Repent and be baptized, every one of you
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lets look at language
I called the doctor for I was sick - In this case, the reason she called the doctor. was because she was already sick
I called the doctor for I needed an appointment - In this case she called the doctor in order to receive an appointment
even in the greek, using the word eis.
Luke 11: 7
7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’?
they were with me eis bed
41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.
they repented eis the teaching of jonah
two greek examples of eis becuas used of something that had already happened..
so you would be wrong in your assumption
I called the doctor for I was sick - In this case, the reason she called the doctor. was because she was already sick
I called the doctor for I needed an appointment - In this case she called the doctor in order to receive an appointment
even in the greek, using the word eis.
Luke 11: 7
7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’?
they were with me eis bed
41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.
they repented eis the teaching of jonah
two greek examples of eis becuas used of something that had already happened..
so you would be wrong in your assumption
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He was an actor....
He played the role of the governor of Texas in a movie, where everytime reporters would ask him a question, he would answer them in a way that he actually said nothing about their question.... leaving them all asking each other "what did he say?"..... he did a dance routine to a song called "Dance a Little Sidestep"..... it's all about obfuscation.
Now you know. Or, as Sean Connery would say (another actor) "here endeth the lesson"....
He played the role of the governor of Texas in a movie, where everytime reporters would ask him a question, he would answer them in a way that he actually said nothing about their question.... leaving them all asking each other "what did he say?"..... he did a dance routine to a song called "Dance a Little Sidestep"..... it's all about obfuscation.
Now you know. Or, as Sean Connery would say (another actor) "here endeth the lesson"....
He was an actor....
He played the role of the governor of Texas in a movie, where everytime reporters would ask him a question, he would answer them in a way that he actually said nothing about their question.... leaving them all asking each other "what did he say?"..... he did a dance routine to a song called "Dance a Little Sidestep"..... it's all about obfuscation.
Now you know. Or, as Sean Connery would say (another actor) "here endeth the lesson"....
He played the role of the governor of Texas in a movie, where everytime reporters would ask him a question, he would answer them in a way that he actually said nothing about their question.... leaving them all asking each other "what did he say?"..... he did a dance routine to a song called "Dance a Little Sidestep"..... it's all about obfuscation.
Now you know. Or, as Sean Connery would say (another actor) "here endeth the lesson"....
Good thing the bible is not about acting, it has real people in it, who said real things that are true..
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No, I am not a Greek scholar, and I suspect you are not much of one, either. I do know a person on here who IS a scholar, but whether she chooses to enter this discussion is up to her.
I do know that God did not have the apostles write letters that needed a bunch of parsing of words, and "what if's"..... otherwise, we could claim that instead of being baptized, we should all be pickled, because the word baptizo was also used to describe pickling... the veggies were immersed in the liquid.
But honest, intelligent scholarship will show us the correct way to interpret the words, and only the intellectually dishonest will try to make the words say something that is contrary to the context of the conversation.....
I do know that God did not have the apostles write letters that needed a bunch of parsing of words, and "what if's"..... otherwise, we could claim that instead of being baptized, we should all be pickled, because the word baptizo was also used to describe pickling... the veggies were immersed in the liquid.
But honest, intelligent scholarship will show us the correct way to interpret the words, and only the intellectually dishonest will try to make the words say something that is contrary to the context of the conversation.....
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No amount of grammar tricks will change what is written. All the versions below are from "Greek scholars" and none of them use "because of the remission of sins". Nor is it used in Bibles written in other languages. You remind me of Bill Clinton when he tried to use the "well it depends what you mean by the word "is".
English Revised Version
And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Peter answered them, "All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift.
Good News Translation
Peter said to them, "Each one of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven; and you will receive God's gift, the Holy Spirit.
New Revised Standard Version
Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Message Bible
Peter said, "Change your life. Turn to God and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, so your sins are forgiven. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
American Standard Version
And Peter [said] unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Complete Jewish Bible
Kefa answered them, "Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!
New International Reader's Version
Peter replied, "All of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Young's Literal Translation
and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,
Wycliffe
And Peter said to them, Do ye penance [Penance, he said, do ye], and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, into remission of your sins; and ye shall take the gift of the Holy Ghost.
English Revised Version
And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Peter answered them, "All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift.
