The Myth of the Roman "Catholic" Church

[Scotth1960]

"It is DAMNABLE heresy to teach that Jesus went to HELL or that the Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father and the Son.

"The Latin Church cannot be Catholic or UNIVERSAL because HERESY would be universal. ...If heresy was universal, this would make void the promise of Jesus that the gates of Hades would not prevail against His Congregation:
Matthew 16:16-18 NKJV Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon bar Jonah, for flesh and blood have not revealed this to you, but My Father Who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."
"The Christian Congregation is built upon Christ the ROCK ... not Peter the STONE:
John 1:42 NKJV "Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, "You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas (which is translated. A Stone)."

The Myth of the Roman "Catholic" Church

 

[Strangelove]

Reformation.org is a good website and Mr.Kilkenny has many good articles exposing false doctrines, but he mistakenly identifies the Mother of Harlots as the RCC (rather than the obvious...Jerusalem/pharisees) and this error taints alot of his work.

Shame.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Reformation.org is a good website and Mr.Kilkenny has many good articles exposing false doctrines, but he mistakenly identifies the Mother of Harlots as the RCC (rather than the obvious...Jerusalem/pharisees) and this error taints alot of his work.

Shame.

aww man we disagree on something . Jerusalem could not be the mother. she might only have a few (if any) of the characteristics of the harlot in revelation. Rome has all of the characteristics.

 

[Scotth1960]

Reformation.org is a good website and Mr.Kilkenny has many good articles exposing false doctrines, but he mistakenly identifies the Mother of Harlots as the RCC (rather than the obvious...Jerusalem/pharisees) and this error taints alot of his work.

Shame.

I didn't know that, Strangelove. Well, I agree with you, Babylon of Revelation is Jerusalem and the Pharisees, and also ancient Rome along with Jerusalem in the Rome-Jerusalem conspiracy to murder Jesus Christ. But papal Rome is in heresy and schism since 1014-1054 AD, so in a way, she is the mother of false beliefs including the false belief of Protestantism, which comes from the same false Augustinian source: Augustine of Hippo, a partially false teacher. He mixed truth with quite a few serious errors, although he has never been condemned by the Church, he still is recognized by all traditional Orthodox theologians as the source of Filioque and other already CONDEMNED and ANATHEMATIZED errors such as Filioque, original sin (guilt), etc.

 

[Strangelove]

aww man we disagree on something . Jerusalem could not be the mother. she might only have a few (if any) of the characteristics of the harlot in revelation. Rome has all of the characteristics.

Rome is an absolute FANTASTIC decoy my friend. Really really good. It had me going for a while too so I cant be critical.

 

[kujo313]

ATrueChurch.org exposes stuff, too.

 

[Strangelove]

I didn't know that, Strangelove. Well, I agree with you, Babylon of Revelation is Jerusalem and the Pharisees, and also ancient Rome along with Jerusalem in the Rome-Jerusalem conspiracy to murder Jesus Christ. But papal Rome is in heresy and schism since 1014-1054 AD, so in a way, she is the mother of false beliefs including the false belief of Protestantism, which comes from the same false Augustinian source: Augustine of Hippo, a partially false teacher. He mixed truth with quite a few serious errors, although he has never been condemned by the Church, he still is recognized by all traditional Orthodox theologians as the source of Filioque and other already CONDEMNED and ANATHEMATIZED errors such as Filioque, original sin (guilt), etc.

And all of that stuff INCLUDING Eastern Orthodoxy comes from the TEMPLE CULT of the pharisees.

(not including Protestantism which is simply an umbrella term for those who protest the power of the papal dominion or canon)

 

[Scotth1960]

And all of that stuff INCLUDING Eastern Orthodoxy comes from the TEMPLE CULT of the pharisees.

(not including Protestantism which is simply an umbrella term for those who protest the power of the papal dominion or canon)

