Jonathan: Name some Modern prophets please

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wow, for someone who claims to be a prophet of God you sure need corrected alot.

1. Zone proved that the word unknown is NOT in the original text. but added by men. But your gonna take someone else's side and disagree with literal proof? I guess we can see where scripture stands in your mind.
2. Just because there might be someone there that does not understand does not make it an unknown language. Not everyone who was there on pentecost spoke the languages spoken of by all the men who spoke. But it was not unknown to everyone. thus it would not be classified as an unknown language.
3. So there are 60 million? I bet there are ten times that many catholics. So are they right because they have more people? Using this as an excuse may help convince you you are right. But it will not help others believe you. It is a lame excuse and does not prove anything!
I don't need corrected by you. I know what was posted. I believe she is way more accurate than Zone on doctrine. I said that 60 million believers believe and teach what we believe. It's not 'occult' is what I said. You can visit one of the churches and see for yourself. Occult means 'hidden'. We are not hidden or secretive like a cult. Like I said you could vist and they would gladdly tell you what we believe. Zone said it was 'cult' practises. That's just not true. We don't fit a cult. We believe the Scripture more than Cessationist do.
 
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ri-i-i-i-ght.

DATES WITH DESTINY

Destiny is a word with mixed spiritual meanings. Is has eschatological significance. It is about the future. It has long been a theme of the Latter Rain cult (whose chief publishing house is called Destiny Image) which helped to birth the New Apostolic Reformation. Destiny is also an occult concept. It is described in an entry in the New Age encyclopedia The Seeker's Handbook: The Complete Guide to Spiritual Pathfinding as

From Latin, de-, "from" + sidere, "star"' something given from the stars or by a higher power, supposed to operate as the preset plan or design of an individual's life. Basically, the expression that results from the full unfolding of one's innate potential.[25]

Destiny refers to "a predetermined course of events.... It is a concept based on the belief that there is a fixed natural order to the cosmos."

Some believe that one's destiny may be ascertained by divination or proclaimed as the prophecy of a prophet or sibyl. In the belief systems of many cultures, one's destiny can only be learned about through a shaman, babalawo, saint or seer.[26]

Tied in with the esoteric ideas about destiny are the concepts of Fate and Fortune. "Fate defines events as ordered or 'inevitable.'" And Fortune is often more connected with chance.[27] Interestingly, Destiny, the Fates and Fortune were worshiped as deities.[28] At least one Bible translation of Isaiah 65:11 (NASB) uses the words Fortune and Destiny, in the sense of false gods: "But you who forsake the LORD, Who forget My holy mountain, Who set a table for Fortune, And who fill cups with mixed wine for Destiny."[29]

In this esoteric sense the concept of destiny has a very unbiblical foundation. It is more rooted in the occult idea of divination, and the idea that one can create (or "envision") their own future. This type of false teaching using mystical imagination is already wildly popular in the evangelical world. It presupposes that man can ascertain his divine destiny and actually make it happen, including by such methods as "positive thinking." In the NAR, this is related to a heresy that people can issue "decrees."[30] Dr. Adam's blog post quote (cited at the beginning of this post) seems to come right out of this false teaching.[31]

Creating one's own future has been applied corporately to churches, who have been trained in the technique of writing "mission, vision and values" statements based on envisioning their church's restructuring and transformation. Churches and entire nations must come into "alignment" with the global plan for Dominionism, often cleverly disguised in Great Commission, "missional" or "cultural renewal" language. This is why, applied corporately to the 7 Mountains, the strategy of envisioning one's destiny, especially if it means "manifest destiny," becomes a frightening prospect. According to this view "the spiritual destiny of entire groups (such as cities or nations) must be changed. In terms of this approach, the mission of the church relates to groups rather than to individuals."[32]