Good News Translation
Peter said to them, "Each one of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven; and you will receive God's gift, the Holy Spirit.
New Revised Standard Version
Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Message Bible
Peter said, "Change your life. Turn to God and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, so your sins are forgiven. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
American Standard Version
And Peter [said] unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Complete Jewish Bible
Kefa answered them, "Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!
New International Reader's Version
Peter replied, "All of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Young's Literal Translation
and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,
Wycliffe
And Peter said to them, Do ye penance [Penance, he said, do ye], and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, into remission of your sins; and ye shall take the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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No amount of sidestepping will say that the gift of the HS was based on being baptized.
as for because of.. thats all a matter of interpretation
You interpret it however you want.
in the end, we will be judged by what we believe.
eternity is to long for me to just guess something.. and not dig deep to see what it really says
as for because of.. thats all a matter of interpretation
You interpret it however you want.
in the end, we will be judged by what we believe.
eternity is to long for me to just guess something.. and not dig deep to see what it really says
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This is where your heart is. Your sensibilities refuse to accept the will of God as written in the Bible. How can a mere baptism in water be the point of our remission of sins??? Surely we must "dig deeper" until we can find something not so physically simple.
This is the difference between you and I. I will simply accept whatever the scriptures command me to do or believe. I do not see the need to "second guess" what is clearly written. If the Bible tells me to dip myself in vanilla pudding for the remission of sins, I will not insist on diagramming the sentence or twisting the "English of today" to muddy up the clear understanding of the verse.
You have the mentality of Naaman the Leper:
But Naaman went away angry and said, “I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? Couldn’t I wash in them and be cleansed?” So he turned and went off in a rage.
Not the blind man at the Pool of Siloam:
and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which is translated, Sent). So he went away and washed, and came back seeing.
Since no bibles use "because of" there is nothing to interpret. How do you interpret the following:
Mark 16:16
New International Version
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
No sentence diagramming or second person plural nonsense. Just be honest. What does it mean? No need to get out the backhoe.
Take off the faith alone regeneration theology blinders and simply be a Christian.
This is the difference between you and I. I will simply accept whatever the scriptures command me to do or believe. I do not see the need to "second guess" what is clearly written. If the Bible tells me to dip myself in vanilla pudding for the remission of sins, I will not insist on diagramming the sentence or twisting the "English of today" to muddy up the clear understanding of the verse.
You have the mentality of Naaman the Leper:
But Naaman went away angry and said, “I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? Couldn’t I wash in them and be cleansed?” So he turned and went off in a rage.
Not the blind man at the Pool of Siloam:
and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which is translated, Sent). So he went away and washed, and came back seeing.
Since no bibles use "because of" there is nothing to interpret. How do you interpret the following:
Mark 16:16
New International Version
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
No sentence diagramming or second person plural nonsense. Just be honest. What does it mean? No need to get out the backhoe.
Take off the faith alone regeneration theology blinders and simply be a Christian.
English Revised Version
And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Peter answered them, "All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift.
Good News Translation
Peter said to them, "Each one of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven; and you will receive God's gift, the Holy Spirit.
New Revised Standard Version
Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Message Bible
Peter said, "Change your life. Turn to God and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, so your sins are forgiven. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
American Standard Version
And Peter [said] unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Complete Jewish Bible
Kefa answered them, "Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!
New International Reader's Version
Peter replied, "All of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Young's Literal Translation
and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,
Wycliffe
And Peter said to them, Do ye penance [Penance, he said, do ye], and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, into remission of your sins; and ye shall take the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I did not "rewrite" the above.
But it is you who seems to want to negate it with exceptions and loopholes, which are the tactics of the serpent.
Genesis 3:1
New International Version
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Does the Bible really say to be baptized so that your sins are forgiven? Surely there must be other ways that are more sensible.
And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Peter answered them, "All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift.
Good News Translation
Peter said to them, "Each one of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven; and you will receive God's gift, the Holy Spirit.
New Revised Standard Version
Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Message Bible
Peter said, "Change your life. Turn to God and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, so your sins are forgiven. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
American Standard Version
And Peter [said] unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The Complete Jewish Bible
Kefa answered them, "Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!
New International Reader's Version
Peter replied, "All of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Young's Literal Translation
and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,
Wycliffe
And Peter said to them, Do ye penance [Penance, he said, do ye], and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, into remission of your sins; and ye shall take the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I did not "rewrite" the above.
