2 Tim 3:16 "The Value of God's Perfect WORD"

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BenAvraham

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2 Timothy 3:16-17

Complete Jewish Bible

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults, and training in right living; 17 Thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work.


1. Doctrine (Teaching the truth) what does this mean?

The Torah(Bible) teaches us that God is perfect in all ways, perfect in Holiness, and has existed from eternity past, is present now, and will exist in eternity future. God made man (and woman) in HIS perfect image (Tzelem) "shadow" so Adam and Eve were the walking, talking, "shadows" of the Holy God (YHVH)

Yet through sin, the perfect creation of mankind was stained and became imperfect. Sin came into the world by a man (Adam) and God sought a way to redeem mankind to himself once again.

This was accomplished through the "2nd Adam" (Yeshua our Messiah/Jesus The Messiah/God in the flesh) the "2nd Adam" paid for the sins of the "1st Adam" and includes everyone who has been born since then. Through the "New Birth" (John 3:3) we are "renewed" into right fellowship with our creator once again.

2. Reproof/convicting of sin/correcting faults

Through Moses, God gave us the commandments which were received on Mt. Sinai. Through studying and knowledge of the commandments (613 in all) many people only recognize 10. Sin is revealed to mankind. The commandments act as a "schoolmaster" to teach us what is right and wrong, what is Holy and unholy, and what is clean and unclean. When we apply the commandments to our lives, we correct our unrighteous ways and begin walking in righteousness. (right-living). We are "righteously saved through faith in Yeshua" to begin walking a "righteous lifestyle" through obedience to HIS Word. Yes, 613 commandments were given yet not all can apply for today, especially the commandments for the animal sacrifices.

3. Training in right-living (righteousness)

When we correct our faults, we look for guidance in God's WORD, and through the power of the Holy Spirit, begin the process of "right-living" or "righteousness". This is a life-long process which never ends. Righteous salvation is a "one-time event" yet "righteous living" is a constant action which is 24-7. We have been "righteously saved" to walk in "righteous works"

4. The Word of God equips us for all manner of good works (Mitzvot) and for that reason, each believer has been given gifts from the Holy Spirit to enable us to perform these works. When we put into action God's Commandments, we are putting into action good works. These will serve as "rewards" in the "World to Come". So, cease not in good works. continue steadfast until our going home.

I commented on this verse in light of beginning anew the study of the Bible from Genesis 1. Our yearly Torah reading cycle. The whole Bible is "Torah" (instruction) all 66 books. The Old Testament looks forward to the New, and the New looks back to the Old. Both the Old and New Covenants tell the whole story of redemption. The Old portrays the "Tzelem Mashiach" (The Shadow of Messiah) and the New "Messiah Yeshua revealed" (The Arm of the LORD revealed) (Isaiah 53:1)

May we look forward to another year of Torah study.



Ben Avraham

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The Torah(Bible) teaches us that God is perfect in all ways,
Sorry, the Bible isn't the Torah (the written Torah at least). The Bible contains the Torah, but it also contains a lot more. You're employing a semantics trick in an attempt to Judaize.
 

JaumeJ

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Bible means book.
 

ResidentAlien

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Made a typo above. Instead of:

"Sorry, the Bible isn't the Torah (the written Torah at least). The Bible contains the Torah, but it also contains a lot more."

It should be:

Sorry, the Bible isn't the Torah. The Bible contains the Torah (the written Torah at least), but it also contains a lot more.
 
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2 Timothy 3:16-17

Complete Jewish Bible

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults, and training in right living; 17 Thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work.


1. Doctrine (Teaching the truth) what does this mean?

The Torah(Bible) teaches us that God is perfect in all ways, perfect in Holiness, and has existed from eternity past, is present now, and will exist in eternity future. God made man (and woman) in HIS perfect image (Tzelem) "shadow" so Adam and Eve were the walking, talking, "shadows" of the Holy God (YHVH)

Yet through sin, the perfect creation of mankind was stained and became imperfect. Sin came into the world by a man (Adam) and God sought a way to redeem mankind to himself once again.

This was accomplished through the "2nd Adam" (Yeshua our Messiah/Jesus The Messiah/God in the flesh) the "2nd Adam" paid for the sins of the "1st Adam" and includes everyone who has been born since then. Through the "New Birth" (John 3:3) we are "renewed" into right fellowship with our creator once again.

2. Reproof/convicting of sin/correcting faults

Through Moses, God gave us the commandments which were received on Mt. Sinai. Through studying and knowledge of the commandments (613 in all) many people only recognize 10. Sin is revealed to mankind. The commandments act as a "schoolmaster" to teach us what is right and wrong, what is Holy and unholy, and what is clean and unclean. When we apply the commandments to our lives, we correct our unrighteous ways and begin walking in righteousness. (right-living). We are "righteously saved through faith in Yeshua" to begin walking a "righteous lifestyle" through obedience to HIS Word. Yes, 613 commandments were given yet not all can apply for today, especially the commandments for the animal sacrifices.

