can someone explain why do we christians say Jesus is God himself

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Pilgrimshope

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in your own view and words, who is Father/Word/Holy Spirit, to you?
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God….. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:46‬ ‭

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:15-21‬ ‭

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭

“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

God became flesh and returned to his former glory afterwards having created a perfect high priest and offering for the high priest his own prefect flesh and blood , which man required to be saved there was no man without sin in order to intercede for sinners with God now there is god became what we needed they are one we just see three operations of one god the ot when he spoke from heaven and no one knew and saw him , the gospel when the son became flesh , and the New Testament after when the soirit filled believers and still does today

gods plan requires those theee manifestations of God to mankind fornus to be saved it’s always him in a different form
 
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in my own view and words " who is Father/Word/Holy Spirit " to me

Father is the God whom is a Spirit of Holy whom has declared by his anointing Word that - he has begotten / born me to be one with him the God in - he is within me and I live to him

that is what the God has done - your question on a human level " God's power and anointing " is Father/Word/Holy Spirit

Father/Word/Holy Spirit - is " God's power and anointing " manifested to man through the eyes of man and in union with spirit of man
so, Jesus is the Power, and the Holy Spirit, the Anointing?

basically, the Bible does call the WORD made flesh, from Old and New Covenants, the ARM of God.
in theory, God wants to do something tangible on Earth with His Creation, He does it with His ARM [and Right Hand always means POWER, not which side someone is necessarily standing on].

And how the Bible basically breaks down the person of Jesus [in the form of I AM TO BE and then I AM] as being like a "physical ARM" of God, even means that's 100% God. the ARM of God, is as much God, as the Spirit of God is, the same as the LOVE of God-Wisdom of God-Omnipresence of God-Omniscience of God-Omnipotence of God is still ALL GOD.

John 6 shows us something very valuable we many times overlook:

here is Jesus talking: For I have come down from heaven

this is no typical human being, because, human beings don't : come down from heaven

Only God can come from HEAVEN and become human. not even Angels can do that.



and BEGOTTEN, is ADOPTION, like we have become ADOPTED/BEGOTTEN, by GOD, the moment we were covered in the Blood of Jesus.

Jesus, "came down from Heaven," and showed His very Own Human Creation how to be and become Adopted Heirs of GOD and how we are to properly ACT as representatives of GOD.

i actually love that most. God, wanted us to know how to properly behave, because many are Gentiles coming to the Fold [unlike the Jews already somewhat taught]. and God, only "trusted Himself" to teach us the Right Way. Plus, that Resurrection thing, can only be done the first time by GOD anyways. After He does it, it is now available to us who one day will also be Resurrected.

God had things to do.

And God knew only He could do them.

So, He did.
 
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evyaniy

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The incarnation of the Son, shows Who He is to His creation and forever establishes His rightful Authority over all creation. He is Love and Faithfulness and longsuffering and merciful and Righteous and Just and Holy and above all in all His ways.

The foundations of His throne/authority are Righteousness and Justice. The Son forever established that on the cross which allows for His mercy and love and forgiveness while remaining Just and forever accomplishing His Righteousness by the Salvation of humanity.

The Father willed our Salvation. The Son, as a Man, accomplished it through His obedience and faith in His Father and His judgments.
 
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evyaniy

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The Son was loving His Father with all His heart and soul and strength and mind and loving His neighbor as Himself by offering His life as a Sacrifice to save us in obedience to His Father.
 
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please notice exactly what 1Pe 1: 10 - 12 is saying


:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of The ANOINTING / CHRIST which was IN them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven.......................

this is explaining that the prophets did not receive the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ was never revealed to them

- - - - - revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us - - - -

they ministered the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven

but Christ / The Anointing was IN these Old Testament prophets as they suffered as prophets who were filled with Christ in them and ..... their very suffering that they endured for the sake of the Anointing / Christ in them signified and declared and testified the suffering of Christ / The Anointing - the Son Of God - to come in the future.

this was not revealed to them as knowledge and understanding they understood - this was kept secret, hidden from them,

they are a testimony that the Anointing / Christ was in them - they did not testify of the Son Of God, whom was born " Jesus The Anointing
he did not yet exist in human flesh and was not yet born as a son - and never was Co Eternal, Co Equal, Co omnipresent Son - the Spirit of God in him is the one eternal God manifested as the Christ / Anointing.


Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my word hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word ,
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word , in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The word of God.


the word is what the spirit of the father always commands and sends - as a manifestation of anointing / Christ - the word.

Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that the Anointing / Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

the anointing is the Spirit of God working and activating as application
 
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we could go into a more direct translation from the manuscripts that would strip these verses down to bare simplicity.
removing the inserted spiritual technology and wizzardry
 

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When the rubber meets the road.

The evidence of the Last Days is the increased attack on the Lord Jesus Christ. Try debating with a KW on that topic or any other cult belief system. Anyone who tries to lesson the Lord Jesus Christ and weaken HIS Deity is influenced by the spirit of anti-Christ.

1 John 2:22

"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."

There is no other way of Salvation. One can't be in a right relationship with the Father without the Son.
Ones theological understanding, knowledge, or works will save one without Christ. God won't even hear you. Without Access by the Authority of Christ you are not accepted.


