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Thus saith the Lord, I know thy bloodshed that thou killest the thousands. I am He that knoweth the beginning from the end. I am He that knoweth that there is great wickedness within thy shores. I am He that seeth the ways of thy wickedness. Thus saith the Lord, How long will the world bear with thee? Nation of adultery and wickedness, I spare thee for those who love Me. Those who are wicked bring this nation to ruin. Thus saith the Lord, I am He that knoweth the beginning from the end. Who will be with thee. You are divided and weak and are servants to the lenders. Thus saith the Lord, for much bloodshed you pay a great price and avail nothing. You work all the day long for your harlotres and wickedness. Those who are rich are by no means charitable. Who has been poor in thy streets? Who has seen length of days in thy dwelling. Thus saith the Lord, I judge you to be luke warm. You are great and are the least. You are strong and are the poorest. You are mighty and thy captians are as the captains of a great host. Should I the Lord care for thee? Thou hast been rich and increased with goods. Thou hast been blessed for those who serve Me. Yet, saith the Lord, I see thy great wickedness as a whore. I see those who are neglected by thy hand. I see those who are slain by the thousands by thy works. Should I be forgiving unto thee. The destruction of Japan in abomination in My sight. Oh, ye who have slain the thousands as gods, woe unto you for I am that I am calleth to thee. Repent! Repent! and let your laughter be turned into morning. I am He that knoweth thy ways. You are neither hot nor cold. Repent! You are as a mighty man who is slave to those who abhor him. Repent! Thus saith the Lord, call on Me and I will answer thee. Repent!
 
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Apostles and Prophets and the Foundation of the Church
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That's not a prophecy, it's an OPINION, Jonathan.
 
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Look, Jonathan, I know you mean well, but ...

jonathanbchristian said:
The destruction of Japan in abomination in My sight.
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... America had nothing to do with the earthquakes that hit Japan, nor with the problems regarding it's nuclear reactors and the environmental problems that resulted from them, so why would the Lord be against us for that? Did we all stamp our feet really hard and cause the quakes or something?

In fact, didn't Jesus say "Or those eighteen, on whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think you that they were sinners above all men that dwelled in Jerusalem?" He didn't call that an abomination. He used it as a call to repent.

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Oh, ye who have slain the thousands as gods,
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What does this even mean? Is some guy dressing up as Thor and wiping out people?
 
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Look, Jonathan, I know you mean well, but ...



... America had nothing to do with the earthquakes that hit Japan, nor with the problems regarding it's nuclear reactors and the environmental problems that resulted from them, so why would the Lord be against us for that? Did we all stamp our feet really hard and cause the quakes or something?

In fact, didn't Jesus say "Or those eighteen, on whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think you that they were sinners above all men that dwelled in Jerusalem?" He didn't call that an abomination. He used it as a call to repent.



What does this even mean? Is some guy dressing up as Thor and wiping out people?
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You must have forgotten that the USA bombed Japan with two nuclear bombs that killed 150,000-246,000 Japanese people. God knows America from beginning to end. I don't believe He has forgotten. We are the only country to have used nuclear warfare. It's horrible to consider who we are in history.
 
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Maybe YOU forgot that Japan bombed Hawaii at the beginning of WWII. Get your facts straight.
 
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That is a false prophesy, Jonathan. Get a grip on yourself.
 
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Jonathan, you're not God. Why should I listen to anything that you say? You try to speak in an old English kind of way to imitate scripture but the original scripture was in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. What need do we have of any other words but the one's that Jesus gave? Jesus said "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

If Jesus' words are life what need do I have of your words? And if God's word is already written, what need do we have for more?

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

I can see that your fruit is not right. Now tell me. Why should I trust you? Why should I trust that your word is word from God? I don't trust anyone who uses their own word and not the word of God. I trust God, not man.

"And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
You must have forgotten that the USA bombed Japan with two nuclear bombs that killed 150,000-246,000 Japanese people. God knows America from beginning to end. I don't believe He has forgotten. We are the only country to have used nuclear warfare. It's horrible to consider who we are in history.
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Well, your statement is a bit unclear on that. Also, Japan wasn't destroyed, only Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Two cities does not a country make. We could have added Japan as a state and conquered it like most nations used to do with defeated countries, but we instead helped build it back up and made it an independent nation again. Something most countries don't do. Oh and about food lifts to Europe after WWII. You know, the Marshall Plan. Man, it's horrible what we did, acting so Christian to a battered people, helping them like that. How dare we help people who attacked us, like Germany. We are horrible.

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Maybe YOU forgot that Japan bombed Hawaii at the beginning of WWII. Get your facts straight.
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Oh, and that reminds me. Bataan Death March.
 
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Jonathan, you're not God. Why should I listen to anything that you say? You try to speak in an old English kind of way to imitate scripture but the original scripture was in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. What need do we have of any other words but the one's that Jesus gave? Jesus said "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

If Jesus' words are life what need do I have of your words? And if God's word is already written, what need do we have for more?

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

I can see that your fruit is not right. Now tell me. Why should I trust you? Why should I trust that your word is word from God? I don't trust anyone who uses their own word and not the word of God. I trust God, not man.

"And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."
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Wise words Sir, the Holyspirit has taught you well.
 
