The Myth of the Roman "Catholic" Church

[mpaper345]

Mystery Babylon is the Mother of all the false religions of the world,and when did Jerusalem,Pharisees,represent that.

Mystery Babylon also is associated with all the world powers starting with Egypt to the 10 horns,which is the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section,because she has the trait of all them,and when did Jerusalem represent that.

The beast system is the Gentile nations coming together in which they persecute the woman,the Jews,who come to the truth that Jesus is the Messiah,so Mystery Babylon is the Gentile nations as one.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hrmm, a world power that fits those characteristics.... The UN?

Is the UN a body which claims to be Christ's bride? Does the UN use pagan ritual and ceremony to worship there God? Are they even a religious entity? Will the world jump for joy when the "great UN Falls"? I don't think the world would even care. Not as much as if this other power which great influence over ALL the earth is destroyed.

 

[dscherck]

Is the UN a body which claims to be Christ's bride? Does the UN use pagan ritual and ceremony to worship there God? Are they even a religious entity?

*whoops! Double post! *
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[dscherck]

Is the UN a body which claims to be Christ's bride? Does the UN use pagan ritual and ceremony to worship there God? Are they even a religious entity?

Well, the Catholic Church is Christ's Church but it doesn't use pagan rituals.

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[Scotth1960]

Sure, I protest the worldly dominion and false cannon of the papacy. If that makes me a protestant, fine.


Eastern Orthodoxy displays ALL the characteristics of apostate Hebrewism which culminated in the organized religion of 'Mishnahism' championed by the pharisees which then morphed into 'Talmudism'
and these days rears its ugly head as Rabbinic Judaism.

These characteristics include but are not limited to:

Idolatry
Necromancy/consulting familiar spirits
Hierarchical priestly structure
Oral Traditions which nullify Gods Holy Law
Works based salvation
Priestly clothing (pretty much identical)

You can cry bigot all you want but I will debate the stuffing out of you on any of these issues. G'head pick one and I'll see you tomorrow.

Dear strangelove,
Are you honestly saying what you are saying?
Why can't you say about Namibia and Turkey. I was not aware that Turkey was in Namibia. If you don't want your location specified, just don't specify it. But don't give false information if you expect people to believe what you say.
Mishnaism? Ridiculous! The Mishna is a Jewish document.
The Eastern Orthodox Church did not write a Mishnah.
Your belief is totally incorrect. You are bearing false witness against your Eastern Orthodox neighbors.
God bless you.
Scott Harrington Erie PA USA
PS Maybe Turkey is in Namibia if your true address is: Planet Mars. LOL!

 

[yaright]

"It is DAMNABLE heresy to teach that Jesus went to HELL or that the Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father and the Son.

"The Latin Church cannot be Catholic or UNIVERSAL because HERESY would be universal. ...If heresy was universal, this would make void the promise of Jesus that the gates of Hades would not prevail against His Congregation:
Matthew 16:16-18 NKJV Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon bar Jonah, for flesh and blood have not revealed this to you, but My Father Who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."
"The Christian Congregation is built upon Christ the ROCK ... not Peter the STONE:
John 1:42 NKJV "Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, "You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas (which is translated. A Stone)."

The Myth of the Roman "Catholic" Church

I hope you don't mind my expanding on your understanding of a church built on a rock. You need to back up one more verse in order to see the witness of these three parts, and how they were formed. In the beginning of that conversation ON A PERSONAL PLAIN; Peter proclaimed that Jesus is the Christ, Son of the living God. At this point Jesus revealed through Peter, one part of that rock (Jesus). This is where certain religions stopped and totally misled millions concerning what that rock was. Jesus reveals three parts that become this rock upon which Jesus builds His Church of living stones; but He gave this on a very personal plain concerning each one of us. After Peter spoke of the One part; Jesus then spoke of three parts when He said flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. Jesus spoke of His Father who is in Heaven, revealed this to Peter. Now we have two parts of the Rock. Then Jesus then gave witness to Peter,
I also say to you that you are Peter (the third part), and on this Rock I will build My Church." And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It is the covenant relationship between our Father in Heaven, Jesus and you (speaking on a personal level). That covenant relationship cannot be broken, even by Satan. And if you read a few more verses to vs 23, you will see how Satan attempted to break that covenant of three parts by using the weak part of that covenant (Peter), which is each of us according to the things that seem right to us. But because there are three parts spoken of in this parable, no matter how weak we are in understanding, the covenant remains like an unmovable Rock which the gates of hell cannot prevail against. All these things took place to show us the power of that covenant relationship that cannot be broken.

