In heaven we will have a body of flesh and blood. Very interesting because angels can take on human form

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Flesh and bones, no blood. Blood is what corrupted the body. Blood is the picture of why Christ shed his blood to get rid of sins, although he knew no sin.
Blood did not corrupt the body.
 

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Blood did not corrupt the body.
No, the forbidden fruit corrupted the body because of sin. What was the fruit? Grapes, a type of blood all throughout the bible. I could post the entire study when I get a chance if you're interested?
 

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Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Which part of flesh and blood is corrupt? The blood is corrupt. Blood needs to be shed from the body. Notice, after the resurrection, the Lord had a body of flesh and bone, but no blood. In the beginning, Adam was made flesh and bone, but no blood, until after the fall.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
You are making no sense at all. Nowhere does it say blood is corrupt.
 

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No, the forbidden fruit corrupted the body because of sin. What was the fruit? Grapes, a type of blood all throughout the bible. I could post the entire study when I get a chance if you're interested?
The fruit was not corrupt. It was Adam and Eve's ACTIONS.
 

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In heaven we will have glorified bodies because flesh and blood can not enter heaven. It has been tainted with sin.
The tainted with sin part was tokened care of by the death of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. Jesus appeared after the resurrection to the apostle and others in flesh and blood human form. He even cooked a breakfast for them of fish.
 

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Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Which part of flesh and blood is corrupt? The blood is corrupt. Blood needs to be shed from the body. Notice, after the resurrection, the Lord had a body of flesh and bone, but no blood.
Where in the bible does it state that the resurrected body of Jesus did not have blood?
 

John146

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Where in the bible does it state that the resurrected body of Jesus did not have blood?
Jesus shed his blood on the cross for payment for sin, yes? In his resurrected body, scripture only states flesh and bone, no blood. He had holes in his side and hands and feet, but no bleeding. Why? Where did the blood go?
 

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Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

- 1 Corinthians 15:50
to "inherit" is not the same as "to enter"
 

posthuman

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Where in the bible does it state that the resurrected body of Jesus did not have blood?
it's interpreted that He presented His blood in heaven, Hebrews 9:12 & 12:24
((so evidently it's possible for blood to exist in heaven - He brought it there with Him))

i suppose it's further interpreted that He sprinkled all of His blood?
 

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Jesus shed his blood on the cross for payment for sin, yes? In his resurrected body, scripture only states flesh and bone, no blood. He had holes in his side and hands and feet, but no bleeding. Why? Where did the blood go?
interestingly, blood is made in the bones and flows through the flesh.

:coffee::unsure:
 

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Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Which part of flesh and blood is corrupt? The blood is corrupt. Blood needs to be shed from the body. Notice, after the resurrection, the Lord had a body of flesh and bone, but no blood. In the beginning, Adam was made flesh and bone, but no blood, until after the fall.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,


for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Flesh and blood go together blood is for flesh to live without blood flesh is just dead organic material instantly beginning decay the moment the blood stops circulating ….

“For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof; therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭17:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Flesh and blood is like oil and a motor. The two parts of man tbat are opposed is the spirit of life inside them and thier corrupt flesh and blood body that craves carnality while the spirit in them came from the giver of life who is holy and spiritual and pure and good

flesh and spirit are at odds because of adams sin in Eden

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That made us mortals who die like this inside

“Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:20-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When a person sins they use their flesh and blood and it begins to crave the natural things addictions and habits behaviors ll are committed by the flesh and blood part of us , our mind was corrupted by good and evil knowledge it became part of man to have both good and evil . Just as cain and abel became two opposite men internally having the same parents and environment.

Mankind is like that now because our original roots were corrupted when they ate the fruit of knowing both good and evil the evil is sought by our flesh . They were wondering about the fruit it says they saw it was beautiful to look at , Satan just convinced them it would t do any harm it would actually benefit them .
See what John is saying here

“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh,

and the lust of the eyes,

and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the flesh lusts and craves things sinful things we see things sinful things and this causes us to lust if we look and do t turn away our mind and body and everything physical begins to crave and lust it’s human nature now we have good in us but there’s always also evil tempting us in this world constantly it’s there until we leave this world the temptations and lusts of our flesh .

