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Just a random post I'm after making, and wondering if you Catholics have anything to say on it
Just a random post I'm after making, and wondering if you Catholics have anything to say on it
. Something else worth checking out.
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Just another thought I had after our priest homily today at Mass. We can often get caught up in the pieces and things and stuff of the Church. But remember, we aren't trying to get them to join a Church, we are trying to get them to join a person. All evangelism we do should be geared with the thought in mind that we are spreading not the good news of the Church, but the good news of a person, Jesus Christ.
Interesting.
Is any name other than of a saint considered pagen? What defines a saint? Do you define Jesus as a saint?
My mother tells me my name is in the Bible (spelt different than in the Bible) . Im one of Job's daughters. Satan kills me and my family, except my father, in a dust storm. What an inspiring name! (Being Sarcastic! Also pretty sure she wasn't considered a saint)
Are Baptismal names possibly suppose to be a representation of when God changed Abram's name to Abraham and Sarai's name to Sarah? No?
Is any name other than of a saint considered pagen? What defines a saint? Do you define Jesus as a saint?
My mother tells me my name is in the Bible (spelt different than in the Bible) . Im one of Job's daughters. Satan kills me and my family, except my father, in a dust storm. What an inspiring name!
(Being Sarcastic! Also pretty sure she wasn't considered a saint)Are Baptismal names possibly suppose to be a representation of when God changed Abram's name to Abraham and Sarai's name to Sarah? No?
In order for a saint to be recognized by the catholic church, they must be first nominated by those who either knew them or who claim to have received answered prayers from their intercession. An inquiry into the life of the person is started to see if they might even be considered as a candidate.
Then, to become a saint there has to be two verified miracles attributed to the intercession of the candidate for sainthood. Waiting on and verifying two miracles is a lengthy and thorough process. There first has to be an event which cannot be explained either scientifically or medically, and then a thorough investigation is conducted to rule out any and all natural explanations for the proposed miracle. This takes a lot of time and most saints aren't declared saints by the church until many, many years after their death. Even after hundreds of years is not uncommon.
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By the way, Jesus is not a saint. He is the Son of God, so he is much greater than all the saints. The apostles are saints because of their devotion to Christ and some for their willingness to be killed for believing in him. Some of the archangels are considered saints too (Raphael, Micheal and Gabriel) although I am not sure why they are considered saints when they are obviously greater than all humans.
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Found this to be pretty cool...
NOTE: I did not make this, I found it on another forum where the poster did not cite this..
Do you have any idea when your church was founded and by whom? You may find this enlightening:
If you are of the Catholic faith, Jesus Christ founded your Church in the year A.D. 30.
If you are Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk in the Catholic Church, in 1517.
If you are Anabaptist, your religion was founded by Nicholas Storch and Thomas Munzer in Germany in 1521.
If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you belong to the Mennonites, your church was started in 1536 by Menno Simons in Switzerland.
If you are a Calvinist, Jon Calvin started your belief system in 1555 in Switzerland.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded when John Knox brought the teachings of John Calvin to Scotland in the Year 1560.
If you are Unitarian, your group developed in Europe in the 1500s.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion branched off Puritanism in the early 1600s in England.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1607.
If you are Dutch Reformed, Michaelis Jones founded your church in New York in 1628.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are an Episcopalian, your church came from England to the American colonies. It formed a separate religion founded by Samuel Seabury in 1789.
If you are a Campellite Christian Church, your religion was started by Thomas and Alexander Campbell and Barton Stone at a revival held at Bushy Creek around 1836.
If you are a Mormon (Latter-day Saints), Joseph Smith started your church in Palmyra, N.Y. in 1830.
If you are Seventh Day Adventist, your religion was founded by Ellen Whitein 1844 in Washington, New Hampshire.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year your religion was founded by Mary Baker Eddy.
If you are a Jehovah's Witness, your religion was founded by Charles Taze Russell in Pennsylvania in the 1870s.
If you are Pentecostal, your religion was started in the Topeka, Kansas in 1901 by Charles F. Parkham
If your Church of Christ, your church broke of from the Campellites in 1906.
If you are Assemblies of God your church grew out of Pentecostalism in 1914 in Hot Springs, Az.
If you are a member of Four-square Gospel, your church was started by Aimee Semple McPherson in L.A. in 1917.
If you are Calvary Chapel, Chuck Smith founded your church in Costa Mesa, Ca, 1965
If your organization is “evangelical nondenominational Christian” your group started in the 1970s by protestants.
NOTE: I did not make this, I found it on another forum where the poster did not cite this..
