In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

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NightTwister

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But then again it WAS a thrilling pursuit, with an unassessably valuable payoff pursuant to all of the foregoing sweat equity.

So sad to hear of your failures in both the seeking and the acquiring buddy. Here's hoping that in terms of scholarship, something will eventually just sort of pan out in your favor or fall into your lap.
Weird response.
 

cv5

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Believe me......I have done my homework on these matters lol.
 

hornetguy

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Believe me......I have done my homework on these matters lol.
I'm certain.... just bustin your chops... I would wager that just above 0% of us lesser folks had a clue what you were talking about.
My education is incomplete.... :ROFL:
 

selahsays

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There is ample evidence, despite the attempts of "scientists" to cover it up, that dinosaurs and men lived contemporaneously.

If you have about 1 hour and 20 minutes to spare, then here is a good documentary on that topic:

I do have the time today, actually. I’m housecleaning—dusting and whatnot. Thanks! :)
 

cv5

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There are NO reliable methods to know the age of the Earth or Universe using science.

I saw an article yrs ago that definitively proved the Earth cannot be more than 10,000 years old, using over 50 proofs. Things like silt build up from the Mississippi River, the moon actually moving a few inches further away every decade, and many other natural processes. I'll try and find it.

But we have no idea the rate of radioactive decay back then. It could have been many times greater than today. And speaking of scientific methods that are THOUGHT to be constant, the speed of light is almost certainly slowing down. It's surprising how few times the speed of light has actually been measured.

So trying to date the Universe by how fast the light of a star travels is useless. Light was likely multiple times faster millennia ago.


But we can actually toss all that out in believing a young Earth.

Do you think Adam was created as an infant? or was he much more likely created as full grown man?

The same could apply to the Earth. God could have created the Earth with a "built in" age to it.

Personally, I'm going to believe Scripture. And the Word says 6 days. That is good enough for me
There is certain reason to believe that fossil PETRIFICATION can be (examples have been witnessed today as well....see videos) created near-instantaneously in a high-intensity electromagnetic field environment. Perhaps even rapid species changes. Recall that the Babel disaster resulted in language variations. This can also be a result of electromagnetic events. Is God using these types of processes to accomplish His will? Could be.

Here is a little background info (disclaimer: I am not advocating for nor do I agree with everything declared here!).

Never, EVER put your faith is standard model science. Only the truly insane believe that magnetism and gravity are mediated by particles. Ridiculous. Physics and cosmologists today are a "looking for the magic particles" cult.



 

cv5

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But we have no idea the rate of radioactive decay back then. It could have been many times greater than today. And speaking of scientific methods that are THOUGHT to be constant, the speed of light is almost certainly slowing down. It's surprising how few times the speed of light has actually been measured.

So trying to date the Universe by how fast the light of a star travels is useless. Light was likely multiple times faster millennia ago.
Yup. The ZPE field was undoubtedly much "less dense" early on. Concordantly, the so-called "cosmological constants" (which are not in any way constant) were vastly different, as were atomic decay rates (which were far far more rapid). Likewise the "speed of light" (which is actually a field perturbation - coaxial circuit phenomenon) was orders of magnitude more rapid.

Things have changed SUPER dramatically. In the biosphere/environment, geologically, energetically......everything. I mean human life span reduction plots themselves are spooky because of how nicely they represent a concise mathematic function.
 
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I am one who see's things in order, events in Revelations are seperate. Timing of the angels being thrown down happens during Last Trumpet. I like the wording Satan knows his time is short. Just not one to give up
Satan, deceived Eve, from Word Go.
So, he was already BOOTED from Heaven.

then we see more Fallen involved in Chapters 6, 12, Deuteronomy 32, Psalms, etc.
even Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah chime in about Satan.

So, even before Adam was Created, Satan, was already BANNED from rejoining Heaven.

even in Kings and Chronicles we see God, on His Throne, before ALL of Heaven good/bad, and God using the Fallen to fulfill His Purposes.

So, this Stage was set before Adam became.


I can agree that Revelation tells of the final time Satan will ever be allowed back.
but like the Woman with the 12 stars/moon/sheaves, and the Nation of Israel and the baring of a Son, they have dual connections of separate Scriptures.


This is the point, that many will frown upon on, but i go to a reference, that i believe has more Truth than it does not.
i turn to the Oral Traditions of Enoch.