THE PURPOSE OF DESTINY

Another link between Dr. LaVerne Adams and the New Apostolic Reformation is her association with Dr. Mark Chironna. She describes him in the Acknowledgements of her original book as

an invaluable mentor, life coach, and friend. His brilliant style of ministry has not only challenged me to reshape my inner world but has tremendously impacted the development of my divine destiny. Because of his caring and visionary approach, I now see with clarity, a phenomenal future filled with endless possibility and abounding potential.[33] [bold added]

Chironna is listed alongside Rick Warren as a key endorser of her book, saying, "She has taken time to explain the rich heavenly meaning of destiny and brought it down to earth in practical and powerful soul-searching questions that will unlock things inside you that have been held back for a long time."[34] In this context he refers to destiny as a "quest,"[35] which is defined by The Seeker's Handbook as "the act of seeking... one's purpose.... Through questions, one comes to a sense of purpose as well as a state of enlightenment...."[36]

Mark Chironna Ministries is presenting a "Mantles, Measures and Mandates II" conference in Atlanta this coming September, in which they are going to talk about how to "profit from change" and "tap into the future" to "identify the trends of the Kingdom," which essentially means Dominionsm.[37] This prosperity message is also found in the K.E.Y.S. Kingdom Economic Yearly Summer meetings keynoted by Chironna, which is said to be patterned after the World Economic Forum. The K.E.Y.S. purpose is described ominously as:

Summits are governmental gatherings where apostolic leaders declare, decree, legislate, negotiate, set policy, plan the future, discuss issues, enter into agreements and treaties, and form alliances and coalitions, so this is not a conference, seminar or workshop. Instead, it is an intentional, strategic assembly of warriors, leaders and generals who are supernaturally taking the Kingdom of God by force and advancing it in the marketplace on earth as it is in Heaven.[38] [link added, bold in original]

Chironna has authored his own self-help destiny-themed books, including titles like Seven Secrets to Unfolding Destiny, Stepping Into Greatness, and Live Your Dream.[39] He is called a bishop, a prophet, and an apostle,[40] and he is solidly linked with

the leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation such as Heidi Baker and John Arnott,[41] Rick Joyner, Bill Hamon, Kim Clement, and finally - most significantly - Lance Wallnau,[42] who is the chief promoter of the 7 Mountains Mandate.

[43] Chironna was featured at the "Let the Eagles Gather: The International Gathering of Prophets, Apostles and Intercessors" conference in Orlando in August 2009 along with top NAR "apostles" Chuck Pierce and Cindy Jacobs.[44] Chironna must be considered important in these circles, because he is also listed as an endorser of the Frank Viola and Leonard Sweet's recently released Jesus Manifesto book.[45]

Underscoring all of the concerns voiced so far is yet another prophetic message by Dr. Chironna posted on The Elijah List, seemingly talking about the Latter Rain's concept of a New Breed, titled "The Next Decade: A New Generation of Blessings, Entrepreneurs, and Creative Expression will Emerge." In this key article Chironna says there is a "generational shift" that will be "strategically prepared, strategically postured, and strategically positioned for what wants to emerge out of the invisible into the visible relative to Kingdom expansion and enlargement." Chironna says this requires "the opening of strategic portals, gateways and places of access and transition and change" for the "new era that is dawning."[46] Of course, all of this "prophesying" about the future has to do with the concept of destiny.

Destiny appears to be an up and coming word, perhaps 'destined' to replace 'purpose' as the new mantra for the kingdom-building crowd. Destiny has a touchy-feely aspect to it that makes it personally appealing to those with lustful ambitions for power and wealth. It also appears to be yet another code-word for Dominionism.


The Truth:

"Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away." (James 4:13-14)

Herescope: Destiny-Driven Dominionism
you enjoy ramming your sources views and beliefs on others...why should we believe them, this guy was from my own country...well he started your sources following, why should I believe him, it's just a mans opinion and interpretation of the Word as he sees it, others see it differently and because of that you are an accuser of them.....shame on you!
 

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you enjoy ramming your sources views and beliefs on others...why should we believe them, this guy was from my own country...well he started your sources following, why should I believe him, it's just a mans opinion and interpretation of the Word as he sees it, others see it differently and because of that you are an accuser of them.....shame on you!
bah.
google : Kansas City Prophets...oh wait.
you already know who they are and think they're of God.

have fun NOT learning anything.
 
