The Importance of How to Interpret a Biblical Text

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cv5

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Love your enemies. Bless those that curse you. Do good to those that hate you. Pray for those who persecute and despitefully use you.

I imagine if they fit into any of the above categories, the answer is yes.
I would add.....preach earnestly that the end-times are at the very door. This is the matter of today. I doubt you can, will or have.
 

cv5

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I did not expect baloney from you. No one has made the KJB an idol (a silly accusation thrown at people who will not bow to the idols of corrupt bibles). However it is the Word of God which means we are to deal with it as the Word of God..
The KJV glorifies Christ more correctly and accurately than any other translation. That much is a fact.
 

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it's too bad this was not in a real church setting, when someone interrupts the Preacher, and the Preacher Rebukes them and then the person is kicked out.

where is the love for them, pray for them, in that scenario, but afterwards when in Prayer time, not in the Moment?
but before then, you are Rebuking and physically removing them.

so, i see all things relating to God should be done the same way.
Do you imagine yourself to be the Pastor here?
 

cv5

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Or more likely your opinion based on your bias.
"Or more likely your opinion based on your knowledge and experience."

Fixed it for you....
 
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That is strange because Jesus spoke largely in Greek even in teaching about the law. He never once made this claim. Greek never prevented Him from teaching.
it's a myth that He spoke that much in Greek. They spoke Aramaic.

Look at the Gospels of Matthew and Mark with words like Eli Eli llama sabachthani and talita [little girl]
That is Aramaic that the Greek had no words for or meaning for.
so, they had no choice but leave it in the Original Language.
so, while upon the Cross DYING, Jesus, is speaking Eli Eli llama sabachthani, ARAMAIC.
the way scholars put it, He spoke Greek.
but we have PROOF it was Aramaic.

btw, Aramaic, is like short hand Hebrew.

England uses proper English, but us Americans use a Slang Version.
 
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Do you imagine yourself to be the Pastor here?
NO!

This is a sounding board for me.

But, it took me awhile to figure out why do i always find these people twisting the Word of God, or doing things ungodly?

few weeks ago, i visited a Church that my good friend attends.
at the ending of the Service, the Pastor said, we will have a VOTE afterwards so ALL TITHE PAYERS, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, STAY TO VOTE, the REST of YOU, you need to go home.

i looked around, about 20 people, who i found out later attends faithfully, but are struggling to meet their needs and cannot always pay their TITHE [WHICH IS NOT EVEN A COMMAND TO PAY TITHES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT], got up and left and was not allowed to Vote.

here i sit, looking at one of the Most Demonic Displays in this particular Church.

I got up and addressed the Pastor as a False Teacher and Wolf in Sheep's Clothing!

God puts me in places and it is HIS WILL for me to call it out!

so, whether in a Church, a gathering, or a website, I know my Role in God.
 

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Sure. He is God. He is able to discern the hearts of men. He is also omniscient. So He knows who will come to repentance and who will not.
The fact is, humans may make functional judgments and should, but are unqualified to make judgment on eternal matters. And Jesus plainly taught what our conduct should be. It's just an excuse to exonerate sinful behavior.
 
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Sure. He is God. He is able to discern the hearts of men. He is also omniscient. So He knows who will come to repentance and who will not.
The fact is, humans may make functional judgments and should, but are unqualified to make judgment on eternal matters. And Jesus plainly taught what our conduct should be. It's just an excuse to exonerate sinful behavior.
Telling someone they are Wrong, when in fact, they are wrong, is not Judging them.
if you see a bird that waddles near the water, swims, dives under the water, and looks majestic while upon the water and it quacks...
Are you judging by saying, LOOK, there's a DUCK?
 

Nehemiah6

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The KJV glorifies Christ more correctly and accurately than any other translation. That much is a fact.
Agreed. The problem is that the OP unnecessarily brought bible translations into the picture (so we went off on a tangent). If one made translations an issue, one could get bogged down in 20 translations and fail to actually deal with a particular passage. Not only that this could become a huge bone of contention. Furthermore, Bible study does NOT need to be made complicated (as presented in the OP).
 

