THE SIX DAYS OF CREATION; LITERAL?

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disciple_tom

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The Six Days of Creation
Thomas Tvedten



In this essay the notion of whether the six days of creation are to be taken literally or are symbolic of time periods other than a twenty-four hour day will be considered. The reason this is an important topic is because there are a large number of people who want to combine the big-bang theory, evolution, and the Holy Bible. Those that subscribe to this theory are referring to “the day-age theory.” Turning the six twenty-four hour long individual days of creation into longer periods of time (such as millions of years) allows for the big-bang theory to squirm its way into the Bible, and for evolution to do so also. According to evolutionists millions of years are required for species to evolve.
One claim that those who subscribe to the day-age theory make is that since the sun had not been created yet solar days of twenty-four hours had not been established yet either. Biblical evidence that the sun had not been created yet on the first and second days is given in the Holy Bible: “And the evening and the morning were the third day. And God said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and for years: and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from darkness: and God saw that it was good” (italics added, Geneses 1:13-18). The sun was therefore created on the third day.
If you read further however, it states “and the evening and the morning were the fourth day” (Geneses 1:19). This indicates that the fourth day had arrived after the creation of the sun, therefore indicating that the third day (and the fourth day for that matter) was a solar day; they consisted of twenty-four hours. God is the most logical omnipotent being in existence. Why would God refer to the third and fourth days as twenty-four hour periods and not refer to the first and second day in the same manner? To do so would be inconsistent. God is consistent throughout the entire Bible. Our heavenly Father is always consistent.
The Bible directly states in Genesis 1:20-23 that, “And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the Earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day” (italics added). It is obvious then, that these creatures did not come about through the process of millions of years but in a single day. So if we debunk the day-age theory then the theory of evolution falls by the wayside.
The Bible is to be interpreted literally unless it specifies that the story being told is a parable or the verse is obviously an analogy. This is a conclusion that must be held because if it is not held the entire Bible falls apart. For example, if the days of creation are symbolic then the death of the Messiah on the cross could very well be symbolic too. No true Disciple of Christ would doubt the truth of Christ’s sacrifice for our sins, and therefore no true Disciple should doubt the literal translation of any other part of the Holy Bible either.
There is only one exception to this rule and that is when the statement is obviously a parable or a symbolic statement for example, in Matthew 5:30 Jesus states “And if thy right hand offend the, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that the whole body should be cast into hell.” This is obviously an analogy because it is the soul and the brain that causes one to use his or her right hand to sin. We cannot cut our soul out, and if one cuts his or her brain out the person will be dead. The ten commandments in Exodus 20:13 specify “thou shalt not kill.” It is obvious then, that one shalt not kill his or herself either. All true believers in God know that God does not contradict himself, therefore Matthew 5:30 is obviously an analogy telling us to rid our lives of sin and all of those things that tempt us to sin. Except for these obvious analogies and stated parables the Bible must be taken literally. The Bible was written simply and for the common person to understand; it was not written for rocket scientists or for only a few elite people to understand. It is God’s direct communication to each of us for application to our lives. It is not meant for us to abstract upon it, add to it, or take away from it. In fact the Bible gives us a stern warning against doing so in Revelation 22:19, “and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
In summary, the Bible is meant to be interpreted literally unless the verse is a stated parable or obvious analogy and this includes the six days of creation. A malignancy which is overtaking the Lord’s children is the notion that “science” is taught in school and “stories” are taught at church. Once demonic forces plant this seed in children’s minds they begin to doubt the legitimacy of the Bible as God’s inspired word. This leads to children doubting the truth that Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary, was crucified on Calvary’s cross, died for our sins so that we all can be with the Holy Father one day, and that Jesus ascended into Heaven. It is not only important to stress a literal interpretation and understanding of the Bible to adults but to offer children the truth through interactive exhibits such as the one in Winston Oregon.
 

Dude653

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I believe it is literaly 6 days
 
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R3V07UTI0N

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They are literal 6 days
 
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Lamont_Cranston

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disciple_tom From what vantage point would we measure the six day period from? Gravitational time dilation causes time to pass at differing rates depending upon the localized effects of gravity. For example two atomic clocks in perfect synchronization when taken to different altitudes will desync because time is passing at slightly different rates in the location of each clock. Arguing over whether creation was completed in six literal 24 hour days seems kind of irrelevant when we live in a universe where it has been demonstrated that time does not pass at a uniform rate.

Given how little we know about the nature of time and space the creation account in Genesis and the Big Bang may be in complete agreement. In fact the men who discovered the background radiation of the universe which led to the big bang theory referred to it as the "fingerprints of God". The apparent contradiction could arise solely from our own ignorance and biased interpretation of minimal evidence.

Evolution is an entirely different matter. Macro-evolution is implausible and has no hard evidence to support it regardless of what religious beliefs you have. It's an exceedingly soft science.
 
