Man killed in Utah FBI raid allegedly posted death threats against Biden

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ZNP

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you are not speaking as a Christian.
you are speaking as a brainwashed far-right extremist conspiring to overthrow the government.
Or you are are speaking as someone brainwashed.

Every person in the US is under the authority of the US constitution, and that includes the president whether or not they were legitimately elected.
 

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immaterial. the Maccabean revolt is not scripture and scripture absolutely does NOT encourage Christians to seek to overthrow their governments. we are very clearly instructed in scripture to. do. exactly the opposite, even if and when that government is unjust.

That celebration was commemorating ridding the temple of idolatry, not commemorating treasonous inciting of violence against duly appointed secular authorities.

are you even hearing yourself dude?
you are WAY off base.

even if you yourself want to be a wicked seditious criminal and encourage others to join you in violence, you are completely unjustified in trying to use the Bible to excuse it. you are ABSOLUTELY NOT representing Christian values with such positions. you are 100% representing far-right fascist extremism.
Not interested in standing on whatever base you are standing on.

You are a slanderer.
 

ZNP

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GOD is the Authority.

The constitution does not provide for you to use violent mobs or threats of assassination to enforce your will on the half of the polity you disagree with.
Fine, the constitution provides the way in which to deal with violations of the law and it does not include sending out government hit squads to silence opposition in a pre dawn raid.
 

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You are confusing Biden with the king. Biden is Haman, God is the king.
you are misapplying scripture.

the scripture was not written about a little pagan nation called the USA, and it's not subject to your private interpretation.
 

ZNP

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you are misapplying scripture.

the scripture was not written about a little pagan nation called the USA, and it's not subject to your private interpretation.
No, of course not, it is subject to your private interpretation and you have been set up as a judge to decide who is and who is not properly understanding scripture. You see yourself as a guide to the blind.
 

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Police conduct 'chilling' raid of Kansas newspaper, publisher's home

Police in a central Kansas town raided the local newspaper's office Friday and seized computers and employees' personal cellphones – an action that advocates say violates federal laws protecting the media.

Law enforcement officers with the Marion (Kan.) Police Department and the Marion County Sheriff's Office took the Marion County Record's computer file server, other computers and phones, and other equipment, the Record reported.

A search warrant, posted online by the nonprofit news site the Kansas Reflector was signed by Marion County District Court Magistrate Judge Laura Viar. The warrant was approved and cited probable cause that violations related to identity theft and unlawful acts concerning computers were committed. Police were approved to search for devices that were used to access the Kansas Department of Revenue records website and documents and records pertaining to Kari Newell.

Newell is a Marion restaurant owner who during a city council meeting on Aug. 7 accused the Record of illegally obtaining information about her, the newspaper reported.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-conduct-chilling-raid-kansas-234339210.html


Kansas newspaper co-owner, 98, dies after 'tearfully' watching police raid her home

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Longtime Marion County Record journalist Joan Meyer, 98, died on Saturday less than 24 hours after a police raid at her home - THE WICHITA EAGLE
The elderly co-owner of a local newspaper in Kansas has died after police raided her home.

Joan Meyer, 98, who owned the Marion County Record with her son Eric, collapsed after being traumatised by police descending on her home.
Police were accused of behaving like the Gestapo in the raid on the paper, which has a circulation of 2,200.

The raid on the offices and the proprietor’s home by five police officers and two deputies has ignited a debate of the freedom of the press and the first amendment right to free speech.
According to the paper, Mrs Meyer was “stressed beyond her limits” when police descended on her home.

She watched in tears as the officers, armed with a search warrant, took away her computer, internet router and Alexa smart speaker.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/kansas-newspaper-co-owner-98-012941647.html
 

shittim

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This isn't the America God had the vision for.
 

ZNP

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Really? Try reading Daniel again, he refers to Antiochus Epiphanes, though not by name and Jesus also refers to this in Matthew 24 saying when you see the abomination of desolation in the temple.
 

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Really? Try reading Daniel again, he refers to Antiochus Epiphanes, though not by name and Jesus also refers to this in Matthew 24 saying when you see the abomination of desolation in the temple.
the historical existence of Antiochus Epiphanes does not make the books of Maccabees scripture.

scripture condemns rebelling against the leaders of your people. scripture nowhere commends much less encourages Christians to threaten murder or bodily harm to others.
 

ZNP

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the historical existence of Antiochus Epiphanes does not make the books of Maccabees scripture.

scripture condemns rebelling against the leaders of your people. scripture nowhere commends much less encourages Christians to threaten murder or bodily harm to others.
Daniel, which does refer to him, is scripture and Matthew which also refers to this event as a forerunner to the coming tribulation is also scripture. John which refers to the feast of dedication is also scripture. That is three books of the Bible referring to what happened at the Maccabean revolt. You can also look at these three and see that they are amplified in the book of Revelation.
 

ZNP

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Joe Biden has completely revamped out justice system making it far more efficient than it ever was!

First there is this man who posted despicable threats on the internet. Generally you expect a long drawn out process in the legal system where it takes more than two years to convict him of a crime, instead just send in a hit squad and let's finish this in a few hours.