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Telling someone they are Wrong, when in fact, they are wrong, is not Judging them.
if you see a bird that waddles near the water, swims, dives under the water, and looks majestic while upon the water and it quacks...
Are you judging by saying, LOOK, there's a DUCK?
The problem isn't in correcting error, but the manner in which it is done.
 

cv5

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The problem isn't in correcting error, but the manner in which it is done.
Tell that to JTB.

That being said, I would then ask you: should they have taken urgent heed to what he so stridently declared?
 
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The problem isn't in correcting error, but the manner in which it is done.
let's use Fundi, for example.
he was called out in every thread for dismissing the True Word of God.
he claimed Speaking in Tongues is what Saves you.
he claimed the Bible is outdated and Science should be viewed as the correct authority on Gender Issues.
he claimed it was the FATHER, even though the Bible specifically states the Holy Spirit, gives the Utterance to Speaking in Tongues.
he promotes Mormon Videos.
he DENIES the pre-incarnation of Jesus Christ!
he DENIES that it was the WORD in Exodus 3 and 6 that gave names to Himself like Elohim, I AM TO BE, LORD, MOST HIGH GOD, YHWH, Yahweh!
and this is the SHORT LIST and there's literally another 20+ examples i can give.

so, there's a WHOLE PACKAGE of examples here of what he is doing.


how many times do you say, no no no no no no no before saying, You're a LIAR, a DECEIVER, FALSE TEACHER, and you need to yank your head out and GET RIGHT with GOD?

if i followed your approach, he would still be the same ole person until he dies.

I believe, the effort should be made to stop it now so he can be Saved.
 

Dino246

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The KJV glorifies Christ more correctly and accurately than any other translation. That much is a fact.
If many of the “Christ-glorifying” words don’t exist in the original text, the translation cannot be “more accurate”. ;)
 

Cameron143

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let's use Fundi, for example.
he was called out in every thread for dismissing the True Word of God.
he claimed Speaking in Tongues is what Saves you.
he claimed the Bible is outdated and Science should be viewed as the correct authority on Gender Issues.
he claimed it was the FATHER, even though the Bible specifically states the Holy Spirit, gives the Utterance to Speaking in Tongues.
he promotes Mormon Videos.
he DENIES the pre-incarnation of Jesus Christ!
he DENIES that it was the WORD in Exodus 3 and 6 that gave names to Himself like Elohim, I AM TO BE, LORD, MOST HIGH GOD, YHWH, Yahweh!
and this is the SHORT LIST and there's literally another 20+ examples i can give.

so, there's a WHOLE PACKAGE of examples here of what he is doing.


how many times do you say, no no no no no no no before saying, You're a LIAR, a DECEIVER, FALSE TEACHER, and you need to yank your head out and GET RIGHT with GOD?

if i followed your approach, he would still be the same ole person until he dies.

I believe, the effort should be made to stop it now so he can be Saved.
Your motives seems pure enough but your methods are flawed. You don't overcome evil with evil, but with good. Because of the way you have chosen to proceed, you have lost your ability to influence Fundi. So no matter how much you know, Fundi will not receive it from you. In the words of Sir Topham Hatt...you are not a useful engine.
The wisdom that comes from God is first pure, then peaceable, etc. If your words don't promote peace, your wisdom will not be perceived as coming from God.
 

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it's a myth that He spoke that much in Greek. They spoke Aramaic.

Look at the Gospels of Matthew and Mark with words like Eli Eli llama sabachthani and talita [little girl]
That is Aramaic that the Greek had no words for or meaning for.
so, they had no choice but leave it in the Original Language.
so, while upon the Cross DYING, Jesus, is speaking Eli Eli llama sabachthani, ARAMAIC.
the way scholars put it, He spoke Greek.
but we have PROOF it was Aramaic.

btw, Aramaic, is like short hand Hebrew.

England uses proper English, but us Americans use a Slang Version.
Only minimal instances was He translated as speaking Aramaic. The majority of his audience spoke Greek. In fact, it was perfect timing in the advancement of language.

“The Roman Empire had adopted the Etruscan-modified Greek alphabet and embraced Koine Greek as a common language.

They also adopted the use of papyrus which allowed the gospel to be communicated with a shared language and letters.

The Greeks added vowels to make their twenty-seven-letter version of the alphabet, and for the first time, differences between words like sad, said, and sod were clearly understood.” — Person of Interest J. Warner Wallace