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The_boy

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disciple_tom From what vantage point would we measure the six day period from? Gravitational time dilation causes time to pass at differing rates depending upon the localized effects of gravity. For example two atomic clocks in perfect synchronization when taken to different altitudes will desync because time is passing at slightly different rates in the location of each clock. Arguing over whether creation was completed in six literal 24 hour days seems kind of irrelevant when we live in a universe where it has been demonstrated that time does not pass at a uniform rate.

Given how little we know about the nature of time and space the creation account in Genesis and the Big Bang may be in complete agreement. In fact the men who discovered the background radiation of the universe which led to the big bang theory referred to it as the "fingerprints of God". The apparent contradiction could arise solely from our own ignorance and biased interpretation of minimal evidence.

Evolution is an entirely different matter. Macro-evolution is implausible and has no hard evidence to support it regardless of what religious beliefs you have. It's an exceedingly soft science.
The clock has nothing to do with it as we aren't using a clock as a reference. "And then is was evening and then it was morning." God was using sunrise and sunset not a clock and as far as gravity effecting how time passes you might want to rethink exactly how that happens. Gravity is not affecting TIME but rather the object we use to TELL time as WE perceive it. BUT just because we perceive it one way does not mean it is actually so. I have felt like I was doing something for HOURS when in fact only 45 minutes had passed.
 
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dmdave17

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This debate is endless. To doubt the biblical account of creation is to put limits on the power of God. "Well, it couldn't have happened that way." Or one I remember from recently, "I'd like to see Him make the grand canyon in six days." (paraphrase) The point is, God can do anything! In Jeremiah 32, verse 27, He said, “I am the Lord, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?" It was a rhetorical question, folks. The overwhelming answer is 'NO'.
 
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disciple_tom

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Thanks for your thoughts everyone!
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Disciple Tom said:
there are a large number of people who want to combine the big-bang theory, evolution, and the Holy Bible. Those that subscribe to this theory are referring to “the day-age theory.” Turning the six twenty-four hour long individual days of creation into longer periods of time (such as millions of years) allows for the big-bang theory to squirm its way into the Bible, and for evolution to do so also.
Well, the "day-age" theory, is one way of accepting both evolution and Christianity, but it isn't the only one. And I agree with you that the "day-age" theory is problematic. Rather than letting God's Word speak for itself, they try to twist God's Word to fit into science. I personally don't think that's what God intended.

The other option is to believe that entire first chapter of Genesis (or maybe more) was never intended to be taken literally, but is a song. The phrases "and it was evening, and it was morning, the ___ day" are the refrain of the song, and each day is a verse. In this way, there is no need to twist it to get some other meaning. It stands alone as a song, not a biology textbook. Read it for its literary beauty, for its revelation of the Glory of God, and don't try to put science in there at all. Science tells us "when" and "where," the Bible tells us "who" and "why". No need to try to mix the two, since they are answering different questions.

The Bible is to be interpreted literally unless it specifies that the story being told is a parable or the verse is obviously an analogy. {snip} There is only one exception to this rule and that is when the statement is obviously a parable or a symbolic statement
Personally, I think twisting the interpretation of Matthew as you did into analogy is more of a stretch than making Genesis an analogy. To me, it is very obvious that Genesis is a collection of stories, not literal but mythical. God wrote them (or more accurately, God inspired men and women to write them, but the source is God), absolutely, but God never intended them to be taken literally. It is very obvious to me, as obvious as, "I am the vine and you are the branches" is clearly intended not to be taken literally. Genesis reads like a story, or more accurately a collection of stories that don't always mesh with each other. It does not read like
a biology textbook. To take it as one is, in my opinion, to misinterpret it, just as much as you think I'm misinterpreting it by taking it figuratively. That's not what God meant us to do, and we're totally missing the point, and showing a lack of faith in God, to force the text to do something it just doesn't do.

This debate is endless. To doubt the biblical account of creation is to put limits on the power of God. "Well, it couldn't have happened that way." Or one I remember from recently, "I'd like to see Him make the grand canyon in six days." (paraphrase) The point is, God can do anything! In Jeremiah 32, verse 27, He said, “I am the Lord, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?" It was a rhetorical question, folks. The overwhelming answer is 'NO'.
Oh, I absolutely believe God COULD have created the entire universe in 6 days. He coulda done it in 1 if he wanted. But he didn't. To doubt evolution is to call God a liar, because the evidence of evolution is clear in the fossil records of our earth. If God created the earth in 6 literal days, and then planted evidence to indicate that evolution was the correct theory -- consistent, irrefutable evidence, by the way, which a majority of Christians now accept -- then God is a liar. Personally, I would rather read Genesis as the myth God intended, and understand evolution as the way by which God created and still creates everything. That way, I am neither limiting God nor God's ability to love.

