Faith

[Pilgrimshope]

“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God spoke creation into existance by his perfect faith that fills his infallible and irrevocable word

“And God said, Let there be light: ( there was only darkness but he declared light ) and there was light.


And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3, 9, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To understand this eternal principle is the key to faith. Gods word has this nature every time he speaks

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Knowing the nature of the creators word that it infact is the declaration of man’s reality , from henceforth if man eats this forbidden fruit they shall die. All they have to do is walk by this faith God has given them “your are completely free and have dominion over all the earth but do not do this one thing or you will certainly and surely die “

That is faith they can live by simply hearing Gods word and believing it’s true so then what happened ? Another idea was given to them to disregard what god had said and offer an alternative action and result coming from a different source other than what God has said to man

first he just raises a doubt an innocent question “ did god actually say that ?”

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: ( the opposite of what God said the an explaination of why ) for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

( minds have been changed now by the other words they listened to and accepted rather than Gods established spoken word . )

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, ( gos had said it’s poison and certain death ) and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, ( gos is keeping it from you it’s actually good is now the thought ) she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

( now the result )

And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:1-6, 8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We know where this led mankind to exile and death a curse ofnthe earth ect but the point is that it’s the same now Jesus spoke his true words on the gospel and said they will
Never change or end and will save believers . But just as Eden when you hear the gospel the enemy comes to snatch it from you before you’ll comprehend and believe and act and let it change our hearts

“When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats what happened in Eden the lord spoke life and protected them from death by his word , but Satan snatched it from them and they broke thier faith

consider the things Jesus said about his words and teachings and doctrine and how it’s never going to end or change its gods eternal jidgement he says it’s life for believers he says it’s truth for followers he says those who keep it he says will escape death completely …..the same words that preached the gospel spoke creation into existence and he will fulfill every word Jesus spoke for all believers and even the non believers will reap what he said they will

belief of the gospel is true faith and doesn’t exist elsewhere

“But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is god hear his words they are the source of faith itself

 

[evyaniy]

Which made it necessary that the Son was saved from death(the death He suffered for us) by His obedience and faith. He was obedient to the law and His Father by giving His life to save us, and He had faith in His Father's promise/commandment of life to Him, that He would live and be raised from the dead. He took the curse for us and reversed it through obedience and faith. He turned the curse into a blessing for those who believe in Him. Or at least that is what His prayers in the Psalms reveal.

 

[Dino246]

Faith is indeed foundational for a right relationship with God, but faith is distinct from knowledge. There is no biblical support for the idea that God "had faith" that His words would be effectual. On the contrary, for Him to "have faith" would be for Him to be subject to a higher power with the ability to enforce His words.

Jesus, while in the flesh, exercised faith. We, who continue to walk in fleshly tents, continue to exercise faith.

Faith, in and of itself, is nothing; the power of faith is in the object of that faith. That's why people who follow other religious systems are lost; the object of their faith is empty promises, delusions, or outright lies.

Faith is the certainty of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1, paraphrased). We don't merely "hope" that God will raise us from the dead; we know because we trust the veracity of His word that tells us so.

 

[Nehemiah6]

God spoke creation into existance by his perfect faith that fills his infallible and irrevocable word

What exactly does this means--"by His perfect faith"? God having faith in Himself? There is absolutely no Scripture telling us that God has faith in Himself. God is the object of faith for humanity. God is the Self-Existent One -- I AM THAT I AM. It is enough for Him to speak and it shall be done. And as a matter of fact it was the eternal WORD -- the pre-incarnate Christ -- who spoke the worlds into existence. This truth is mind-boggling since He created everything out of nothing. Of course it really was not "nothing", since it was in the mind of Christ before everything became a tangible reality. And creation is based upon mathematical precision. It is simply awesome.

 

[evyaniy]

Who raised the Son from the dead. Did He raise Himself or did His Father raise Him because of His obedience and Faith?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Who raised the Son from the dead. Did He raise Himself or did His Father raise Him because of His obedience and Faith?

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What exactly does this means--"by His perfect faith"? God having faith in Himself? There is absolutely no Scripture telling us that God has faith in Himself. God is the object of faith for humanity. God is the Self-Existent One -- I AM THAT I AM. It is enough for Him to speak and it shall be done. And as a matter of fact it was the eternal WORD -- the pre-incarnate Christ -- who spoke the worlds into existence. This truth is mind-boggling since He created everything out of nothing. Of course it really was not "nothing", since it was in the mind of Christ before everything became a tangible reality. And creation is based upon mathematical precision. It is simply awesome.

What exactly does this means--"by His perfect faith"?

He is the source of faith he speaks faith like this

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and like this

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.

And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭10:21-22‬ ‭

airs rewlly a simple point but I realize you are driven by argument . Faith has to come from what God actually said it’s pretty basic

 

[John146]

What exactly does this means--"by His perfect faith"? God having faith in Himself? There is absolutely no Scripture telling us that God has faith in Himself. God is the object of faith for humanity. God is the Self-Existent One -- I AM THAT I AM. It is enough for Him to speak and it shall be done. And as a matter of fact it was the eternal WORD -- the pre-incarnate Christ -- who spoke the worlds into existence. This truth is mind-boggling since He created everything out of nothing. Of course it really was not "nothing", since it was in the mind of Christ before everything became a tangible reality. And creation is based upon mathematical precision. It is simply awesome.