But it is you who seems to want to negate it with exceptions and loopholes, which are the tactics of the serpent.
Genesis 3:1
New International Version
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Does the Bible really say to be baptized so that your sins are forgiven? Surely there must be other ways that are more sensible.
Peter, Paul James John Luke, Mark and on have taught many things but the Lord, Jesus Yeshua is the final true Source of wisdom, knowledge and understanding. Oh, He is also known as the Holy Spirit, the Almighty God, the Eternal Father, Ruler of Pease and so many other titular descriptions of His Being, mainly because for so many, Savior does not seem to suffice.
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. *What happened to baptism?
John 3:15 that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. *What happened to baptism?
John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. *What happened to baptism?
John 11:25 - Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” *What happened to baptism?
It's not. Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify of Him, that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism?
Put down your shovel and believe the gospel. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
The gospel is a message of grace which is to be believed. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works (including water baptism) to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. John 3:36 - The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him. *Notice this belief is not in yourself, getting water baptized or in any other type of work. *Notice this belief is also not in Jesus "plus something else" otherwise the belief would not be IN THE SON.
I often hear water-salvationists erroneously compare the illustration of Naaman being healed from leprosy by dipping in Jordan and receiving healing with people being forgiven of their sins by dipping in the waters of baptism. If being healed from leprosy is an illustration of salvation, we have another case that reveals one can be saved without any water. Read it in (Luke 5:12-15). No water is found here.
Secondly, Naaman was not even a believer until after dipping in Jordan. He said "NOW" (after being healed) I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," (2 Kings 5:15) and vowed to worship only Him (vs. 17). If we follow this "example," we will have to baptized unbelievers! Naaman received cleansing from leprosy (not eternal life) after he dipped in the Jordan 7 times, but no sins were literally remitted for Naaman in Jordan. Likewise, water baptism does not literally remit sins.
The NT uses the experience of Naaman as illustrative of the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD and not of salvation by H20. Naaman was a heathen, not a believer, and did not know God until the miracle occurred. The purpose of the miracle had nothing to do with salvation by water baptism, but was to demonstrate "there is a prophet in Israel" (2 Kings 5:8) and that "there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," as Naaman found out. (2 Kings 5:15) So Naaman received healing from leprosy by dipping in the Jordan 7 times, but he did not receive the free gift of eternal life based on the merits of dipping in the Jordan 7 times.
The blind man received his sight (not eternal life) by obeying the Savior's command to wash in the pool of Siloam, but no sins were literally remitted for the blind man in the pool of Siloam. Likewise, water baptism does not literally remit sins.
By the time we get down to verse 34, we see that the Pharisees cast the blind man (who can now see) out of the Synagogue. Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him. (John 9:35-38) That is how the blind man who can now see received the remission of sins and eternal life. (John 1:12; 3:15-18; 3:36, 6:29, 40,47; 11:25.26; 20:31)
The only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that belief/faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.
The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
You need to be honest with Mark 16:16(b) and with 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26. You don't simply hang your hat on one half of one verse, build doctrine on it and ignore the rest. That's called flawed hermeneutics. Scripture must harmonize with other scripture.
Christians are those who have placed their faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).
It's works-salvationists who need to take off the blinders and believe the gospel (2 Corinthians 4:3,4) in order to become a Christian. Man is saved through faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. 1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
John 3:15 that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. *What happened to baptism?
John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. *What happened to baptism?
John 11:25 - Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” *What happened to baptism?
It's not. Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify of Him, that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism?
Put down your shovel and believe the gospel. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
The gospel is a message of grace which is to be believed. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works (including water baptism) to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. John 3:36 - The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him. *Notice this belief is not in yourself, getting water baptized or in any other type of work. *Notice this belief is also not in Jesus "plus something else" otherwise the belief would not be IN THE SON.
I often hear water-salvationists erroneously compare the illustration of Naaman being healed from leprosy by dipping in Jordan and receiving healing with people being forgiven of their sins by dipping in the waters of baptism. If being healed from leprosy is an illustration of salvation, we have another case that reveals one can be saved without any water. Read it in (Luke 5:12-15). No water is found here.
