Tell me if I have this right about your idea of what happens in heaven

[Cameron143]

Benson Commentary
Jude 1:6. And the angels which kept not their first estate — Or, as the clause may be rendered, their first dignity, or principality, (see on 2 Peter 2:4,) namely, the dignity or principality assigned them; but left their own habitation — Properly their own by the free gift of God. The apostle’s manner of speaking insinuates that they attempted to raise themselves to a higher station than that which God had allotted to them; consequently, that the sin for which they were and are to be punished, was pride and rebellion.

I don't disagree with this assessment as being their initial and principle sin. But it isn't a totality of their sin. Neither does it negate their understanding of the created order.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

You don't know me or the circumstances of my dating. I'll take the words of my friends who watched and talked to me.....John, you're doing everything you can, it just hasn't happened......John, I have never seen anyone put so much into dating and come up with nothing.....John, you're single but it's not for lack of trying.

Maybe your friends are lying to you.
Maybe they are afraid to tell you the truth for hurting your feelings.
Trying hard at dating dont amount to doodley squat (its actually counter productive) especially if you bring nothing further to the table. All ya talk about here is trying to get in a womans pants.

 

[JohnB]

Maybe your friends are lying to you.
Maybe they are afraid to tell you the truth for hurting your feelings.
Trying hard at dating dont amount to doodley squat (its actually counter productive) especially if you bring nothing further to the table. All ya talk about here is trying to get in a womans pants.

Sure just make up things that make YOU look like an idiot. You know nothing and your post proves it.

 

[JohnB]

Maybe your friends are lying to you.
Maybe they are afraid to tell you the truth for hurting your feelings.
Trying hard at dating dont amount to doodley squat (its actually counter productive) especially if you bring nothing further to the table. All ya talk about here is trying to get in a womans pants.

Will everyone in heaven be neutered? Try selling when you witness to anyone.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Will everyone in heaven be neutered? Try selling when you witness to anyone.

I never said that. Not even once.
Anyway we are done. You dont have to speak to me ever again

 

[JohnB]

I never said that. Not even once.
Anyway we are done. You dont have to speak to me ever again

If there's no sex in heaven, than everyone in heaven must be neutered. Sorry that might upset you.

 

[Cameron143]

If there's no sex in heaven, than everyone in heaven must be neutered. Sorry that might upset you.

This isn't the only possibility. There are people, believe it or not, that are not neutered and who refrain from sex. Among this group are some who have no desire for sex. So...if it's possible in a fallen realm, surely it is possible in a sin-free environment.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Based on that idea, there are no daughters of GOD. Does everyone become a neutered male in heaven?

If that is how you define sons of God.

 

[JohnB]

This isn't the only possibility. There are people, believe it or not, that are not neutered and who refrain from sex. Among this group are some who have no desire for sex. So...if it's possible in a fallen realm, surely it is possible in a sin-free environment.

once again, the angels in Genesis 6 had physical desires. No reason to believe we won't. We will have new bodies, eat, drink, work, and have homes. The Song of Solomon shows GOD rejoice in couples enjoying sex, something he created.

 

[FollowingtheWay]

Maybe the Gen 6

once again, the angels in Genesis 6 had physical desires. No reason to believe we won't. We will have new bodies, eat, drink, work, and have homes. The Song of Solomon shows GOD rejoice in couples enjoying sex, something he created.

What if those Gen6 angels are fallen aka the demonic? It would make sense, Notice their offspring the nephilim are not spoken about in a glorious holy light in scripture but are associated with wickedness. I don’t think those Gen 6 angels are something we want to point at for a holy example but instead it screams perversion at such a level God was sorry he made man according to that chapter. Now Songs yes that is showing perfectly healthy sexuality between a husband and wife. But in songs there is a courtship and a marriage happening before the sex. Songs is in the context of Marriage

 

[Cameron143]

once again, the angels in Genesis 6 had physical desires. No reason to believe we won't. We will have new bodies, eat, drink, work, and have homes. The Song of Solomon shows GOD rejoice in couples enjoying sex, something he created.

You assume that Genesis 6 is speaking of angels. You assume glorified bodies have a built in desire for sex. The Song of Solomon deals with life under the sun and earthly bodies. You don't seem even to try to understand what others share with you.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Where did Jesus say there was no sex in heaven? Show me the verse. He said there was no marriage. That does not mean no sex.

He also said we will be as the angels in Heaven… You would need to show where angels in heaven were having sex, not angels on earth.
Where do you draw the line?
So can we have sex with anyone we want to in heaven? Since there is no marriage, there is no adultery…
What if some people can’t find a sex partner in heaven? Can they pleasure themselves?

 

[JohnB]

You assume that Genesis 6 is speaking of angels. You assume glorified bodies have a built in desire for sex. The Song of Solomon deals with life under the sun and earthly bodies. You don't seem even to try to understand what others share with you.

The Song of Solomon is a lyric poem written to extol the virtues of love between a husband and his wife. The poem clearly presents marriage as God’s design. A man and woman are to live together within the context of marriage, loving each other spiritually, emotionally, and physically.

Genesis 6 is about angels.

 

[JohnB]

Maybe the Gen 6



What if those Gen6 angels are fallen aka the demonic? It would make sense, Notice their offspring the nephilim are not spoken about in a glorious holy light in scripture but are associated with wickedness. I don’t think those Gen 6 angels are something we want to point at for a holy example but instead it screams perversion at such a level God was sorry he made man according to that chapter. Now Songs yes that is showing perfectly healthy sexuality between a husband and wife. But in songs there is a courtship and a marriage happening before the sex. Songs is in the context of Marriage

Clearly GOD did not ban these angels from having sex with humans. GOD rejoiced in the couple enjoying what he had created....sex.

 

[FollowingtheWay]

Clearly GOD did not ban these angels from having sex with humans. GOD rejoiced in the couple enjoying what he had created....sex.

In that same chapter, immediately following the nephilm.

“The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6‬:‭5‬-‭7‬ ‭ESV‬‬

I don’t think God was rejoicing per the chapter context. But He was grieved

 

[Cameron143]

He also said we will be as the angels in Heaven… You would need to show where angels in heaven were having sex, not angels on earth.
Where do you draw the line?
So can we have sex with anyone we want to in heaven? Since there is no marriage, there is no adultery…
What if some people can’t find a sex partner in heaven? Can they pleasure themselves?

Good point.

 

[Cameron143]

The Song of Solomon is a lyric poem written to extol the virtues of love between a husband and his wife. The poem clearly presents marriage as God’s design. A man and woman are to live together within the context of marriage, loving each other spiritually, emotionally, and physically.

Genesis 6 is about angels.

This seems an odd response given that you say the Song of Solomon refers to marriage and, yet, you acknowledge there is no marriage in heaven.

 

[JohnB]

This seems an odd response given that you say the Song of Solomon refers to marriage and, yet, you acknowledge there is no marriage in heaven.

you miss the part about GOD rejoicing with the couple enjoying what he created....sex.

 

[JohnB]

In that same chapter, immediately following the nephilm.

“The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6‬:‭5‬-‭7‬ ‭ESV‬‬

I don’t think God was rejoicing per the chapter context. But He was grieved

Man would have done that with or without the angels. Notice no mention of the angels, only man.

 

[Cameron143]

you miss the part about GOD rejoicing with the couple enjoying what he created....sex.

Everything God created is either good or very good. He created the sacrificial system, too. But it is no longer applicable. Can sex simply not be applicable in heaven?