Man killed in Utah FBI raid allegedly posted death threats against Biden

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ZNP

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If you are a federal agent, a man holding a gun who has threatened to shoot federal agents if they approach him is in fact an imminent threat.

I think it better to attempt an arrest NOT in a public place where innocent people could potentially be harmed in an altercation involving firearms.
If he was holding a gun that would be all over the news. If he had fired a gun you can be sure that would have been a headline. They have not said one word about him firing a gun. You have no basis to say he did. This is just more slander.
 

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While I agree with much of what you say, the fact remains that when a government usurps the authority of the people and no longer upholds the laws they swore to uphold, the constitution recognizes the rights of the people to throw off that government. This is the way our country began. You may not believe we have reached such a point, but many believe we passed that threshold long ago.I certainly believe we have.
The founding fathers had some things to say about government tyranny. Here is one example below and there is more.

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We have not fully reached this point yet in America but we continue to head in that direction under this current corrupt administration.
 

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the answers to the questions you are refusing to address explain these things.
So you are saying referencing Esther, Judas Maccabeas, Nehemiah, Joseph in Genesis, and the book of Daniel constitutes preaching Evil?

Once again, I would warn everyone of what the Bible says:

Matthew 9:4 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts?
 

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the answers to the questions you are refusing to address explain these things.
Matthew 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

Imagine you accuse a brother of preaching evil, when asked to explain you get this response. This is what has happened. posthuman accused me of preaching evil, I asked him to point me to the post that he was referencing, instead I get this mealy mouthed response.
 

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I saw on the news that the FBI made a 'Johnny come lately' statement 5 days after the incident that Robertson resisted arrest and as agents attempted to take him into custody, he pointed a .357 revolver at them.

I would like to see the body cam footage of that. Just saying.
 

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For example I had a discussion with my wife yesterday about groups that were heretical. Jehovah's witness and Mormons. She said that the Seventh Day Adventists were Christians. I told her that the Bible warns us not to lay hands quickly on anyone, pointing out that a doctrine that says we must keep the Sabbath is what Paul dealt with in Galatians. It doesn't mean that they deny that Jesus came in the flesh, but it does mean we shouldn't be so quick to lay hands on them. She was helped by that.

Compare that with posthuman. There is no effort to point out the error in the doctrine or the "preaching". Twice I have quoted verbatim my "preaching" in this thread which all of my posts are consistent with. Does he point out the error? No.

In one case you can see someone rebuking false doctrine but in a way to help others to understand the truth.

In the other case you see someone slandering others and making false accusations.
 

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So you are saying referencing Esther, Judas Maccabeas, Nehemiah, Joseph in Genesis, and the book of Daniel constitutes preaching Evil?
i'm asking you why that was your response to me saying that the Bible does not teach us to threaten assassination or to conspire against the government.

and I'm asking what your purpose was in making this thread.
 

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I saw on the news that the FBI made a 'Johnny come lately' statement 5 days after the incident that Robertson resisted arrest and as agents attempted to take him into custody, he pointed a .357 revolver at them.

I would like to see the body cam footage of that. Just saying.
Yes, my thought was, where was the gun? Why wasn't it taken into custody? The guy walks with a cane.

I think what is very certain is that he was in his house at the time, not committing a crime, not charged with a crime, and did not shoot a gun. You can be sure if any of those claims were not true it would have been headlines in the news.

Also, there are different versions of what his thought crime was. The main stream news says he was making threats about shooting President Biden, but I heard that when questioned by the FBI he said that he was recounting a dream he had had. I find it very disturbing that they don't actually post in the news story what he said because their version becomes "the truth" instead of giving us a verbatim account.
 

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i'm asking you why that was your response to me saying that the Bible does not teach us to threaten assassination or to conspire against the government.

and I'm asking what your purpose was in making this thread.
And I am saying I will answer those questions if you answer my question, why did you accuse me of preaching evil.
 