We aren’t going to be tempted in eternity when all things are done because we will leave our flesh in the dust and be made complete as the children of God

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:

but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

ot pattern

“And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭34:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Nt reality

Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, and was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17:1-3, 5-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

(peters eye witness account of this again 2ptr 1:16-21)

the point is Jesus was still appearing on earth for 40 days after his resurrection but after those fourty days when he appears to Paul , he isn’t appearing as a man anymore or eating rich in a beach anymore oaul describes him as a being of unapproachable light , and when he tried to look at Jesus his eyes miraculously grew scales to protect them and blinded him three days in order to becomes a powerful witness of what Paul saw .

Jesus body was perfect ours isn’t and never will be it’s why we all must die physically but we dont have to spiritually we can have what the gospel promises. We have bodies they are born of the spirit
 

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interestingly, blood is made in the bones and flows through the flesh.

:coffee::unsure:
o have an old 1963 ford pickup , sucker runs great , but doesnt run well at all without gas n oil

but I’m actually the one who makes it drive and move it’s my vehicle I just get in it and go where I’m headed , then get out when I arrive home lol

“For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance; knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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“For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬
you should finish the quote --


For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(2 Corinthians 5:1-5)


Paul here explicitly rejects the ancient gnostic heresy which taught that flesh is inherently evil, and believed therefore that only a person's spirit is resurrected.
this passage specifically shows us that '
spiritual-only' resurrection is a false teaching: Paul describes our spiritual person as inhabiting a 'tent' -- the body, which God made of dust, to be flesh. He then goes on leaving no room for misinterpretation, saying we do not groan to be 'naked' ((the gnostic false teaching that we will be only spiritual with no physical component)) but to be clothed, that is, to inhabit a body.
in fact not once but twice he says this -- we do not want to be unclothed ((that is, to not have any flesh)) but to be further clothed ((to have a redeemed flesh -- contrary to the heretical gnosticism prevalent in the days this was written)).
in order for mortality to be swallowed up by life -- that the body ((mortal)) would be redeemed with life.


the testimony of scripture is that Jesus Christ was bodily resurrected, bodily ascended and will bodily return.
we also will be resurrected in the same way: bodily.
 
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Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then [at death] shall the dust [flesh] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [the part of us that lives on]shall return unto God who gave it. KJV​
Paul knew that upon death we go back to the Lord. But, as you see, our flesh body does not travel with us; it remains here to rot in the grave. But we are not in that grave with our rotting flesh―God forbid―rather, we are in Heaven with the Lord (Heaven is wherever God is; it is His abode):

2 Corinthians 5:6-8
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. KJV​
In the above, Paul is giving an either/or. In other words, you are in only one of two places; you are either here in the flesh (living on the Earth in your flesh body), or you are with God (in your spiritual body) after your flesh deceases. There is no third place. You are either here or there, and that goes for the wicked and for the good―we ALL go back to God the Father after we die down here.
 

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you should finish the quote --


For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(2 Corinthians 5:1-5)


Paul here explicitly rejects the ancient gnostic heresy which taught that flesh is inherently evil, and believed therefore that only a person's spirit is resurrected.
this passage specifically shows us that '
spiritual-only' resurrection is a false teaching: Paul describes our spiritual person as inhabiting a 'tent' -- the body, which God made of dust, to be flesh. He then goes on leaving no room for misinterpretation, saying we do not groan to be 'naked' ((the gnostic false teaching that we will be only spiritual with no physical component)) but to be clothed, that is, to inhabit a body.
in fact not once but twice he says this -- we do not want to be unclothed ((that is, to not have any flesh)) but to be further clothed ((to have a redeemed flesh -- contrary to the heretical gnosticism prevalent in the days this was written)).
in order for mortality to be swallowed up by life -- that the body ((mortal)) would be redeemed with life.


the testimony of scripture is that Jesus Christ was bodily resurrected, bodily ascended and will bodily return.
we also will be resurrected in the same way: bodily.
Paul here explicitly rejects the ancient gnostic heresy which taught that flesh is inherently evil, and believed therefore that only a person's spirit is resurrected.

why did Paul explain this before he says flesh and blood can’t inherit the kingdom ? He’s addressing the body of the resurrection

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35, 42, 44-45, 47-52‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure about what your explainkng but what Paul’s saying makes sense to me he is sort of doing the explainkng there

he raises the issue “ how are the dead going to be raised ? With what body ? The natural body that died ? Or the spiritual body he’s talking about ? Is there just one body or is there a natural body ( flesh ) and a spiritual body ?