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ya.

we KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.
it's not about us. but you need it to be to justify your unbiblical practises.





Hi Linda:
Ok once again the brains. Using the brains:

the KJV translators ADDED the word UNKNOWN, which for some it causes confusion.
(because they don't understand what HAPPENED AT PENTECOST)

that's why it's in [brackets].

The King James Version added the word unknown before the word tongue in their translation.
The word unknown is never found before the word tongue in any of the original manuscripts.

understand Linda?

Understand that the translators of King James Version never intended to show or imply that it was a part of the original writing of Paul. They KJV translators often inserted a word that they felt would help the reader understand what the original text was saying. Because of the great task of translating one language to another (as here they were translating Greek into English) sometimes it is necessary to do this. But when they did it, they put the inserted word in italics. So it says in the text of the KJV, “…unknown tongues…” This lets the reader know that the word unknown is not part of the original manuscripts.

And in this case, this probably causes a lot of confusion.

What needs to happen here is people need to actually read the bible.

If the word “unknown” was used to say that a tongue was a real human language unknown to the person speaking the tongue, then this is a valid insertion of the word. But if we take the word “unknown” to mean a language unknown to mankind, such as an angelic langauge, then this word is wrong. The best thing to do here is read the Bible as written in the original manuscripts and interpreted properly by most modern versions, which did not insert the word 'unknown'.

Do you get it? You are supposed to understand it.

[unknown] tongues

The King James Version added the word unknown before the word tongue in their translation.
that's why it's in [brackets]
The word unknown is never found before the word tongue in any of the original manuscripts.
http://blog.guidedbytruth.com/unknowntongues.php << click here to learn the truth

Do you get it LINDA? You are supposed to understand it.

the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke.......WHY DIDN'T YOU FINISH IT LINDA?:

One of the best examples of the definition of a toungue is found in Acts 2 where the apostles began to speak in languages that they were not able to speak before. We see here that the apostles spoke specific languages that already existed.

Speaking in tongues was nothing more than the supernatural ability to speak in a real human language.

Acts 2:6-12 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" NIV
SEE ALL THOSE REAL HUMAN LANGUAGES THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND?

WE DON'T NEED THAT MIRCULOUS GIFT ANYMORE BECAUSE THE GOSPEL WENT OUT TO THE NATIONS (GENTILES) AND THEY TAUGHT EACH OTHER THEN IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGES...GET IT?



YES I SEE THE LETTERS.
do you understand that the languages are real human languages that the KJV translators added the word UNKNOWN and that it doesn't mean GIBBERING?



what did they speak Linda?
GIBBERISH? UNINTELLIGBLE UTTERANCES THAT MEAN NOTHING? and we're sposed to call it prayer language or some other thing?

OR DID THEY SPEAK THE wonderful works of God TO ALL THE MEN ASSEMBLED AT JERUSALEM, WHERE THEY HAD GATHERED FROM ALL THE NATIONS in their own real, human languges?

Acts 2:6-12 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" NIV

see them? the languages?

those passages in Acts ARE NOT ABOUT YOU LINDA.

they are about the Apostles and disciples who founded the church.

i realize that might make th christian life a little less exciting than what you pretend it is. but you're not practising real christianity.

so STOP PATRONIZING US...IT'S YOU WHO IS IN A CULT.



it is the INSANE CHARiSMATIC CHAOS stuff you're into THAT IS MOCKING GOD AND YOU ALL MAKE FUN OF WE WHO ARE FAITHFUL TO THE REAL MESSAGE

I'M JUST AS SICK OF IT AS YOU ARE. stop mocking US.



