How to love your family, when God hates the nonelects?

[JohnRH]

Again, the all is not everyone, but is all that the Father gave to Christ, otherwise, were it up to man to achieve it, then it is not of God's
mercy or grace but of man's works. If it is of God's mercy and grace, then man cannot contribute to nor have a part in acquiring it.
Both cannot be true- it must fully either be of one or the other, not both.

That's a bunch of antibiblical nonsense.

 

[7thMoon]

Again, the all is not everyone, but is all that the Father gave to Christ, otherwise, were it up to man to achieve it, then it is not of God's
mercy or grace but of man's works. If it is of God's mercy and grace, then man cannot contribute to nor have a part in acquiring it.
Both cannot be true- it must fully either be of one or the other, not both.

James the apostle believed in justification by work/labors.

 

[rogerg]

James the apostle believed in justification by work/labors.

No, he didn't. Primarily, he was speaking about Christ's works. Besides Christ's works, he was speaking about
the works a saved Christian does from salvation, but not to become saved.

 

[rogerg]

That's a bunch of antibiblical nonsense.

Guess you understand neither the gospel nor Christ. Fine with me.

 

[7thMoon]

No, he didn't. Primarily, he was speaking about Christ's works. Besides Christ's works, he was speaking about
the works a saved Christian does from salvation, but not to become saved.

I said justification by works. Any person who thinks they are safe or saved better be talking true danger.

 

[rogerg]

I said justification by works. Any person who thinks they are safe or saved better be talking true danger.

Those saved have been justified by Christ's faith, which faith included His works which brought about righteousness. No one is justified by their faith because a person's faith of itself, has no righteousness. Salvation is solely as a gift from God with no participation permitted other than to be its recipients.

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

[Phl 3:9 KJV]
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

I don't follow your "true danger" comment

 

[7thMoon]

Those saved have been justified by Christ's faith, which faith included His works which brought about righteousness. No one is justified by their faith because a person's faith of itself, has no righteousness. Salvation is solely as a gift from God with no participation permitted other than to be its recipients.

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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I don't follow your "true danger" comment

Works of the Torah are works of a command not a person. Commands don't justify but works do.

 

[Cameron143]

Works of the Torah are works of a command not a person. Commands don't justify but works do.

Can you give some examples of works that justify?

 

[Magenta]

And whom will He have mercy on?
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Romans 11:32 (KJV)

Romans 11:32

 

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[rogerg]

Works of the Torah are works of a command not a person. Commands don't justify but works do.

Only God's works justify. Did you see the verses I included in my prior post about being justified by Christ alone?
We cannot be justified by any of our works no matter the source from which the requirement originated. In fact, any works one may undertake believing they are requirements for salvation, means they remain under law but the works do not save but bring God's
wrath and judgement instead.

[Gal 3:10 KJV]
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 

[rogerg]

Romans 11:32

If someone has to do something to obtain grace and mercy, then what they will obtain is neither grace nor mercy,

 

[7thMoon]

Only God's works justify.

I don't believe this, because menkind have free will.

 

[7thMoon]

Can you give some examples of works that justify?

Works that show and improve remorse?

 

[Cameron143]

Works that show and improve remorse?

Why would those evidence faith more than any others?

 

[rogerg]

I don't believe this, because menkind have free will.

No, they don't have freewill. Freewill was lost when Adam and Eve fell in the garden of Eden. Since then, man has been spiritually
blind and dead. One only gains spiritual life and sight when they become saved and born again.

[2Co 4:3-4 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

[Eph 2:1 KJV]
1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV]
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[7thMoon]

Why would those evidence faith more than any others?

Trust/faith in God give people reasonableness and remorse.
Fear of YHWH is the beginning of reason.

 

[Cameron143]

Trust/faith in God give people reasonableness and remorse.
Fear of YHWH is the beginning of reason.

We've just come full circle. You have just stated that faith produces works. I believe that is the point most have been trying to make.

 

[Shepherd]

Shepherd said:
God tells us that for us to "Be like our Father" we must "love our enemies". Once again: If God hates the lost then He would be no better than He commands us to be. He would be a contradiction. Better give your heart to the God of the Bible. The Bible says "God is Love". Therefore, He loves the lost; ALL of the lost.

No, He doesn't. In the spiritual sense, He only loves those justified by Christ.

[Rom 9:11 KJV] 11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth..

[Rom 9:13-16 KJV]
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Matthew 5:44-48

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

No, he didn't. Primarily, he was speaking about Christ's works. Besides Christ's works, he was speaking about
the works a saved Christian does from salvation, but not to become saved.

And there we go... we agree. Saved for good works not by.