3. Training in right-living (righteousness)

When we correct our faults, we look for guidance in God's WORD, and through the power of the Holy Spirit, begin the process of "right-living" or "righteousness". This is a life-long process which never ends. Righteous salvation is a "one-time event" yet "righteous living" is a constant action which is 24-7. We have been "righteously saved" to walk in "righteous works"

4. The Word of God equips us for all manner of good works (Mitzvot) and for that reason, each believer has been given gifts from the Holy Spirit to enable us to perform these works. When we put into action God's Commandments, we are putting into action good works. These will serve as "rewards" in the "World to Come". So, cease not in good works. continue steadfast until our going home.

I commented on this verse in light of beginning anew the study of the Bible from Genesis 1. Our yearly Torah reading cycle. The whole Bible is "Torah" (instruction) all 66 books. The Old Testament looks forward to the New, and the New looks back to the Old. Both the Old and New Covenants tell the whole story of redemption. The Old portrays the "Tzelem Mashiach" (The Shadow of Messiah) and the New "Messiah Yeshua revealed" (The Arm of the LORD revealed) (Isaiah 53:1)

May we look forward to another year of Torah study.



Ben Avraham

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Can you provide a list of which of the 613 commandments is still applicable today? Also are the punishments described in the Torah still applicable for breaking the Laws that may still be applicable today? What about the whole Levitical priestly system? Does it still exist in any way?
 

BenAvraham

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That's why we need to study the Bible, of course, the commandments of the Levitical priesthood do not apply today nor the animal sacrifices. There are some commandments that only apply to women. There are some Bibles that have a list of the 613 commandments. One book is "The Mitzvot" (the commandments and their rationale) by Abraham Chill. A very good informative book, by Keter Books
 

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2 Timothy 3:16-17

Complete Jewish Bible

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults, and training in right living; 17 Thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work.


1. Doctrine (Teaching the truth) what does this mean?

The Torah(Bible) teaches us that God is perfect in all ways, perfect in Holiness, and has existed from eternity past, is present now, and will exist in eternity future. God made man (and woman) in HIS perfect image (Tzelem) "shadow" so Adam and Eve were the walking, talking, "shadows" of the Holy God (YHVH)

Yet through sin, the perfect creation of mankind was stained and became imperfect. Sin came into the world by a man (Adam) and God sought a way to redeem mankind to himself once again.

This was accomplished through the "2nd Adam" (Yeshua our Messiah/Jesus The Messiah/God in the flesh) the "2nd Adam" paid for the sins of the "1st Adam" and includes everyone who has been born since then. Through the "New Birth" (John 3:3) we are "renewed" into right fellowship with our creator once again.

2. Reproof/convicting of sin/correcting faults

Through Moses, God gave us the commandments which were received on Mt. Sinai. Through studying and knowledge of the commandments (613 in all) many people only recognize 10. Sin is revealed to mankind. The commandments act as a "schoolmaster" to teach us what is right and wrong, what is Holy and unholy, and what is clean and unclean. When we apply the commandments to our lives, we correct our unrighteous ways and begin walking in righteousness. (right-living). We are "righteously saved through faith in Yeshua" to begin walking a "righteous lifestyle" through obedience to HIS Word. Yes, 613 commandments were given yet not all can apply for today, especially the commandments for the animal sacrifices.

3. Training in right-living (righteousness)

When we correct our faults, we look for guidance in God's WORD, and through the power of the Holy Spirit, begin the process of "right-living" or "righteousness". This is a life-long process which never ends. Righteous salvation is a "one-time event" yet "righteous living" is a constant action which is 24-7. We have been "righteously saved" to walk in "righteous works"

4. The Word of God equips us for all manner of good works (Mitzvot) and for that reason, each believer has been given gifts from the Holy Spirit to enable us to perform these works. When we put into action God's Commandments, we are putting into action good works. These will serve as "rewards" in the "World to Come". So, cease not in good works. continue steadfast until our going home.

I commented on this verse in light of beginning anew the study of the Bible from Genesis 1. Our yearly Torah reading cycle. The whole Bible is "Torah" (instruction) all 66 books. The Old Testament looks forward to the New, and the New looks back to the Old. Both the Old and New Covenants tell the whole story of redemption. The Old portrays the "Tzelem Mashiach" (The Shadow of Messiah) and the New "Messiah Yeshua revealed" (The Arm of the LORD revealed) (Isaiah 53:1)

May we look forward to another year of Torah study.



Ben Avraham

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the law has this purpose it is not to show gods holiness it is to show man tbier sin

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to know righteousness we have to go to the gospel

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law however is not of faith and cannot justify

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We need the gospel because we live and exist by faith the law is for those without faith