aim not sure oil explained the flesh and blood was gonna be saved and inherit eternity , I’d rather say oaul explained well that spirit and flesh are opposed just as good and evil is opposed like most of his doctrine

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;( bound to death )

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”( resurrection )
‭‭John‬ ‭3:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭

“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;

but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


They are opposed brother

“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As far as what made man corrupt sinners it was the knowledge of good and evil nd what Adam did then meant this

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when Gid told them not to eat the fruit of good and evil , it’s because good and evil are opposed like the flesh and spirit of man are now opposed like pauls doctrine tells us repeatedly

Our earthly body is for our time on earth we live inside of it it’s like a vehicle , or an earthly tabernacle when we oss we’re going to have our real eyes opened and see the eternal things we can’t see right now because we’re in the flesh still

ashen we were created God made a body from the dirt d then he breathed a spirit of life inside the body that’s who we are the spirit inside the flesh and eventually Christian’s will be glorified in the spiritual realms where things are eternal but we can’t take our old broken down rental home with us it belongs to this earth we have a new one waiting in eternity
 

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Paul here explicitly rejects the ancient gnostic heresy which taught that flesh is inherently evil, and believed therefore that only a person's spirit is resurrected.

why did Paul explain this before he says flesh and blood can’t inherit the kingdom ? He’s addressing the body of the resurrection

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35, 42, 44-45, 47-52‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure about what your explainkng but what Paul’s saying makes sense to me he is sort of doing the explainkng there

he raises the issue “ how are the dead going to be raised ? With what body ? The natural body that died ? Or the spiritual body he’s talking about ? Is there just one body or is there a natural body ( flesh ) and a spiritual body ?

aim not sure oil explained the flesh and blood was gonna be saved and inherit eternity , I’d rather say oaul explained well that spirit and flesh are opposed just as good and evil is opposed like most of his doctrine

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;( bound to death )

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”( resurrection )
‭‭John‬ ‭3:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭

“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;

but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


They are opposed brother

“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As far as what made man corrupt sinners it was the knowledge of good and evil nd what Adam did then meant this

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when Gid told them not to eat the fruit of good and evil , it’s because good and evil are opposed like the flesh and spirit of man are now opposed like pauls doctrine tells us repeatedly

Our earthly body is for our time on earth we live inside of it it’s like a vehicle , or an earthly tabernacle when we oss we’re going to have our real eyes opened and see the eternal things we can’t see right now because we’re in the flesh still

ashen we were created God made a body from the dirt d then he breathed a spirit of life inside the body that’s who we are the spirit inside the flesh and eventually Christian’s will be glorified in the spiritual realms where things are eternal but we can’t take our old broken down rental home with us it belongs to this earth we have a new one waiting in eternity
We all by faith understand and know know God exists we know Jesus was raised up from death , we know he ascended up and disappeared on the clouds and entered the realm of God the spiritual heaven the Bible speaks so often about . We know this stuff because of faith we heard it and believe it’s true


But we cannot see it with our physical eyes we can’t fly a ship into space and find God physically or see him physically because he is spirit and we are still yet in the flesh and the carnal realm of creation.

Our flesh and blood is something we leave we part from it because we are the living spirit within

“Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:6, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we leave our body behind to the dust of this creation to which it belongs and our spirit returns to God who made us

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Our flesh and blood body is for this world and our short life here it’s why we age and die continually without fail there aren’t made for eternity. We are in them for now

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to leave the body when we die and go to the lord and answer for all we did in the body while on earth. Our issue is corruption within through the flesh and it’s lusts we’re trying to get through this world as believers so we can be glorified for eternal life in the body of Christ Jesus which is perfect and he is the first man of the coming new creation

awe our flesh now came from Adam , through pro creation , our bodies then will come from Christ Jesus through his flesh and blood and being clothed with bodies from on high that cannot be corrupted because flesh and blood is not present
 

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we ALL go back to God the Father after we die down here.
And after this, the resurrection.
Which he spoke of in the 5 verses immediately preceding what you put - and doesn't contradict himself.