This is what the Ancient Hebrews BELIEVE happened. Satan, was booted like throwing a melon like a baseball at trillion miles per hour and slamming the Adversary to the Ground. and they BELIEVE, this War took place because God wanted to Create Human's.

And the key attacks from the Fallen and Booted were the Garden, Nephilim, Tower of Babel, where God fulfilled:

8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the "sons of God."
9 But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

It's really good to know how the Ancient Hebrews believed, because God, was telling them what to believe. And king David, Joshua, Jesus, Peter, Paul, Jude, and John all quote the Oral Tradition throughout the New Testament.
 

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no thats not what I said or ment

He created the foundations befor the earth
The foundations were on day 3: "Let the dry land appear"
Then you are saying that Eve was not the first woman created. Correct?
I'm not sure why you think I believe that. I never said or implied the existence of women before Eve.
 

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And don't forget to factor in a far lesser ZPE field strength early on, with a vastly higher "speed of light" more properly stated as the rate of induction through the aether.
Idk, might a dose of Metamucil help to remedy this sensation?
 

cv5

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Satan, deceived Eve, from Word Go.
So, he was already BOOTED from Heaven.
See Job ch 1 & 2. Not only was Satan not "booted" from Heaven he was summoned/invited to a heavenly council.

That account and the interaction with Job are some of the most remarkable passages in all of the Bible. The takeaway is that we are all being observed by the Angels as God's plan of salvation works itself through to completion.
 

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So it is your belief that Adam and Eve had other children that spread out into the world, and had families, etc, all before Cain killed his brother?
Correct. Adam had other sons and daughters besides Cain and Abel (Gen 5:4).

"Male and female" created on the 6th day, were told to fill and subdue the earth/sea and all the creatures.
Adam created, then placed in the garden. "Some" time goes by, God sees he needs a mate, creates Eve....
Correct

So, either the creation of "male and female" on the 6th day was not the story of Adam and his/Eve's descendants, and it was telling us how "mankind" filled the earth before Adam and Eve were banished from the garden....
Or, the 6th day was a really long day, more than the 24 hours that the "evening and morning" suggest.
This is a false dichotomy. You seem to think these are the only two possibilities because you assume God took more than 24 hours to recognize Adam's loneliness and create Eve.

God created Adam and Eve on the sixth day. Adam and Eve had Cain. Adam and Eve had Abel. Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters. Cain killed Abel. Cain was afraid his family would kill him for murdering Abel.
 

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We cannot trust this world's 'scientist'. They have an agenda. Pray and trust God.
 

hornetguy

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I'm not sure why you think I believe that. I never said or implied the existence of women before Eve.
You definitely implied it, if you believe the days of creation were true 24 hour days.... evening and morning....
Male and female were created on the 6th day....
You say (and Genesis 2 says) Adam was created, then placed in the garden some time later.....
Eve was created out of Adam in the garden....
Who was the female created on the 6th day?
 

hornetguy

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Correct. Adam had other sons and daughters besides Cain and Abel (Gen 5:4).


Correct


This is a false dichotomy. You seem to think these are the only two possibilities because you assume God took more than 24 hours to recognize Adam's loneliness and create Eve.

God created Adam and Eve on the sixth day. Adam and Eve had Cain. Adam and Eve had Abel. Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters. Cain killed Abel. Cain was afraid his family would kill him for murdering Abel.
Except the timeline does not match. You left out God placing the man in the garden.... and the woman was created in the garden....
 

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You definitely implied it, if you believe the days of creation were true 24 hour days.... evening and morning....
Male and female were created on the 6th day....
You say (and Genesis 2 says) Adam was created, then placed in the garden some time later.....
Eve was created out of Adam in the garden....
Who was the female created on the 6th day?
Except the timeline does not match. You left out God placing the man in the garden.... and the woman was created in the garden....
You suggest a timeline discrepancy because you assume there were more than 24 hours between the creation of Adam and the creation of Eve.
 
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See Job ch 1 & 2. Not only was Satan not "booted" from Heaven he was summoned/invited to a heavenly council.

That account and the interaction with Job are some of the most remarkable passages in all of the Bible. The takeaway is that we are all being observed by the Angels as God's plan of salvation works itself through to completion.
Booted as no longer his home.
Being summoned gives credence to his residence Being elsewhere of the Kingdom of Heaven.