Secondly, Naaman was not even a believer until after dipping in Jordan. He said "NOW" (after being healed) I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," (2 Kings 5:15) and vowed to worship only Him (vs. 17). If we follow this "example," we will have to baptized unbelievers! Naaman received cleansing from leprosy (not eternal life) after he dipped in the Jordan 7 times, but no sins were literally remitted for Naaman in Jordan. Likewise, water baptism does not literally remit sins.
The NT uses the experience of Naaman as illustrative of the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD and not of salvation by H20. Naaman was a heathen, not a believer, and did not know God until the miracle occurred. The purpose of the miracle had nothing to do with salvation by water baptism, but was to demonstrate "there is a prophet in Israel" (2 Kings 5:8) and that "there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel," as Naaman found out. (2 Kings 5:15) So Naaman received healing from leprosy by dipping in the Jordan 7 times, but he did not receive the free gift of eternal life based on the merits of dipping in the Jordan 7 times.
The blind man received his sight (not eternal life) by obeying the Savior's command to wash in the pool of Siloam, but no sins were literally remitted for the blind man in the pool of Siloam. Likewise, water baptism does not literally remit sins.
By the time we get down to verse 34, we see that the Pharisees cast the blind man (who can now see) out of the Synagogue. Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, “Do you believe in the Son of God?” He answered and said, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” And Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.” Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him. (John 9:35-38) That is how the blind man who can now see received the remission of sins and eternal life. (John 1:12; 3:15-18; 3:36, 6:29, 40,47; 11:25.26; 20:31)
The only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that belief/faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.
The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
You need to be honest with Mark 16:16(b) and with 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26. You don't simply hang your hat on one half of one verse, build doctrine on it and ignore the rest. That's called flawed hermeneutics. Scripture must harmonize with other scripture.
Christians are those who have placed their faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 11:17; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).
It's works-salvationists who need to take off the blinders and believe the gospel (2 Corinthians 4:3,4) in order to become a Christian. Man is saved through faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. 1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
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this is where your heart is.
1. The gift of the spirit is only related to repentance. No amount of twisting of the language rules will change this
2. Show me in John 3 where jesus said we need to be baptized to be born again. One can not be born again under the penalty of sin. so please show in John 3 where Jesus tells us to be baptized to be born again..
1. The gift of the spirit is only related to repentance. No amount of twisting of the language rules will change this
2. Show me in John 3 where jesus said we need to be baptized to be born again. One can not be born again under the penalty of sin. so please show in John 3 where Jesus tells us to be baptized to be born again..
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sure, the cause here (Jonah's preaching) can be referred to like a
eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, purpose, result)
that the Ninevites were then at when it happened, in an abstract sense
and the remission part of "remission of your sins" (different from the result of the remission),
in your theory, would have already happened at the cross before then
thus being at (or in, on, etc.) like a place or time would be like being
at any place in 2022
or at any time in 2022
in 2023
this is, again, in addition to Peter suggesting that they were not (in bold)
Acts 2:40 With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.”
hence the various translations that don't use "at" or "because of"
which would make no sense if by using "for" she was
eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, purpose, result)
eg.
I called the doctor to I was sick
I called the doctor into I was sick
I called the doctor in I was sick
I called the doctor unto I was sick
I called the doctor at I was sick
I called the doctor throughout I was sick
etc.
eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, purpose, result)
that the Ninevites were then at when it happened, in an abstract sense
and the remission part of "remission of your sins" (different from the result of the remission),
in your theory, would have already happened at the cross before then
thus being at (or in, on, etc.) like a place or time would be like being
at any place in 2022
or at any time in 2022
in 2023
this is, again, in addition to Peter suggesting that they were not (in bold)
Acts 2:40 With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.”
hence the various translations that don't use "at" or "because of"
which would make no sense if by using "for" she was
eis: to or into (indicating the point reached or entered, of place, time, purpose, result)
eg.
I called the doctor to I was sick
I called the doctor into I was sick
I called the doctor in I was sick
I called the doctor unto I was sick
I called the doctor at I was sick
I called the doctor throughout I was sick
etc.
Or The Lord is using
Mark 16: 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
interchangeably with
Mark 16: 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
hence baptism being brought up in the first place
similar to how Peter seems to use
Acts 2:38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
which belief would be a part of, interchangeably with
Acts 10:43All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.”
or how Paul seems to use
Acts 10:2and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you became believers?”
interchangeably with
Acts 19:
3“Into what, then, were you baptized?” Paul asked.