God's righteousness = the faith of Jesus Christ

Christ was completely obedient to the Father. He always did his Father's will.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

God's righteousness has been promised to those who believe.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Faith is indeed foundational for a right relationship with God, but faith is distinct from knowledge. There is no biblical support for the idea that God "had faith" that His words would be effectual. On the contrary, for Him to "have faith" would be for Him to be subject to a higher power with the ability to enforce His words.

Jesus, while in the flesh, exercised faith. We, who continue to walk in fleshly tents, continue to exercise faith.

Faith, in and of itself, is nothing; the power of faith is in the object of that faith. That's why people who follow other religious systems are lost; the object of their faith is empty promises, delusions, or outright lies.

Faith is the certainty of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1, paraphrased). We don't merely "hope" that God will raise us from the dead; we know because we trust the veracity of His word that tells us so.

Faith is indeed foundational for a right relationship with God, but faith is distinct from knowledge. There is no biblical support for the idea that God "had faith" that His words would be effectual. “


God word is the source of faith he’s the creator is the point he is the source of faith when he speaks

Light didn’t exist until he spoke it …..everything he’s done in scripture he’s done by his word and his word spoken To men …..I’m sure that God has perfect faith , but he is the source of faith is the point his word is faith we have to hear what he said in order for us to have faith

We can pretend he said something and it will never come to pass , he has to actually say it is the point it isn’t faith if we reject what Jesus said and claim we have faith

the operation of faith mirrors Gods creation

“For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s faith and it’s how God created the world he spoke creation o to existance by faith I do t think there’s anything controversial about that

Simply we have to hear the word of God in order to have faith because that’s the source of faith d the effectual power of God

“who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


God spoke creation into existance tha ta in genesis , his word in the gospel is the same power to be fulfilled that’s how we can be saved

 

[John146]

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

There is no such thing as blind faith in the bible.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God's righteousness = the faith of Jesus Christ

Christ was completely obedient to the Father. He always did his Father's will.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

God's righteousness has been promised to those who believe.

“Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

There is no such thing as blind faith in the bible.

right

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

….Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36, 51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need to hear the word of the lord not reject it and explain alternate gospels …….

 

[evyaniy]

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So you won't answer the question since it has been in dispute recently and you previously quoted John 10:18 implying the Son raised Himself. Now that it has been pointed out that John 10:18 has a translation error and should have been "receive" and not "take" you are walking a middle ground and quoting verses that do not directly answer the question.

Did the Son raise Himself or did the Father raise Him?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Which made it necessary that the Son was saved from death(the death He suffered for us) by His obedience and faith. He was obedient to the law and His Father by giving His life to save us, and He had faith in His Father's promise/commandment of life to Him, that He would live and be raised from the dead. He took the curse for us and reversed it through obedience and faith. He turned the curse into a blessing for those who believe in Him. Or at least that is what His prayers in the Psalms reveal.

a right in the same way adam cursed crestion when he was tempted and sinned Jesus overcame temptation and never sinned which is the beginning of the new and uncorrupt creation ahead

We forget we’re not a n the promised land yet

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

( the children of God have a promised land )

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7-10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christs kingdom is the next world this one is cursed and has to end

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So you won't answer the question since it has been in dispute recently and you previously quoted John 10:18 implying the Son raised Himself. Now that it has been pointed out that John 10:18 has a translation error and should have been "receive" and not "take" you are walking a middle ground and quoting verses that do not directly answer the question.

yeah I’m not looking to argue whether Jesus is God I’ve made my belief that he is God clear . Some folks don’t agree that doesn’t affect me in Any way and I have no interest in arguing the same scriptures and going in the same circles it’s a waste of time

jesus and god the father are one the holt spirit is his spirit .

 

[evyaniy]

yeah I’m not looking to argue whether Jesus is God I’ve made my belief that he is God clear . Some folks don’t agree that doesn’t affect me in Any way and I have no interest in arguing the same scriptures and going in the same circles it’s a waste of time

jesus and god the father are one the holt spirit is his spirit .

Could you please get your caps corrected. Your posts are hard to read with the offensive non-capitalization when referring to the Most High. How can you not realize that could be offensive to people?

 

[Cameron143]

Could you please get your caps corrected. Your posts are hard to read with the offensive non-capitalization when referring to the Most High. How can you not realize that could be offensive to people?

If you knew with what great difficulty Pilgrimshope communicated and were aware of his great reverence for God, you might be more gracious.

 

[evyaniy]

Also you can post in the threads where specific subjects are being discussed instead of using a clandestine post in an unrelated thread to dispute something that was posted somewhere else.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So you won't answer the question since it has been in dispute recently and you previously quoted John 10:18 implying the Son raised Himself. Now that it has been pointed out that John 10:18 has a translation error and should have been "receive" and not "take" you are walking a middle ground and quoting verses that do not directly answer the question.

Did the Son raise Himself or did the Father raise Him?

Solve this mystery not by reason but let scripture conclude this mystery that’s very clearly stated by the way

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

who was manifest in the flesh and received up into glory ? What’s his name in the Bible ? Who is the person that is god made flesh ?

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …..And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Who is the word made flesh ?

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭

And who was received up into glory ?

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus is god reaching into this world to save us but consider the mystery Paul speaks of there and I bet you come to the conclusion he’s talking about Jesus the Christ

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If you knew with what great difficulty Pilgrimshope communicated and were aware of his great reverence for God, you might be more gracious.

i got my slider working better but the caps are just me adjusting for what’s not being read lol