Jesus uses another parable language to reveal this power of the foundation of His Church.
(John 10;22 thru 30)

One of the key elements of the parable of the Rock is over-looked, that Satan did attempt to cause Christ's Church to fail through Peter. But because that foundation has the strength of these three parts,
'THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.'

Thank you for bringing this to the table!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, the Catholic Church is Christ's Church but it doesn't use pagan rituals.

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Well thats your opinion. I tend to disagree.

Not to mention the world would morn fiercely if the roman church was destroyed (unlike any other religious organization)
Not to mention no other religious organization has the power and influence over nations and kings the roman church has (non even come close)
Nor are they wealthy and as well of with the amount of currency they are worth (the roman church would actually be considered the third richest. at least last I checked)
Nor does any other organization have the goods and services which people buy and sell as the roman church has.
The other few characteristics rev gives also support the roman church.

of course, If someone can show me an organization who claims to worship God which has these things, I would be more than willing to investigate. Until then. I see no other organization which fits the bill. Then again, maybe there is a future religious organization which will overthrow the roman church and she will be the harlot. I don't know

 

[Scotth1960]

I hope you don't mind my expanding on your understanding of a church built on a rock. You need to back up one more verse in order to see the witness of these three parts, and how they were formed. In the beginning of that conversation ON A PERSONAL PLAIN; Peter proclaimed that Jesus is the Christ, Son of the living God. At this point Jesus revealed through Peter, one part of that rock (Jesus). This is where certain religions stopped and totally misled millions concerning what that rock was. Jesus reveals three parts that become this rock upon which Jesus builds His Church of living stones; but He gave this on a very personal plain concerning each one of us. After Peter spoke of the One part; Jesus then spoke of three parts when He said flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. Jesus spoke of His Father who is in Heaven, revealed this to Peter. Now we have two parts of the Rock. Then Jesus then gave witness to Peter,
I also say to you that you are Peter (the third part), and on this Rock I will build My Church." And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It is the covenant relationship between our Father in Heaven, Jesus and you (speaking on a personal level). That covenant relationship cannot be broken, even by Satan. And if you read a few more verses to vs 23, you will see how Satan attempted to break that covenant of three parts by using the weak part of that covenant (Peter), which is each of us according to the things that seem right to us. But because there are three parts spoken of in this parable, no matter how weak we are in understanding, the covenant remains like an unmovable Rock which the gates of hell cannot prevail against. All these things took place to show us the power of that covenant relationship that cannot be broken.

Jesus uses another parable language to reveal this power of the foundation of His Church.
(John 10;22 thru 30)

One of the key elements of the parable of the Rock is over-looked, that Satan did attempt to cause Christ's Church to fail through Peter. But because that foundation has the strength of these three parts,
'THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.'

Thank you for bringing this to the table!

Dear yaright, Which of the Church Fathers said anything about the three parts teaching you speculated about above? I don't understand what you are saying? What is the consensus Patrum (the consensus of the Fathers)? Did any of them, or all of them, agree with your teaching above? God bless you. In Erie PA August 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

 

[dscherck]

Well thats your opinion. I tend to disagree.

Not to mention the world would morn fiercely if the roman church was destroyed (unlike any other religious organization)
Not to mention no other religious organization has the power and influence over nations and kings the roman church has (non even come close)
Nor are they wealthy and as well of with the amount of currency they are worth (the roman church would actually be considered the third richest. at least last I checked)
Nor does any other organization have the goods and services which people buy and sell as the roman church has.
The other few characteristics rev gives also support the roman church.

of course, If someone can show me an organization who claims to worship God which has these things, I would be more than willing to investigate. Until then. I see no other organization which fits the bill. Then again, maybe there is a future religious organization which will overthrow the roman church and she will be the harlot. I don't know

Tell me, what are the signs, in your opinion of Christ's true Church? Would it not have world influence as well? Would it not be the world's largest charitable organization? Would the world not mourn the loss of such an influential organization if it were to die out?

What other organization has done so much through history to support and spread the gospel of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Tell me, what are the signs, in your opinion of Christ's true Church? Would it not have world influence as well? Would it not be the world's largest charitable organization? Would the world not mourn the loss of such an influential organization if it were to die out?

What other organization has done so much through history to support and spread the gospel of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?

You just made my point. No other religious organization has that much influence and power. So tell me. Who could the harlot be? If it is not rome. who is it? No one else fits the bill

Those are the characteristics given by God. Not me. I can not see anyone else who fits the bill, which you even admited fits so good.

ps. I do not believe it is Gods church. so we disagree on that issue. But you already know that.

pss. Remember, God saved narrow is the gate to him. And FEW there are that will find it. If we look at those who follow god since adam, we will find that the numbers are not very big. Even when the jews were following God and not off worshiping the Gods of the pagans and playing the harlot. Their numbers compared to the rest of the world were few. Again historical precedence would support the fact the true church is very small in number.