So, you are saying you are not, are you saying you are not either a Protestant, Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox? And you're not Oriental Orthodox, Old Catholic, Byzantine (Eastern Catholic), or Anglican? If you're not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, or one of these other alternatives, you must be a Protestant of some kind. That is the only possibility that exists. Even non-denominational Christians are Protestants of some kind. Perhaps there may be Protestants who do not believe in the Reformation solas or in 2 sacraments only.
Your false assumption that Eastern Orthodoxy "comes from the TEMPLE CULT" of the Pharisees is pure nonsense and ancient bigotry, pure and simple.
It sounds like nonsense to me, because it is nonsense. I have committed enough errors to know what my past errors were, and why I have repented of them. I used to believe in Lutheranism, and I probably would have said something bigoted against holy Orthodoxy at some time.
I hope I am no kind of bigot any more.
You may not be a bigot, you may simply be MISINFORMED. Eastern Orthodoxy doesn't come from the Pharisees. Modern Judaism with its TALMUDS comes from the Pharisees.
No form of Christianity comes from the Pharisees, not even Protestantism comes from the Pharisees. So you're just making a mistake, Dr. Strangelove. Your love of strange theories is uncalled for by the facts of history. Orthodoxy comes from Scripture, from the New Testament, from the 20 Apostles and the 70 disciples of Christ, and from the 7 ecumenical councils all of these things, Scripture foremost of all, come from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Scotth1960]

And all of that stuff INCLUDING Eastern Orthodoxy comes from the TEMPLE CULT of the pharisees.

(not including Protestantism which is simply an umbrella term for those who protest the power of the papal dominion or canon)

Eastern Orthodox are not Protestants, but they protest the pretensions of the popes of Rome.

 

[Strangelove]

So, you are saying you are not, are you saying you are not either a Protestant, Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox? And you're not Oriental Orthodox, Old Catholic, Byzantine (Eastern Catholic), or Anglican? If you're not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, or one of these other alternatives, you must be a Protestant of some kind. That is the only possibility that exists. Even non-denominational Christians are Protestants of some kind. Perhaps there may be Protestants who do not believe in the Reformation solas or in 2 sacraments only.

Sure, I protest the worldly dominion and false cannon of the papacy. If that makes me a protestant, fine.

Your false assumption that Eastern Orthodoxy "comes from the TEMPLE CULT" of the Pharisees is pure nonsense and ancient bigotry, pure and simple.
It sounds like nonsense to me, because it is nonsense. I have committed enough errors to know what my past errors were, and why I have repented of them. I used to believe in Lutheranism, and I probably would have said something bigoted against holy Orthodoxy at some time.
I hope I am no kind of bigot any more.
You may not be a bigot, you may simply be MISINFORMED. Eastern Orthodoxy doesn't come from the Pharisees. Modern Judaism with its TALMUDS comes from the Pharisees.
No form of Christianity comes from the Pharisees, not even Protestantism comes from the Pharisees. So you're just making a mistake, Dr. Strangelove. Your love of strange theories is uncalled for by the facts of history. Orthodoxy comes from Scripture, from the New Testament, from the 20 Apostles and the 70 disciples of Christ, and from the 7 ecumenical councils all of these things, Scripture foremost of all, come from the Holy Spirit.

Eastern Orthodoxy displays ALL the characteristics of apostate Hebrewism which culminated in the organized religion of 'Mishnahism' championed by the pharisees which then morphed into 'Talmudism'
and these days rears its ugly head as Rabbinic Judaism.

These characteristics include but are not limited to:

Idolatry
Necromancy/consulting familiar spirits
Hierarchical priestly structure
Oral Traditions which nullify Gods Holy Law
Works based salvation
Priestly clothing (pretty much identical)

You can cry bigot all you want but I will debate the stuffing out of you on any of these issues. G'head pick one and I'll see you tomorrow.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Rome is an absolute FANTASTIC decoy my friend. Really really good. It had me going for a while too so I cant be critical.

It might be a decoy. But it fits ALL the characteristics of the woman in Rev. Jeruslaem does not fit any. All the proof I need my friend.

 

[Rosewater]

"It is DAMNABLE heresy to teach that Jesus went to HELL or that the Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father and the Son.

Most Catholics, myself included don't really pay much attention to the whole Filoque controversy and in reality we recite the Apostle's Creed in Mass and in our prayers where the controversial statement isn't present. Anyway, just curious how do you explain the various Bible passages where it said:


Jesus says he will send another Comforter, the Holy Spirit
John says the one after himself will baptize with the Holy Spirit
Jesus breathes on the disciples and says receive the Holy Spirit


from a simple Bible reading perspective, doesn't it sound at least that Jesus too sends or has the Holy Spirit proceed from himself?


Again, I don't know what the arguments are for and against the Filoque thing, I am just curious what those passages mean then if Jesus doesn't somehow also possess the Holy Spirit.

 

[4runner]

"It is DAMNABLE heresy to teach that Jesus went to HELL or that the Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father and the Son.

Yeah, believing the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, and the Son rather than the Father alone is damnable.....lol.

Take a chill pill dude.