Do you have any idea when your church was founded and by whom? You may find this enlightening:
If you are of the Catholic faith, Jesus Christ founded your Church in the year A.D. 30.
If you are Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk in the Catholic Church, in 1517.
If you are Anabaptist, your religion was founded by Nicholas Storch and Thomas Munzer in Germany in 1521.
If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you belong to the Mennonites, your church was started in 1536 by Menno Simons in Switzerland.
If you are a Calvinist, Jon Calvin started your belief system in 1555 in Switzerland.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded when John Knox brought the teachings of John Calvin to Scotland in the Year 1560.
If you are Unitarian, your group developed in Europe in the 1500s.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion branched off Puritanism in the early 1600s in England.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1607.
If you are Dutch Reformed, Michaelis Jones founded your church in New York in 1628.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are an Episcopalian, your church came from England to the American colonies. It formed a separate religion founded by Samuel Seabury in 1789.
If you are a Campellite Christian Church, your religion was started by Thomas and Alexander Campbell and Barton Stone at a revival held at Bushy Creek around 1836.
If you are a Mormon (Latter-day Saints), Joseph Smith started your church in Palmyra, N.Y. in 1830.
If you are Seventh Day Adventist, your religion was founded by Ellen Whitein 1844 in Washington, New Hampshire.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year your religion was founded by Mary Baker Eddy.
If you are a Jehovah's Witness, your religion was founded by Charles Taze Russell in Pennsylvania in the 1870s.
If you are Pentecostal, your religion was started in the Topeka, Kansas in 1901 by Charles F. Parkham
If your Church of Christ, your church broke of from the Campellites in 1906.
If you are Assemblies of God your church grew out of Pentecostalism in 1914 in Hot Springs, Az.
If you are a member of Four-square Gospel, your church was started by Aimee Semple McPherson in L.A. in 1917.
If you are Calvary Chapel, Chuck Smith founded your church in Costa Mesa, Ca, 1965
If your organization is “evangelical nondenominational Christian” your group started in the 1970s by protestants.
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But it's not quite correct. How about this:
If you are CHRISTIAN, Jesus Christ founded your Church in the year A.D. 30.
If you are of ONE OF THE catholic faithS (including RCC, Orthodox, Anglican, and even many Lutherans), you belong to a denomination that has maintained apostolic succession since that time.
If you are Lutheran, your DENOMINATION was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk in the Catholic Church, in 1517.
If you are Anabaptist, your DENOMINATION was founded by Nicholas Storch and Thomas Munzer in Germany in 1521.
If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your DENOMINATION was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry (AMONG OTHER REASONS).
{snip, etc.}
If you are a Baptist, you owe SOME OF the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1607.
{snip, etc.}
My religion is Christian, not Lutheran, or Episcopalian or Methodist or anything else. These other things are DENOMINATIONS, not religions.
Christ did not "found" the Roman Catholic Church. He founded the Christian Church. The RCC (which is what most Catholics in the US are) has maintained Christ's church since the 3rd or 4th century.
I understand you didn't write this, but you did post it, so I am correcting it.
If you are CHRISTIAN, Jesus Christ founded your Church in the year A.D. 30.
If you are of ONE OF THE catholic faithS (including RCC, Orthodox, Anglican, and even many Lutherans), you belong to a denomination that has maintained apostolic succession since that time.
If you are Lutheran, your DENOMINATION was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk in the Catholic Church, in 1517.
If you are Anabaptist, your DENOMINATION was founded by Nicholas Storch and Thomas Munzer in Germany in 1521.
If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your DENOMINATION was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry (AMONG OTHER REASONS).
{snip, etc.}
If you are a Baptist, you owe SOME OF the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1607.
{snip, etc.}
My religion is Christian, not Lutheran, or Episcopalian or Methodist or anything else. These other things are DENOMINATIONS, not religions.
Christ did not "found" the Roman Catholic Church. He founded the Christian Church. The RCC (which is what most Catholics in the US are) has maintained Christ's church since the 3rd or 4th century.
I understand you didn't write this, but you did post it, so I am correcting it.
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@USNCorpsman76
If your post is made to imply that not being first, decreases validity, it's a double edged sword. This is precisely why I stay away from that type of argument.
Hinduism has documents dated to be much older than what the bible traces to be the beginning of time. (Not that I agree with the methodology of the dating) Thus, Hinduism is correct.
If your post is made to imply that not being first, decreases validity, it's a double edged sword. This is precisely why I stay away from that type of argument.
Hinduism has documents dated to be much older than what the bible traces to be the beginning of time. (Not that I agree with the methodology of the dating) Thus, Hinduism is correct.