 

[yaright]

Dear yaright, Which of the Church Fathers said anything about the three parts teaching you speculated about above? I don't understand what you are saying? What is the consensus Patrum (the consensus of the Fathers)? Did any of them, or all of them, agree with your teaching above? God bless you. In Erie PA August 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

what I shared is a specific truth. I'm sorry to hear that thee concensus Patrum saw no personal connection; even though Peter personally denied the word of God which Jesus gave for us to see on a personal plain. That verse Jesus spoke (the word of God) in Matthew 16;21 is God's word, and in verse 16;21 Peter denied the word of God. So if you want to reconsider how the Rock was formed; seeing that Peter denied the word of God from the beginning, than I'd like to hear what you have to say. But if you do not mention the personal connection, what point to you have in even mentioning it? By the way, I backed it up with another parable language. If you do not see the personal connection, of which we are, concerning living stones; in whom the covenant of three parts are spoken of in both parable languages........

(what this means to me is personal. If I make a choice according to my love for Jesus, and I do not consider what He said as the Word of God; you can be sure that I have Jesus and His Father who will not let me fail, even tho, like Peter, I might deny the Word of God, and not know that at the moment.)

I trust Jesus Christ, Son of the living God. and the ONLY ONE who revealed Him to me is God the Father who is in Heaven. If it were not for those three parts, I would not be standing on the Rock which cannot be broken by anyone, not even Satan. If you'd rather me post this this some other place(s) in the Christian Chat room, I'd be glad to because I know that anyone who carefully considers this will know I am telling the truth.

I have a son who lives near you. Beautiful country.

 

[yaright]

Sorry, I needed to make a correction..,thank you for your patience

Dear yaright, Which of the Church Fathers said anything about the three parts teaching you speculated about above? I don't understand what you are saying? What is the consensus Patrum (the consensus of the Fathers)? Did any of them, or all of them, agree with your teaching above? God bless you. In Erie PA August 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

what I shared is a specific truth. I'm sorry to hear that thee concensus Patrum saw no personal connection; even though Peter personally denied the word of God which Jesus gave for us to see on a personal plain. That verse Jesus spoke (the word of God) in Matthew 16;21 is God's word, and in verse 16;22 Peter denied the word of God. So if you want to reconsider how the Rock was formed; seeing that Peter denied the word of God from the beginning, than I'd like to hear what you have to say. But if you do not mention the personal connection, what point to you have in even mentioning it? By the way, I backed it up with another parable language. If you do not see the personal connection, of which we are, concerning living stones; in whom the covenant of three parts are spoken of in both parable languages........

(what this means to me is personal. If I make a choice according to my love for Jesus, and I do not consider what He said as the Word of God; you can be sure that I have Jesus and His Father who will not let me fail, even tho, like Peter, I might deny the Word of God, and not know that at the moment.)

I trust Jesus Christ, Son of the living God. and the ONLY ONE who revealed Him to me is God the Father who is in Heaven. If it were not for those three parts, I would not be standing on the Rock which cannot be broken by anyone, not even Satan. If you'd rather me post this this some other place(s) in the Christian Chat room, I'd be glad to because I know that anyone who carefully considers this will know I am telling the truth.

I have a son who lives near you. Beautiful country.

 

[wattie]

Tell me, what are the signs, in your opinion of Christ's true Church? Would it not have world influence as well? Would it not be the world's largest charitable organization? Would the world not mourn the loss of such an influential organization if it were to die out?

What other organization has done so much through history to support and spread the gospel of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?

Signs of a true local church:

* baptise by full immersion only AFTER salvation
* do not baptise babies
* Have Lords Supper and Tithing
* independent from any mother church org
* Carry out the Great commandment and Great Commission
* Have Jesus as the Head.. no pope
* Officers.. Pastors and deacons
* salvation by grace alone thru faith in Christ
* scripture as the sole authority and the infallible, inerrant Word of God

Now.. this is where you see independent churches all thru history... for real.. that have these marks.. which were not Catholic or Reformers.. it is plain fact.

Aside from the Trail of Blood.. which doesn't tease out much of what it claims.. there are other texts that do tease out that history of independent christian assemblies. They do not have a completely unbroken line of succession.. because many were cut off with the knife.. and also others chose not to record their own history.

But churches with the above markers.. did exist then since NT churches.. and exist now.

 

[Strangelove]

who said anything about 7 hills? Have you ever heard me say this? Maybe you didn't read my posts about the harlot. If you did, you would have seen I never even mentioned the 7 hills.