 

[Scotth1960]

Sure, I protest the worldly dominion and false cannon of the papacy. If that makes me a protestant, fine.


Eastern Orthodoxy displays ALL the characteristics of apostate Hebrewism which culminated in the organized religion of 'Mishnahism' championed by the pharisees which then morphed into 'Talmudism'
and these days rears its ugly head as Rabbinic Judaism.

These characteristics include but are not limited to:

Idolatry

Strangelove:

(Idolatry: Statue of Martin Luther in the Lutheran Cathedral, Helsinki, Finland: Idolatry: Statute of Calvin, Knox, Beza, etc. in Geneva, Switzerland, the so called Reformation Wall)

Scott

Necromancy/consulting familiar spirits

Strangelove:
(Eastern Orthodoxy does not do that. False accusation (false witness(against one's neighbor, a violation of one of the ten Commandments, by the way
Scott

Hierarchical priestly structure

Strangelove:

(bishop, priest (presbyter, elder), deacon (1 and 2 Timothy)
Scott

Oral Traditions which nullify Gods Holy Law

Strangelove
(false accusation: see 2 Thess 2:15)
Scott

Works based salvation

Strangelove, False. False accusation.

Faith and works based salvation (Gal. 5:6, James 2:24)

(so, Saint James 2:24 and Galatians 5:6 are false then, "Strangelove"? And Eph. 2:10 is false?)
Scott'

Priestly clothing (pretty much identical) (

Strangelove,

False accusation. No problem.

Scriptures which forbid priestly clothing, please?) Scott

You can cry bigot all you want but I will debate the stuffing out of you on any of these issues. G'head pick one and I'll see you tomorrow.

Dear Strangelove!
Name one Church Father that says the teachings of the Orthodox Church are the same as the Talmud. You have read the Talmud, yes? So have I. Some of it. Through Michael Hoffman's book "Judaism's Strange Gods". If you are going by Hoffman as a guide to the Talmud, Hoffman says nothing about EO being Talmudic. You are way off base here, Strangelove. Why should you be taken seriously when you don't even have the common sense to use your own name? After all, why would anyone want to take a movie character seriously. If this is just a casual chat forum, fine. I assume people have something more substantial to believe in. We in America here are really spoiled by Evangelical Christianity. Too many gullible people are expecting hopefully a late great pre-tribulation rapture to "rapture" them out of all their earthly sufferings. I trust you don't believe that pre-tribulation myth, either, you are smarter than that. For a few years, I read Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye, and, not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God, I believed what they said. John F. Walvoord's book "The Rapture Question" (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan), also had me brainwashed for a while. It was while I was a Protestant I was following human traditions. No Christian tradition follows the Talmud, so you are simply stating a falsehood here. It is Luther's oral traditions and Luther's words which nullify God's holy law. Consider Luther's oral (and written) tradition: "Luther took the opportunity afforded him in his self-appointed role of translator of the Bible into German, to add and delete words, from the Bible to bolster his ideological-theological revolutionary agenda. For instance, he decided to strengthen some of his favorite passages, like Romans Chapter 4, and weaken others. He added the word "only" to key Biblical passages in which he revised such sentences as: you are saved only by faith, or you are saved by faith alone. These essential forgeries provided Luther with the "proofs" he needed to bolster his evolving and creatively innovative theology. (1)
"In 1529, Dr. Link, the pre-eminent German language scholar of the day, wrote to Luther asking him why he had been inserting words into the German Bible. Luther's astonishing written answer nicely sums up the heart of the Protestant problem with individualistic subjectivity, "It is so because Dr. Luther says it is so!" (Dancing Alone: The Quest For Orthodox Faith in the Age of False Religion. Copyright 2002, Frank Schaeffer, Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press, pages 76-77. Regina Orthodox Press Online Store ).

Notes.
1. Luther went so far as to insert the word "alone" in his translation of Romans 3:28 making it read: "that man is justified without the works of the law, through faith alone". While he defended the insertion ... his critics attacked him fro "lacerating and falsifying" (Ec. Enchir., 5 C Cath 34: 97-98)) not only the biblical text but the biblical doctrine" (Jaroslav Pelikan, Reformation of Church and Dogma, p. 252.).

God save us all from every false belief and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Amen.

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

Yeah, believing the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, and the Son rather than the Father alone is damnable.....lol.

Take a chill pill dude.

So you don't believe John 15:26?