The writings of the Church Father Irenaeus who wrote around 180 AD reflect a belief that Peter "founded and organised" the Church at Rome...
However, Irenaeus was not the first to write of Peter's presence in the early Roman Church. Clement of Rome wrote in a letter to the Corinthians (circa 96 AD) about the persecution of Christians in Rome as the “struggles in our time” and presented to the Corinthians its heroes, Peter and Paul.....
Given this and other evidence, many scholars agree that Peter was martyred in Rome under Nero, although some scholars argue that he may have been martyred in Palestine.
source: Wikipedia
Note: the term Pope was not used to describe the leader of the church in Rome until after 300 AD.
However, Irenaeus was not the first to write of Peter's presence in the early Roman Church. Clement of Rome wrote in a letter to the Corinthians (circa 96 AD) about the persecution of Christians in Rome as the “struggles in our time” and presented to the Corinthians its heroes, Peter and Paul.....
Given this and other evidence, many scholars agree that Peter was martyred in Rome under Nero, although some scholars argue that he may have been martyred in Palestine.
source: Wikipedia
Note: the term Pope was not used to describe the leader of the church in Rome until after 300 AD.
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Luke 22
24 A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. 28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials. 29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
24 A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. 27 For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. 28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials. 29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means 'rock'), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.
Matthew 16:18 NLT (and I did not add the parenthesis part)
Jesus repeated the question: "Simon son of John, do you love me?" "Yes, Lord," Peter said, "you know I love you." "Then take care of my sheep," Jesus said.
John 21:16
As you can see, Jesus put Peter in charge of his church. The Pope serves Jesus just as Peter served Jesus as the head of his church. When Peter was killed, the remaining apostles elected Linus as the new head to replace Peter, then when Linus died, Cletus was elected...and so forth until today, some 2000 years later we have Pope Benedict XVI.
Matthew 16:18 NLT (and I did not add the parenthesis part)
Jesus repeated the question: "Simon son of John, do you love me?" "Yes, Lord," Peter said, "you know I love you." "Then take care of my sheep," Jesus said.
John 21:16
As you can see, Jesus put Peter in charge of his church. The Pope serves Jesus just as Peter served Jesus as the head of his church. When Peter was killed, the remaining apostles elected Linus as the new head to replace Peter, then when Linus died, Cletus was elected...and so forth until today, some 2000 years later we have Pope Benedict XVI.
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The first 400 years of popes (the appointed heads of Christ's church which he established on earth himself).
St. Peter (32 AD -67 AD)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus I (217-22) Callistus and the following three popes were opposed by St. Hippolytus, antipope (217-236)
St. Urban I (222-30)
St. Pontain (230-35)
St. Anterus (235-36)
St. Fabian (236-50)
St. Cornelius (251-53) Opposed by Novatian, antipope (251)
St. Lucius I (253-54)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysius (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296) Also called Gaius
St. Marcellinus (296-304)
St. Marcellus I (308-309)
St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
St. Miltiades (311-14)
St. Sylvester I (314-35)
St. Marcus (336)
St. Julius I (337-52)
Liberius (352-66) Opposed by Felix II, antipope (355-365)
St. Damasus I (366-83) Opposed by Ursicinus, antipope (366-367)
St. Siricius (384-99)
St. Anastasius I (399-401)
Source (and the rest of the list up to Benedict XVI): http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
St. Peter (32 AD -67 AD)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus I (217-22) Callistus and the following three popes were opposed by St. Hippolytus, antipope (217-236)
St. Urban I (222-30)
St. Pontain (230-35)
St. Anterus (235-36)
St. Fabian (236-50)
St. Cornelius (251-53) Opposed by Novatian, antipope (251)
St. Lucius I (253-54)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysius (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296) Also called Gaius
St. Marcellinus (296-304)
St. Marcellus I (308-309)
St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
St. Miltiades (311-14)
St. Sylvester I (314-35)
St. Marcus (336)
St. Julius I (337-52)
Liberius (352-66) Opposed by Felix II, antipope (355-365)
St. Damasus I (366-83) Opposed by Ursicinus, antipope (366-367)
St. Siricius (384-99)
St. Anastasius I (399-401)
Source (and the rest of the list up to Benedict XVI): http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
Was wondering when someone was going to use the Petros/Petra argument. You are aware that it implies that Our Lord was speaking Greek, which He wasn't. It may have been written down in Greek, but the words were in Aramaic. In aramaic, there is one word for rock, Kepha (sometimes spelled Cepha). So it's very obvious that Peter is the Rock in this instance
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