And rome is the empire. not the city. And it has world influence. Rome doe not have world influence right now does it? Nor does jerusalem. Not to mention the fact the world will not cry if the city of rome gets destroyed. Nor if Israel gets destroyed (they will praise whatever God they worship if Israel gets destroyed) But we do know a world power that does fit these characteristics (no it is not a nation)!

Jerusalem and the pharisees ABSOLUTELY have world influence. Both socially (ADL/hate laws etc), economically (who runs the fed and the world bank?), politically (why is noahide law being pushed by the U.N. and in U.s. public law already?)

 

[Strangelove]

Mystery Babylon is the Mother of all the false religions of the world,and when did Jerusalem,Pharisees,represent that.

Mystery Babylon also is associated with all the world powers starting with Egypt to the 10 horns,which is the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section,because she has the trait of all them,and when did Jerusalem represent that.

The beast system is the Gentile nations coming together in which they persecute the woman,the Jews,who come to the truth that Jesus is the Messiah,so Mystery Babylon is the Gentile nations as one.

Thats the worst theory yet.

How can the gentile nations be the Mother of all false religions?

That doesnt make any sense, not even in the slightest.

 

[Strangelove]

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Dear strangelove,
Are you honestly saying what you are saying?
Why can't you say about Namibia and Turkey. I was not aware that Turkey was in Namibia. If you don't want your location specified, just don't specify it. But don't give false information if you expect people to believe what you say.
Mishnaism? Ridiculous! The Mishna is a Jewish document.
The Eastern Orthodox Church did not write a Mishnah.
Your belief is totally incorrect. You are bearing false witness against your Eastern Orthodox neighbors.
God bless you.
Scott Harrington Erie PA USA
PS Maybe Turkey is in Namibia if your true address is: Planet Mars. LOL!

Scott, you didnt respond to my post, you didnt address my points. All you've got is immature flag/nationality diversionary silliness and gross misrepresentation. Where did I ever say the EO wrote the Mishnah?

You obviously have no defence for your cult. Not surprising as there is none.

 

[Strangelove]

I hope you don't mind my expanding on your understanding of a church built on a rock. You need to back up one more verse in order to see the witness of these three parts, and how they were formed. In the beginning of that conversation ON A PERSONAL PLAIN; Peter proclaimed that Jesus is the Christ, Son of the living God. At this point Jesus revealed through Peter, one part of that rock (Jesus). This is where certain religions stopped and totally misled millions concerning what that rock was. Jesus reveals three parts that become this rock upon which Jesus builds His Church of living stones; but He gave this on a very personal plain concerning each one of us. After Peter spoke of the One part; Jesus then spoke of three parts when He said flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. Jesus spoke of His Father who is in Heaven, revealed this to Peter. Now we have two parts of the Rock. Then Jesus then gave witness to Peter,
I also say to you that you are Peter (the third part), and on this Rock I will build My Church." And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. It is the covenant relationship between our Father in Heaven, Jesus and you (speaking on a personal level). That covenant relationship cannot be broken, even by Satan. And if you read a few more verses to vs 23, you will see how Satan attempted to break that covenant of three parts by using the weak part of that covenant (Peter), which is each of us according to the things that seem right to us. But because there are three parts spoken of in this parable, no matter how weak we are in understanding, the covenant remains like an unmovable Rock which the gates of hell cannot prevail against. All these things took place to show us the power of that covenant relationship that cannot be broken.

Jesus uses another parable language to reveal this power of the foundation of His Church.
(John 10;22 thru 30)

One of the key elements of the parable of the Rock is over-looked, that Satan did attempt to cause Christ's Church to fail through Peter. But because that foundation has the strength of these three parts,
'THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.'

Thank you for bringing this to the table!

Wow!

GREAT post friend.

(Mark 13:1) And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

(Mark 13:2) And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

(Luke 3:8) Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

(1 Peter 2:5) Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Every Christian is a rock in the spiritual house.

 

[Strangelove]

Dear yaright, Which of the Church Fathers said anything about the three parts teaching you speculated about above? I don't understand what you are saying? What is the consensus Patrum (the consensus of the Fathers)? Did any of them, or all of them, agree with your teaching above? God bless you. In Erie PA August 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

As usual Scott falls back on what MANLY TRADITIONS say rather than what Gods Word says.

Everything must be elucidated and confirmed by MEN and their vain philosophical BOOKS and authoritarian COUNCILS for you eh?

 

[zeroturbulence]

This is exactly how the devil destroys christianity.

 

[Grandpa]

This is exactly how the devil destroys christianity.

Do you mean by getting men to trust in their traditions more than the Living God? If that is what you mean I wholeheartedly agree...

God Bless You