Paul here explicitly rejects the ancient gnostic heresy which taught that flesh is inherently evil, and believed therefore that only a person's spirit is resurrected.

why did Paul explain this before he says flesh and blood can’t inherit the kingdom ? He’s addressing the body of the resurrection

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35, 42, 44-45, 47-52‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure about what your explainkng but what Paul’s saying makes sense to me he is sort of doing the explainkng there

he raises the issue “ how are the dead going to be raised ? With what body ? The natural body that died ? Or the spiritual body he’s talking about ? Is there just one body or is there a natural body ( flesh ) and a spiritual body ?

aim not sure oil explained the flesh and blood was gonna be saved and inherit eternity , I’d rather say oaul explained well that spirit and flesh are opposed just as good and evil is opposed like most of his doctrine

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh;( bound to death )

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”( resurrection )
‭‭John‬ ‭3:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭

“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;

but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


They are opposed brother

“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As far as what made man corrupt sinners it was the knowledge of good and evil nd what Adam did then meant this

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when Gid told them not to eat the fruit of good and evil , it’s because good and evil are opposed like the flesh and spirit of man are now opposed like pauls doctrine tells us repeatedly

Our earthly body is for our time on earth we live inside of it it’s like a vehicle , or an earthly tabernacle when we oss we’re going to have our real eyes opened and see the eternal things we can’t see right now because we’re in the flesh still

ashen we were created God made a body from the dirt d then he breathed a spirit of life inside the body that’s who we are the spirit inside the flesh and eventually Christian’s will be glorified in the spiritual realms where things are eternal but we can’t take our old broken down rental home with us it belongs to this earth we have a new one waiting in eternity
His tomb is empty and ours will be too.

We will be **changed** raised to put on incorruption. we will not leave these bodies behind - they will be redeemed:

Romans 8:23-24​
even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?
sóma: a body
Original Word: σῶμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sóma
Phonetic Spelling: (so'-mah)
Definition: a body
Usage: body, flesh
 
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And after this, the resurrection.
Which he spoke of in the 5 verses immediately preceding what you put - and doesn't contradict himself.





His tomb is empty and ours will be too.

We will be **changed** raised to put on incorruption. we will not leave these bodies behind - they will be redeemed:

Romans 8:23-24​
even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?
sóma: a body
Original Word: σῶμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sóma
Phonetic Spelling: (so'-mah)
Definition: a body
Usage: body, flesh
Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. KJV
This SECOND death is the death of a soul. Then you are no more ever again for ever. the FIRST death was when you died in this world and they buried your carcass in the grave―but as you can see, YOU continued on till Judgement Day, though you did not have a flesh body any longer. Did not Paul explain that we have TWO bodies?

1 Corinthians 15:42-53
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It [flesh] is sown in corruption; it [our spirit from that flesh body] is raised in incorruption [a spiritual non-perishable body]:
43 It is sown in dishonour [our flesh bodies]; it is raised in glory [our spiritual bodies]: it is sown in weakness [frail flesh dies and rots]; it is raised in power [a spiritual non-perishable body (save for Judgement Day)] :
44 It is sown [into the grave] a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body [we arise back to God in our spiritual body]. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam [Mr. Adam from the Garden of Eden] was made a living soul; the last Adam [Jesus Christ] was made a quickening spirit.
46 [shifting focus now on to salvation] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption [rotting flesh; morality not meant here] inherit incorruption [that non-perishable spiritual body that was placed into our mother's womb to be clothed with flesh].
51 [shifting focus now to those who are still alive at the Second Advent] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [die a flesh death], but we shall all be changed [changed to our spiritual body (the flesh simply falling off to the ground)],
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump [that's the 2nd Advent, not any so-called Rapture]: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible [into their spiritual bodies], and we shall be changed [into our spiritual bodies (not having tasted of death)].
53 For this corruptible [flesh body] must put on incorruption [spiritual body], and this mortal [destined to die flesh body] must put on immortality[non-perishable spiritual body]. KJV
2 Corinthians 5:1-10
5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle [flesh body] were dissolved [died and rotted back to dust], we have a building of God, an house not made with hands [spiritual body], eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle [flesh body] do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed [not seeking death], but clothed upon [with our non-perishable spiritual body], that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the [flesh body] body, we are absent from the Lord:
7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body [deceased from the face of the Earth, yet that body is still here on the earth], and to be present with the Lord. [in our spiritual body after we die]
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent , we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. KJV

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