But now with Trump it is truly impressive. Today there was a grand jury hearing with about 5 more witnesses to go and then the Grand Jury would be dismissed to discuss the case and vote on it and perhaps tomorrow come back with a verdict. At which point if the verdict is guilty the AG would then put forth an indictment. But this is no longer the wheels of justice moving slowly as in olden days, no, we have this indictment in hand before the witnesses even get to speak! Very impressive Mr. Biden, even Putin and Xi wouldn't attempt that.
 

posthuman

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Daniel, which does refer to him, is scripture and Matthew which also refers to this event as a forerunner to the coming tribulation is also scripture. John which refers to the feast of dedication is also scripture. That is three books of the Bible referring to what happened at the Maccabean revolt. You can also look at these three and see that they are amplified in the book of Revelation.
Josephus records events of the Maccabean revolt. that doesn't make Josephus scripture.

Encyclopedia Britannica records events of the Maccabean revolt. that doesn't make Encyclopedia Britannica scripture.

when Jesus mentions the abomination of desolation, He says those in Judea should flee - He does not say they should threaten to assassinate Roman leaders or conspire to overthrow the government.

Esther does not seek Hamans death or to harm others in the kingdom of her master. her pleas is to spare her life and the lives of her fellow Jews. the kings decree is that they be allowed to defend themselves, not that they attack their enemies or forcefully depose the authorities over them.

the Bible does not tell you to incite civil war or to threaten bodily harm to the governors God gave authority over you in this world. He appointed the worldly sword to secular rulers, not to the church.
 

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Proverbs 3:31
Do not envy a man of violence
and do not choose any of his ways
 

ZNP

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Josephus records events of the Maccabean revolt. that doesn't make Josephus scripture.

Encyclopedia Britannica records events of the Maccabean revolt. that doesn't make Encyclopedia Britannica scripture.

when Jesus mentions the abomination of desolation, He says those in Judea should flee - He does not say they should threaten to assassinate Roman leaders or conspire to overthrow the government.

Esther does not seek Hamans death or to harm others in the kingdom of her master. her pleas is to spare her life and the lives of her fellow Jews. the kings decree is that they be allowed to defend themselves, not that they attack their enemies or forcefully depose the authorities over them.

the Bible does not tell you to incite civil war or to threaten bodily harm to the governors God gave authority over you in this world. He appointed the worldly sword to secular rulers, not to the church.
This is pathetic. We have covered all these points. No one is disputing that the man should have been questioned, arrested and perhaps charged and tried for what he posted on public media. However, at worst it is a thought crime. I don't know what the penalty is for saying something hateful, but it should be something the courts determine and he should be given the presumption of innocence like anyone else and he should get a trial by a jury of his peers.

You are not standing against civil war, you are supporting a gestapo that goes out as a hit squad. That is what Haman was planning and what Mordecai and Esther stood against, could not be any clearer. And yes, Esther does talk about how the Jews had to fight for their lives.

Esther 8:11 The king’s edict granted the Jews in every city the right to assemble and protect themselves; to destroy, kill and annihilate the armed men of any nationality or province who might attack them and their women and children, and to plunder the property of their enemies. 12 The day appointed for the Jews to do this in all the provinces of King Xerxes was the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, the month of Adar. 13 A copy of the text of the edict was to be issued as law in every province and made known to the people of every nationality so that the Jews would be ready on that day to avenge themselves on their enemies.
 

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Right now all believers should be praying about this. You saw what they did to this man, you saw what they did to the Kansas Newspaper and you saw how the indictment for Trump was already filed before the grand jury even heard the witnesses or got to vote.

Esther 8:11 The king’s edict granted the Jews in every city the right to assemble and protect themselves; to destroy, kill and annihilate the armed men of any nationality or province who might attack them and their women and children, and to plunder the property of their enemies.

This is a spiritual war, you know the enemy is come but to lie, kill and destroy.
 

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Esther 7:3
Then Queen Esther answered,
"If I have found favor in your sight, O king, and if it please the king, let my life be granted me for my wish, and my people for my request."

Esther's request is for her own safety and the safety of her people.

she does not ask for assassination or the overthrow of the government.

Esther is NOT Biblical support for seditious speech, threats of murder or plotting against the rulers of your people.
 

ZNP

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Esther 7:3
Then Queen Esther answered,
"If I have found favor in your sight, O king, and if it please the king, let my life be granted me for my wish, and my people for my request."

Esther's request is for her own safety and the safety of her people.

she does not ask for assassination or the overthrow of the government.
Tell that to the king because this was the edict He gave:

Esther 8:11 The king’s edict granted the Jews in every city the right to assemble and protect themselves; to destroy, kill and annihilate the armed men of any nationality or province who might attack them and their women and children, and to plunder the property of their enemies.

The king represents God. He has already given Satan the edict that He can kill and destroy on a certain day, the day when he is "unrestrained". That will be during the reign of Antichrist. But due to some in the Body of Christ praying and seeking the Lord He also gives the edict that those left behind during the tribulation can assemble and protect themselves, and they can destroy and annihilate any army or any nationality who might attack them or might try to plunder their property.