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My point was that he was not charged with committing a crime when they shot him. He wasn't charged with resisting arrest, he wasn't charged with shooting at an officer, he wasn't charged with kidnapping. Everyone, from the first post, has stated that he made some post on the internet that he was charged with. He was previously questioned by the Feds. They could have arrested him then. They saw him leaving church, they could have arrested him them. They knew he was 300lb, 70 years old, walks with a cane, and virtually homebound. Hence, seeing him with a cane in the pre dawn hours should not have been confused with a rifle. Holding a rifle in one hand while you try and walk with a cane is extremely difficult for someone who has trouble standing to begin with.
 

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Ephesians 4:31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.
 

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James 4:11 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
 

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We have seen a concerted effort by at least one person on this thread to accuse me and others of preaching evil.

Know this, Mordecai was accused of evil in the book of Esther. Nehemiah was accused of evil in the book of Nehemiah. Joseph was accused of evil in the book of Genesis. The New Testament tells us that we will be slandered.

However, look at what Paul tells Timothy

2Timothy 1:8 So do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord or of me his prisoner. Rather, join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God.


The gospel is that Jesus is Lord. We are not under evil tyrants. For example think of this story on this thread. We have laws, we have a constitution. These protect us from what took place. They don't protect you from making threats of violence on the internet. But what the Feds did was a threat of violence to everyone. The Bible says that all souls are under the authority, that means you and it also means the Feds who come to question or arrest you.

2Timothy 2:3 Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus.


It is a privilege to suffer like a good soldier of Christ Jesus.
 

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My purpose in making this thread

A little background: In 2000 I was in a ministry for the persecuted church. We met outside the UN and held a rally when they opened the session in NYC in September. We talked about what was going on Sudan and said that if we don't stand with the people in Sudan, then what is happening there will come here.

That sounded almost absurd back then, Biblical, but absurd.

One year later we wanted to have a second rally at the opening of the session on September 13th, however, it was cancelled because of 9/11.

When you watch what happened in Utah you cannot sit and think that it has nothing to do with you. That was meant as a warning to everyone on the internet to be careful because "thought crimes" will be punished with summary execution.

I then posted the thread about the newspaper in Kansas and the woman who died during that raid. That is our second witness that we are living in a time when the Feds see themselves as not being subject to the constitution, not being subject to the laws of the land.

In March of 2020 I had Covid. I was a high school science teacher and so tried to learn as much as I could about Covid so I could explain it to the students. While doing this I learned that Fauci was a liar. Then Deblasio mandated the vaccine for all government workers. That included me and my wife. I knew that since I had had Covid I didn't need the vaccine, I had immunity since I had had Covid. I didn't have any concrete proof that the vaccine was harmful, but I did know Fauci was lying and you don't need to lie to get people to take a life saving vaccine. My wife and I resigned our jobs, sold our house and moved rather than take the vaccine. Why? As a teacher I had all my previous shots, I had always gotten all the shots for my kids, I wasn't anti Vax and I had no proof the vaccine was harmful. However, I knew the law about mandating an experimental vaccine and I could see that the data justifying mandating the vaccine was very questionable. I have learned that when someone is lying to you that this is the biggest alarm. You can't dismiss that, you have to respond immediately. You have to deal with liars immediately. Today we see leaders around the world with evidence that the vaccine was harmful, there is statistical evidence that 20 million people worldwide died as a direct result of the vaccine and 2 billion have had their health harmed.

The government has to avoid the appearance of evil. Today 50% of the country believes our elections are fraudulent. You can't have a democracy that way. Two years ago they should have had audits of the entire process including of the dominion machines and including doing a complete check of the voter registration and doing a canvass of all who voted. They said it would be too expensive, costing tens of millions of dollars. Biden has sent over $100 billion to Ukraine, dropped $200 million like it was nothing. Yet if they had done a complete audit of five states it could have been done for less than $200 million. You can't have a democracy when 50% of the country doesn't trust the process.

These are all critical concerns that must be dealt with immediately.