Also, just a side statement, I have heard many Christians say that evolution is false because monkeys still exist, and if we came from monkeys then why do monkeys still exist? It makes me sad that so many Christians are so vehemently against the theory of evolution, but never bother to learn what the theory actually states. The theory of evolution does not say -- nor did it ever say -- that humans descend from monkeys. There is no missing link. There is no missing fossil record. There is no fossil evidence of a global flood that destroyed all life on the planet for months. These are lies, and I'm not sure who started them, but any Christian who believes them, rather than finding out the truth for themselves, is easily misled, and I worry for his or her soul, being misled by Satan himself.

If I doubt or disagree with something, I find out everything I can about that thing, so that I can either reject it in sound knowledge, or maybe change my mind about it. But to argue against evolution without even knowing what it teaches does nothing but make the person look stupid, and indicates a lack in faith that could be shaken by studying any topic. And don't say, "I heard that this is what it teaches." Don't take someone else's word for it, find out for yourself.
 
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disciple_tom

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In 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 we read, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church, for Adam was formed first, then Eve."This command of God is not hard to understand. But some want to ignore it and do what seems right in their own eyes.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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In 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 we read, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church, for Adam was formed first, then Eve."This command of God is not hard to understand. But some want to ignore it and do what seems right in their own eyes.
So let me get this straight. Women in your church aren't even allowed to pray out loud? To make announcements during the announcement time?

Clearly, that is NOT what Paul meant when he said that. Aren't you the one who first brought up that if something is obviously not to be taken literally, it shouldn't be? Or did you mean, "If I personally like the literal interpretation, then that is the correct one, but if the literal interpretation makes me feel uncomfortable, then it must not be right."

Hmmm.
 
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CharlieD

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Interestingly enough, The first part of Genesis (I don't actually remember how far into the book it lasts) is believed to be a poem. That isn't to say whether or not it should be taken literally or figuratively, but many scholars believe that it bears the likeness of ancient poetry. That's why god appears to create man twice (once in Genesis 1:27 and the second time in Genesis 2:7). I also find it strange that Genesis claims that the Earth was created before the Sun instead of the scientifically agreed upon scenario which says the opposite happened. Is it possible that the "chronological order" of the creation story could be a metaphor for something else?
 
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jimmydiggs

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I also find it strange that Genesis claims that the Earth was created before the Sun instead of the scientifically agreed upon scenario which says the opposite happened. Is it possible that the "chronological order" of the creation story could be a metaphor for something else?
Scientific Naturalism (what you're appealing to whether you relaize it or not) would also tell you that man does not have a soul/spirit. It would also say that resurrection, miracles, etc, are all impossible. Thus, we must conclude if being consistant, that the resurrection account is just an allegory.

Have fun trying to reconcile scriptural eschatology with Scientific Naturalism.

http://bylogos.blogspot.com/2011/04/cosmology-and-eschatology.html <--- click
 
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syborg

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Literal. . but who cares really? The point is God spoke and it was. . this is the creation story. .a telling of how we all came to be and how everything we see, hear, touch, tate and smell came into being. . the timing is NOT important. . not really. . however i DO BELIEVE it is a literal 6 days.. why does anyone doubt God could do it in 6 nano seconds let alone 6 days??
 
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jimmydiggs

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why does anyone doubt God could do it in 6 nano seconds let alone 6 days??
When the devil attacks God's word, people will drop like flies instead of standing and defending.
 
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CharlieD

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Thus, we must conclude if being consistant, that the resurrection account is just an allegory.
It's definitely possible. The only account of the resurrection outside of the bible is that of Josephus, and the authenticity of his account is hazy at best. There could be any number of explanations for the lack of evidence for the self-proclaimed most important event in human history, but I digress. The six day creation story seems to be more of a symbolic account than an actual account. After all, it was passed down orally through many generations. If you'll notice, the creation story is surprisingly humanocentric. The first thing that is created is the heavens and the earth (As so gracefully worded in the ever-famous Genesis 1:1). Heaven and earth are the basic building blocks by which complex life may arise; the template for a Creator's masterpiece. Every day following that, the creation gets more and more complex. On the second day, the "firmament" was divided (there are several theories as to what this could mean, but none are so sure. It seems that the ancients believed that the sky was made of water. Partially right, might I add, as water vapor makes clouds). Then there was vegetation, and then celestial bodies, sea and sky animals, and then land animals with humans. Each day, the creation becomes more and more significant to man. This could mean that the Genesis story does nothing more than explain that the Earth has the ideal conditions to support intelligent life.
 
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Laodicea

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Day 1 creation - Day 4 Filled that creation

Day 2 creation - Day 5 Filled that creation

Day 3 creation - Day 6 Filled that creation

Day 7 Sabbath- Memorial of creation
 
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Laodicea

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We get a day from the earth spinning on it's axis, we get a month from the cycle of the moon, we get a year from the earth revolving around the sun but, we get a week from creation.