IF one has not the understanding of Jesus is God and Lord, you are not saved. That understanding comes from the Holy Spirit and the word of God. If you can't see or understand Jesus is God and The Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God as the Word of God says.

You very well have a filter from :

  • a cult doctrine like JW, LDS, some SDA
  • you have the spirit of anti-christ
  • you are unsaved
in the last days people in the "Church" will deny the Lord.


2Tim 3:5

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

There is a very strong presence in many venues today attack The Lord Jesus Christ. That is a Paramount Sign of the Last days.

Mockers and a scoffers, and denying Jesus is God.

If one can't see Jesus is God who talked to His Father and instructed us on the Holy Spirit are Person's in addition himself, you have serious problem with a relationship with God.
 

ewq1938

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IF one has not the understanding of Jesus is God and Lord, you are not saved.

Jesus is God. I prove it in my signature. However, you have not proven one must understand Jesus is God to be saved. Nothing you provided says that and when I was challenged on it long ago, I was unable to prove it also. One must believe Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, that he died and was resurrected but nothing about it being required that you understand he is God (God the Son).
 

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please notice exactly what 1Pe 1: 10 - 12 is saying


:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of The ANOINTING / CHRIST which was IN them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven.......................

this is explaining that the prophets did not receive the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ was never revealed to them

- - - - - revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us - - - -

they ministered the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven

but Christ / The Anointing was IN these Old Testament prophets as they suffered as prophets who were filled with Christ in them and ..... their very suffering that they endured for the sake of the Anointing / Christ in them signified and declared and testified the suffering of Christ / The Anointing - the Son Of God - to come in the future.

this was not revealed to them as knowledge and understanding they understood - this was kept secret, hidden from them,

they are a testimony that the Anointing / Christ was in them - they did not testify of the Son Of God, whom was born " Jesus The Anointing
he did not yet exist in human flesh and was not yet born as a son - and never was Co Eternal, Co Equal, Co omnipresent Son - the Spirit of God in him is the one eternal God manifested as the Christ / Anointing.


Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my word hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word ,
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word , in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The word of God.


the word is what the spirit of the father always commands and sends - as a manifestation of anointing / Christ - the word.

Act 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that the Anointing / Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

the anointing is the Spirit of God working and activating as application
do you believe then that you yourself are what the Bible calls "Christ"?
 
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ooh no, beloved sir or dear ma'am


I do not believe in any way that I nor any other human being is " Christ "

the Greek meaning of this English word is, " The Anointing " - and in Greek as = Χριστός - Christos,

the Trinitarians Translators could never, never translate this ancient GREEK word into modern English bibles and expect to SUCSESSFULLY propagate the Trinity theology and Trinity faith system


for, no one except the Lord Yahashua, the " ONLY BORN SON OF GOD " - is, The Anointing, - Christos,

You and I are NOT begotten born children of God - no - one is - = born / begotten as a child of God except the Lord Yahashua the Anointing.

You and I have been " RE - BORN " born again and begotten of God - as children of God





His seed is spiritually planted or placed inside those whom are in union with the Spirit of God " RE - BORN " born again and we are adopted children, as we are in the Spirit of God and the Spirit of God is inside the children - in union / oneness

the Lord Yahashua The Son Of God is the only begotten / born Child Of God and through Him, Gentiles and fallen Jews can have redemption through his blood to receive eternal live and redemption.

we have adoption through the Christ / Anointing Spirit Of The Spirit Of the Holy Father - through Yahashua The Anointing Son Of God.

Mat 26:28 my blood of the new testament, ….. is shed for many, for the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;
Mar 1:4 John preached…….. baptism of repentance for the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;
Mar 3:29 blaspheme the Spirit Of The Holy never has “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ in danger of eternal damnation:
Luk 1:77 Jesus gives………. knowledge of salvation ……… by the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of their sins;
Luk 3:3 { John the Baptist } ……… preaching the baptism of repentance for the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;
Luk 4:18 to preach “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ to the captives - to set at “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ the broken
Luk 24:47 ……. repentance and “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins should be preached in his name
Act 2:38 Repent, and be baptized ……in the name of Jesus Christ for the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;
Act 5:31 Jesus . …… Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins.
Act 10:43 whosoever believeth in him shall receive “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins.
Act 13:38 { Jesus } ……. this man is preached unto you the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins:
Act 26:18 that they may receive “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins; and inheritance ….. sanctified by faith that is in me.
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins
Col 1:14 { in Jesus } we have redemption through his blood , even the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins.
Heb 9:22 and without shedding of blood is “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;
Heb 10:18 Now where “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins; of these is, there is no more offering for sin.



Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.


Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the Bible / book, and all the people,

:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus The ANOINTING / Christ - to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Trinitarians -- simply do not sprinkle the book nor see investments and profits by translating honestly the book, this has been a 2000 long year experiment - keep the definition and meaning of the Greek word - :": CHRIST :": remaining in ancient Greek and not translated to the meaning of - - the - - " " ANOINTING " " spirit of the Father


:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

:23 It was therefore necessary that the examples of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

through the Eternal Spirit, Holy of the Father, who himself, he has suffered and shed his very own blood - in the Anointed ONLY sanctified son - born of the Father

the Father manifested in flesh