REPENT OF WHAT?
NOT FALLING ALL OVER THE PLACE SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT AND PRETENDING TO BE PROPHETS AND LYING AND SAYING GOD IS TELlING YOU THIS AND THAT EVERY DAY WRITE A BOOK REBUKE SOME STRANGE PASTOR AND JIBBERING AND CLAIMING SPIRITUAL VICTORIES OVER DEMONS AND ANGELS IN HIGH PLACES AND CITIES AND PEOPLE FROM A DISTANCE AND POWER WARFARE AND CASTING DEVILS OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT MOVES?

REPENT OF THAT LINDA?

BY THE LIVING GOD, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO.




get real Linda.
the charismatic junk you practise is bogus and stupid.
and has NOTHING to do with Jesus.

STOP PATRONIZING AND THREATENING TRUE CHRISTIANS.

GROW UP.
1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
 
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bah.
google : Kansas City Prophets...oh wait.
you already know who they are and think they're of God.

have fun NOT learning anything.
too bad google is your Bible...
 

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I don't need corrected by you. I know what was posted. I believe she is way more accurate than Zone on doctrine. I said that 60 million believers believe and teach what we believe. It's not 'occult' is what I said. You can visit one of the churches and see for yourself. Occult means 'hidden'. We are not hidden or secretive like a cult. Like I said you could vist and they would gladdly tell you what we believe. Zone said it was 'cult' practises. That's just not true. We don't fit a cult. We believe the Scripture more than Cessationist do.
mkay johnny.
you don't really, but tell yurself whatever you want.
been to those churches....seen it IN PERSON.

i know millions dig this stuff...what's that got to do with JESUS?

ANIMAL FARM MEETS THE FUNNY FARM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj4Es7RRpqg

Charismatic deception Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_MlKtbAYU&feature=related

David Wilkerson On Weird Manifestations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrpW6Xctg8Q&feature=related

Demons in Church part II
&#x202a;Demons in Church part II&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube

Kundalini in Action & Toronto Blessing
&#x202a;Kundalini in Action & Toronto Blessing&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube
 

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1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
ya...because IT WAS NEW REVELATION..THE LANGUAGE GIFTS WERE REVELATORY GIFTS...WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO GRASP???

....Paul said if you got no one there who will understand just keep it to yourself. you'll be speaking in your spirit (praying) and God will understand you: HE GAVE YOU THE MYSTERY (NEW REVELATION)

NEW REVELATION....like THIS: that Paul was getting too.

1 Corinthians 15:51
New Living Translation(©2007)
But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

English Standard Version (©2001)
Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

never before revealed to mankind....just then...through Paul.
that's what was happening after Pentecost.

not a mystery now though, is it....WHY? WE HAVE A BIBLE...a COMPLETE and MATURE compilation of all the PARTIAL knowledge and revelation THEY GOT.

here's another one: not a mystery any longer either: it meant NEW REVELATION....

Ephesians 3
The Mystery of the Gospel Revealed
1For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles&#8212; 2assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God&#8217;s grace that was given to me for you, 3how the mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have written briefly. 4When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. 6This mystery isa that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

7Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God&#8217;s grace, which was given me by the working of his power. 8To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages inb God who created all things, 10so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in him. 13So I ask you not to lose heart over what I am suffering for you, which is your glory.


1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
4When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. 6This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

see this part?:

which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.

those offices ceased when the mysteries and doctrines were canonized.
simple, right?

there's your foundation.

Ephesians 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

but....Lord, who has believed our report?
 
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I don't need corrected by you. I know what was posted. I believe she is way more accurate than Zone on doctrine.


no but you need corrected by God. Consider yourself corrected.

Zone was right on this one, it does not matter about anything else which is said. this is one topic!


I said that 60 million believers believe and teach what we believe. It's not 'occult' is what I said. You can visit one of the churches and see for yourself. Occult means 'hidden'. We are not hidden or secretive like a cult. Like I said you could vist and they would gladdly tell you what we believe. Zone said it was 'cult' practises. That's just not true. We don't fit a cult. We believe the Scripture more than Cessationist do.