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Prophecy is God speaking about current things at times. It does not conflict with Scripture because it comes from God. To say there is no need to hear from God now is to tell God to 'shut up'. As I stated in another thread there were hundreds of prophets in the Bible who never wrote Scripture. Why are these prophets not Scripture writers if that's all a prophet does? Because prophets are not just writters of Scripture, like the major and minor prophets. They give messages to people, from God. God can speak about current events. Prophecy is not the only time in the New Testament we claim to hear from God. In tongues and interpretation, given by the Holy Spirit, we believe we are hearing from God through someone who is baptised in the Holy Spirit and has the gift of tongues and interpretation. I know lots of people who have this gift and I have heard them speak as the Spirit gave the utterance.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
Prophecy is God speaking about current things at times.
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This is true, but as near as I can tell, the prophets we know of also made specific predictions about the future by the will of the Holy Spirit. as a way of confirming their prophetic gift. You aren't doing that. Not that I'm asking you to tell me what I'll be doing next Wednesday, but I read what you write and it looks like a cut-and-paste of the Bible. Like ...

Thus saith the Lord. Thou shalt love the Lord the God with all thy heart. Have I not commanded thee? Only be strong and courageous. The Lord is a refuge for the oppressed, a stronghold in times of trouble. Extol the lord at all times, let your praise always be on your lips. Give thanks to the LORD, for He is good; for His lovingkindness is everlasting. Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him.

See what I mean? This is what your prophecies look like to us. And I literally did a cut-and paste, from the Ten Commandments, Joshua, the Psalms, and elsewhere. I'm not a prophet and no way would I claim to be one.

Now, what you're doing is glorifying and edifying the Lord. And I'm fine with that, we all need to do that. But it's not prophecy and to call it such is where you're running into trouble.
 
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Well, your statement is a bit unclear on that. Also, Japan wasn't destroyed, only Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Two cities does not a country make. We could have added Japan as a state and conquered it like most nations used to do with defeated countries, but we instead helped build it back up and made it an independent nation again. Something most countries don't do. Oh and about food lifts to Europe after WWII. You know, the Marshall Plan. Man, it's horrible what we did, acting so Christian to a battered people, helping them like that. How dare we help people who attacked us, like Germany. We are horrible.



Oh, and that reminds me. Bataan Death March.
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THE USA is the only nation in the history of mankind to not take the spoils of war. We went into debt rebuilding japan and the part of Germany which was ours. Japan and germany should be part of the US now. there was a time not to long ago where if we collected the debt these two nations owe us we would have been debt free.

Some people just do not get it. Yes we killed all those people. But thousands of more of our own boys and theres would have died if we did not do that. Thats called war. we did not start it they did.we did what we had to do to finish it.
 
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Yes, they do. The "message" at the top of this thread is not from God. As Maggie said, it is your opinion, at least parts of it.
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the more this man speaks the more he proves he is not speaking from God!
 
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systemdown101 said:
This is true, but as near as I can tell, the prophets we know of also made specific predictions about the future by the will of the Holy Spirit. as a way of confirming their prophetic gift. You aren't doing that. Not that I'm asking you to tell me what I'll be doing next Wednesday, but I read what you write and it looks like a cut-and-paste of the Bible. Like ...

Thus saith the Lord. Thou shalt love the Lord the God with all thy heart. Have I not commanded thee? Only be strong and courageous. The Lord is a refuge for the oppressed, a stronghold in times of trouble. Extol the lord at all times, let your praise always be on your lips. Give thanks to the LORD, for He is good; for His lovingkindness is everlasting. Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him.

See what I mean? This is what your prophecies look like to us. And I literally did a cut-and paste, from the Ten Commandments, Joshua, the Psalms, and elsewhere. I'm not a prophet and no way would I claim to be one.

Now, what you're doing is glorifying and edifying the Lord. And I'm fine with that, we all need to do that. But it's not prophecy and to call it such is where you're running into trouble.
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he has been told this so many times by so many people. he is not going to listen. He thinks he hears from God. and rebukes and condemns those who does not agree with him. It is sad.
 
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Being the " end times " we are all cautious of prophecies given today. Some are completely fake, some are excerpts of the bible joined up to sound/seem modern, others are quotes from books or other preachers of old etc. I once thought of doing something of the sort till I asked myself "to what gain?". I can sincerely say that I intended consciously or unconsciously to scare some/many people as well as seem quite spiritual. I realize now that doing such a thing would damage me more spiritually because I would be deceiving myself and living a lie as well as moving further away from the God I'm intending to be intimate with. It has to come naturally/truly otherwise it is just worse than an illusion.

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Jonathan's words may be true/false prophecy- won't judge that at the moment. Nevertheless, one can deceive some of us some of the time but cannot deceive all of us all of the time!
 
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It's not cut and pasted Scriptures to begin with. Why wouldn't God sound like His Scripture? These prophecys are from God, through the Holy Spirit. I know 100% for sure that they are from God because I am prophesing in the Holy Spirit at my house.
 
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All we need is the Word of God for the end of days. We all know that judgment is coming and "modern day prophets" shouldn't try so hard to defend themselves ;)
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
It's not cut and pasted Scriptures to begin with. Why wouldn't God sound like His Scripture? These prophecys are from God, through the Holy Spirit. I know 100% for sure that they are from God because I am prophesing in the Holy Spirit at my house.
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Just be a Spirit-filled believer and walk by faith and put away this prophecy stuff. You would make a much better believer with grace in your heart then having to be responsible for all of these prophecies you make. You would be better off resting in Christ and building yourself up in the truth. Take the gospel of Christ and go share it with a lost person in your neighborhood or on the street corner. Love them as Christ does and let your light shine to them, because they need it and it is the will of God for them and for us also.
 
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