“The baptism of John,” they replied.
Mark 16: 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
interchangeably with
Mark 16: 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
hence baptism being brought up in the first place
similar to how Peter seems to use
Acts 2:38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
which belief would be a part of, interchangeably with
Acts 10:43All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.”
or how Paul seems to use
Acts 10:2and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you became believers?”
interchangeably with
Acts 19:
3“Into what, then, were you baptized?” Paul asked.
“The baptism of John,” they replied.
I already thoroughly covered Mark 16:16 in post #193 and properly harmonized scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
What happened to baptism in Acts 10:43? Forgiveness of sins is connected with believes in Him and not with water baptism. You need to go back and thoroughly read post #193.
In regard to Acts 19:2, their answer to Paul's question, “we have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit” demonstrated that they were not yet believers in Jesus Christ unto salvation. Paul further asked, "into what then were you baptized? They said, “into John’s baptism.” Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were afterwards baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. There would have been no need to re-baptize them if they had already believed on Christ Jesus unto salvation. These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers on Christ Jesus then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is the exception, not the rule in every case of conversion, as in Acts 2 and Acts 10).
In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
What happened to baptism in Acts 10:43? Forgiveness of sins is connected with believes in Him and not with water baptism. You need to go back and thoroughly read post #193.
In regard to Acts 19:2, their answer to Paul's question, “we have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit” demonstrated that they were not yet believers in Jesus Christ unto salvation. Paul further asked, "into what then were you baptized? They said, “into John’s baptism.” Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were afterwards baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. There would have been no need to re-baptize them if they had already believed on Christ Jesus unto salvation. These disciples of John needed further instructions to become believers on Christ Jesus then afterwards, they received the Holy Spirit after Paul laid hands on them (which is the exception, not the rule in every case of conversion, as in Acts 2 and Acts 10).
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which should also mean properly explaining why baptism was brought up in the first place
what do you mean by "general cases"
especially considering believers, in general, also:
pray in Jesus' name
join churches
learn at least some scripture
etc.
none of which were mentioned
validity vs invalidity
no, baptism being unnecessary is one interpretation that seems [debatably] sufficient when this verse is isolated,
but not necessary from it
as mentioned The Lord could have been using "believe and is baptized" interchangeably with "believe"
meaning that being implied rather than expressed is What happened to baptism in Acts 10:43
same with confessing the Lord Jesus Christ, for example,
as a part of a particular nomenclature
hence the aforementioned examples, in which there is no grammatical evidence that "be baptized" is parenthetical, not that it would matter in this case
and hence the otherwise random use of "and is baptized"
which
"using "believe and is baptized" interchangeably with "believe" as a part of a particular nomenclature"
harmonizes with sufficiently
and does not require forsaking common sense when reading "and is baptized" Mark 16:16
or when reading Acts 2:38 alongside Acts 10:43, etc.
consider that "Repent and be baptized" in Acts 2 could include being baptized at some later point that God could foresee,
and respond to with a circumstance like Acts 10
if He wanted
or if God simply made an exception for Cornelius, as He has with King Hezekiah and Eli the prophet, if Peter would not have baptized Cornelius otherwise even though, for most people, they'd need to repent and be baptized.
Let's also, then, compare your (presumed) interpretation of Acts 10:45 with Acts 19 and Acts 8
Acts 19:5On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 6And when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. 7There were about twelve men in all
Not that I'm saying laying hands is always necessary, but if faith alone were necessary, did they all, twelve times in a row, happen to believe at the exact moment Paul laid his hands on them, yet having nothing to do with Paul laying his hands on them but only their faith?
Same here
Acts 8:
14When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15On their arrival, they prayed for them to receive the Holy Spirit. 16For the Holy Spirit had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then Peter and John laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
18When Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money
It demonstrated that the answer to Paul's question
“Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you became believers?”
was
“No,” they answered, “we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
which in itself does not deny being a believer, hence, as the point of note, Paul's assumption
Acts 19:3“Into what, then, were you baptized?” Paul asked.
If Paul didn't think they were at least claiming to be believers and responding with his assumption, then what in their answer was Paul assuming they were baptized for?