I know alot of cults. And they are not hidden. I have visited one of your churches and all I saw was chaos. Thanks but no thanks. gods house is not one of chaos. it is one where people learn, fellowship and break bread!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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As of 2006[update], Pentecostals and charismatic Christians numbered at least 500 million, a quarter of the world's 2 billion Christians.[1] This means that charismatics are the second largest branch of Christianity after the Roman Catholic Church (though the 120 million Catholic Charismatics do not consider themselves separate from Roman Catholicism).[2]

seeing why we get so much flak?
the road is narrow EG.

yes it is narrow. Sad only a few will find this road :(
 
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I think you all missed how Graybeard schooled Zone. It's so obvious that zone should apologize to Loveschild. 1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." That is without the italisized.
 
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I think you all missed how Graybeard schooled Zone. It's so obvious that zone should apologize to Loveschild. 1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." That is without the italisized.
go back and read Post 28
 

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Everybody knows there are false prophets.Its very clear but to ask Linda Or Johnathan to repent is asking them to blaspme.
It is impossible for those who have been enlghtened and been partakers of the holy ghost and tasted of heavenly things to
come to be renewed again unto repentenceA false prophet does thier best to get a believer to blaspme. Same thing they
did to Jesus.when he was casting out demons.A true prophet or annonted person does not go around bragging about himself, but is doing
the will of god in the spirit of meekness.So we should be very careful about judging what we dont know.
 
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So we should be very careful about judging what we dont know. Very true.
 
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Amen Paul makes it clear the gift of tongues is not babel. If one is not there who can interpret it is not from God. In fact paul condemned tongues as being babel. If anyone did it. they were wrong.
For crying out loud....

1 Cor 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
 
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For crying out loud....

1 Cor 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
What does that have to do with what I said? I do not see where that contradicted what I said. are you off on some tangent? or just lost?
 

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If I needed prayer I would want Linda,Johnathan,4 runner,vw or consumed to pray for me since they understand
anyday. I would not want anybody that didnt understand lay hands on me and pray.
 
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What does that have to do with what I said? I do not see where that contradicted what I said. are you off on some tangent? or just lost?
No tangent, not lost.

You said:
...In fact paul condemned tongues as being babel. If anyone did it. they were wrong.

I quoted 1 Cor 14:5, which says "I would that ye all spake with tongues"

You directly contradicted Paul.

(it is possible I somehow misunderstood your post. If so, I apologize.)
 

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I think you all missed how Graybeard schooled Zone. It's so obvious that zone should apologize to Loveschild. 1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he that speaketh in an tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." That is without the italisized.
didn't.
no.
fulfilled.
 
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ya...because IT WAS NEW REVELATION..THE LANGUAGE GIFTS WERE REVELATORY GIFTS...WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO GRASP???

....Paul said if you got no one there who will understand just keep it to yourself. you'll be speaking in your spirit (praying) and God will understand you: HE GAVE YOU THE MYSTERY (NEW REVELATION)

NEW REVELATION....like THIS: that Paul was getting too.

1 Corinthians 15:51
New Living Translation(©2007)
But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

English Standard Version (©2001)
Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

never before revealed to mankind....just then...through Paul.
that's what was happening after Pentecost.

not a mystery now though, is it....WHY? WE HAVE A BIBLE...a COMPLETE and MATURE compilation of all the PARTIAL knowledge and revelation THEY GOT.

here's another one: not a mystery any longer either: it meant NEW REVELATION....

Ephesians 3
The Mystery of the Gospel Revealed
1For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles— 2assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3how the mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have written briefly. 4When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. 6This mystery isa that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

7Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God’s grace, which was given me by the working of his power. 8To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages inb God who created all things, 10so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in him. 13So I ask you not to lose heart over what I am suffering for you, which is your glory.




4When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. 6This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

see this part?:

which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.

those offices ceased when the mysteries and doctrines were canonized.
simple, right?

there's your foundation.

Ephesians 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

but....Lord, who has believed our report?
what are you going on about????...this has nothing to do with speaking in tongues......speaking in tongues is not the mystery of Christ......it says what it says...read it again