not forget that in the OT the king was worshiped (1 Chr 29:20).
Yes, they were worshiping Jesus as the Son of God. They knew he was the Messiah.
He did..
This might help: https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/Titus/2/13
No, they wanted to kill Jesus because he claimed to be the Messiah, which he was. If they had thought he was claiming to be God, they would have rightfully written him off as a lunatic.
26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.
Who is the US then? Is He talking to Himself?
Not hanging around to debate this over and over. To me and millions of others, it's plain the Trinity is biblical.
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.
Who is the US then? Is He talking to Himself?
Not hanging around to debate this over and over. To me and millions of others, it's plain the Trinity is biblical.