Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."
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If it was directed at anyone I would have quoted them in a reply, this is the BDF I was hoping it w
Also if you look at what I highlighted
it wasnt about " denying our only Master " that you focused on
it was about turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
food for thought when we are talking about sin is it not a sin, christian liberty
some people can take "liberty" into lasciviousness, I think that should be guarded against
Also if you look at what I highlighted
it wasnt about " denying our only Master " that you focused on
it was about turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
food for thought when we are talking about sin is it not a sin, christian liberty
some people can take "liberty" into lasciviousness, I think that should be guarded against
that is you thinking that you are literally saying soething I NEVER said, or even close to, and saying I implied it, sounds to me, and im not trying to be me, but like you have some issue going on when you read that.
If you could show me where I EVEN HINTED at that then I wouldnt say that but I never came close to saying anything like that, look at my posts, im usually 90+% if not 99% Scripture focused
If you could show me where I EVEN HINTED at that then I wouldnt say that but I never came close to saying anything like that, look at my posts, im usually 90+% if not 99% Scripture focused
It wasn't really that great of a point, because I got exactly what Gideon was saying, he just thinks I didn't. When you're walking in the spirit, you're walking in the law written in your heart by him- that's what I was getting at. He said the law had no heart- it doesn't but you do, and his law is there.
No person will be perfect but He can empower us to love His ways
Hebrews 10:16, "“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”
Rather than going I cant you cant we cant, we should be asking for strength to do His will?
John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
Hebrews 10:16, "“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”
Rather than going I cant you cant we cant, we should be asking for strength to do His will?
John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
I see. So you were directing it at me and you assume that license necessarily leads to lasciviousness. Got it.
Someone can disagree with another's doctrine sincerely and make that known. But no one can see into another's heart, except Jesus.
I do appreciate you sharing but I don't think I will address any more posts to you directly. Be blessed.
Someone can disagree with another's doctrine sincerely and make that known. But no one can see into another's heart, except Jesus.
I do appreciate you sharing but I don't think I will address any more posts to you directly. Be blessed.
Nothing like making a strawman and beating it up huh?
trying to bring up a point of discussion is not accusation, especially when I never said anything about anyone, I posted a verse and yes some people can some take "liberty" into lasciviousness, I think that should be guarded against
I know a guy who used to steal and think it was ok because he prayed. I think that is a good example of what not to do
this is a great passage for positivity
1 Peter/Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in YHWH, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH."
Revelation 21:7, "“The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Father and he shall be My son."
1 Peter/Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in YHWH, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in YHWH."
Revelation 21:7, "“The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Father and he shall be My son."
So ive been stydying this a little bit, when Paul says: "that an idol has no real existence" and "We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do"
That it does not matter it we eat or not?
and when he says " through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol,"
That it is imaginary and because idols are worthless it does not matter?
1 Corinthians 8:4, 7-8, "Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol has no real existence, and that there is no God but one. However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.”
To be clear I take the Acts 15 view, but Im trying to understand better Paul and where your view also.
Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
That it does not matter it we eat or not?
and when he says " through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol,"
That it is imaginary and because idols are worthless it does not matter?
1 Corinthians 8:4, 7-8, "Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol has no real existence, and that there is no God but one. However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.”
To be clear I take the Acts 15 view, but Im trying to understand better Paul and where your view also.
Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Amen it’s about this now but faith just confounds some
“The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
Acts 10:36-44 KJV
But when you go backwards it’s because of the stumbling stone some can’t trust Jesus enough to let the law go what a subversion
“The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
Acts 10:36-44 KJV
But when you go backwards it’s because of the stumbling stone some can’t trust Jesus enough to let the law go what a subversion
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[/QUOTE]So you don't know that you hate your brother by requiring to keep laws that you can't even keep?[/QUOTE]
Where is the verse that says guarding His Laws/Commands is "hate?"
I keep hearing this here but none have produced Scripture to back up that claim.
Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."
John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
Where is the verse that says guarding His Laws/Commands is "hate?"
I keep hearing this here but none have produced Scripture to back up that claim.
Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."
John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”