Why is it okay to doubt what the Lord says?
Don't you take the Gospels seriously?
I take my pills every day. Thank you.
Lord have mercy on all of us. If I took a chill pill, I could get cold. I want to remain warm and kind toward all people, and including those who are not kind to me and get personal with me. I don't get personal with others.

Isn't it a serious thing to believe false doctrines? See St. Paul's writings about the necessity of "Sound doctrine", and about people having itching ears, tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. God forgive me. I've been there, done that myself. I sometimes get interested in false teachings, but I have not believed in any false things except

Filioquism

Pentecostalism

Lutheranism

pretribulationism dispensationalism


God forgave me when I repented of all of these heresies.


Not repenting is damnable. But repentant people will be saved, not damned.

 

[Scotth1960]

Most Catholics, myself included don't really pay much attention to the whole Filoque controversy and in reality we recite the Apostle's Creed in Mass and in our prayers where the controversial statement isn't present. Anyway, just curious how do you explain the various Bible passages where it said:


Jesus says he will send another Comforter, the Holy Spirit
John says the one after himself will baptize with the Holy Spirit
Jesus breathes on the disciples and says receive the Holy Spirit


from a simple Bible reading perspective, doesn't it sound at least that Jesus too sends or has the Holy Spirit proceed from himself?


Again, I don't know what the arguments are for and against the Filoque thing, I am just curious what those passages mean then if Jesus doesn't somehow also possess the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, the promise of the Father. The Spirit from the Father.
He is also the Spirit of the Son. The Spirit of the Father and of the Son. But He is the Spirit OF the Son, not the Spirit FROM the Son. He does NOT come FROM the Son. He comes from the Father alone (JOHN 15:26). He proceeds THROUGH the SON, but not FROM the Son.
He abides and rests in the Son. The Spirit rests and abides in Jesus Christ.
He is the Spirit of Christ.
He is the Spirit of the Father.
He does not proceed from the Son.
He proceeds from the Father. Period.

 

[Rosewater]

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, the promise of the Father. The Spirit from the Father.
He is also the Spirit of the Son. The Spirit of the Father and of the Son. But He is the Spirit OF the Son, not the Spirit FROM the Son. He does NOT come FROM the Son. He comes from the Father alone (JOHN 15:26). He proceeds THROUGH the SON, but not FROM the Son.
He abides and rests in the Son. The Spirit rests and abides in Jesus Christ.
He is the Spirit of Christ.
He is the Spirit of the Father.
He does not proceed from the Son.
He proceeds from the Father. Period.

Alot of nuance there, I admit. Thanks for the reply.

 

[Grandpa]

"It is DAMNABLE heresy to teach that Jesus went to HELL or that the Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father and the Son.

Doesn't the bible say that Jesus went to hell during the 3 days He was in the tomb and when He was there He set the captives free? 1Peter3:18,19 and Matthew 12:40

The truth is we don't know where Jesus was during those 3 days. We also don't know how the Holy Trinity works. Lets just be happy that we know there is a Father, A Son and a Holy Spirit and that He Loves us.

God Bless You

 

[Scotth1960]

ATrueChurch.org exposes stuff, too.

I believe ATrueChurch.org is Darwin Fish's cult, and he needs to be exposed for his false stuff, too.
We all do. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God deals with each of us in person, and brings us to repentance in His mercy (Titus 3:5), and we don't deserve anything but because God is love, He just loves us, even though we are all unworthy. If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive our sins and to cleanse us of all our unrighteousness. I have done that, and I pray God forgive me for my past heresies and sins of the flesh and the sins of my soul. God save me. God save us all.

 

[Scotth1960]

Doesn't the bible say that Jesus went to hell during the 3 days He was in the tomb and when He was there He set the captives free? 1Peter3:18,19 and Matthew 12:40

The truth is we don't know where Jesus was during those 3 days. We also don't know how the Holy Trinity works. Lets just be happy that we know there is a Father, A Son and a Holy Spirit and that He Loves us.

God Bless You

What He is referring to is John Calvin's damnable heresy that Christ was punished and suffered in hell. Christ may have descended to the dead, in those three days; this is a great mystery, and we shouldn't try to peer too closely into the secret things of God. He certainly preached to the OT saints, Moses, and so on. David. Abraham. Isaac. Jacob. Jesus Christ surely must have visited the righteous people of the OT. Christ would have unconditional love for all of the dead, saints and sinners alike. I believe 1 Peter 3:18-19 and Matthew 12:40 (I don't remember what those Scriptures says) will preach the truth on this matter. I trust God's words, even when I can't remember them all.

God bless you.