No, No one has to prove anything. Nor do I need to see proof. God said it would happen. I trust God that he will keep his promise. that is all I need to know.
How do you know God hasnt already kept His promises to Israel?
If God made a promise. And satan kept God from fulfilling that promise. It would make satan correct. And God out to be a liar. Don't think for a minute satan is trying to keep God from fulfilling his promises. It is his only hope. and it is wht Satan is working so hard to kill every jew. and has been since they were born 4000 years ago.
I'm not sure what your getting at but Judaism as we know it today was born about the same time as Jesus. Judaism is NOT the religion of OT Israel.
I never said the jews were special. They are my enemy when it comes to the Gospel. My point is God made a promise to them.
Show me where God made a promise to Jews please.
Which Jews are you talking about and how do you know these promises havnt already been kept?
And even though they have not repented yet. That does not mean I will hate them when it comes to the election. (paul said they are to be loved according to election) Antisemetism of any kind is a dangerous thing.
Antisemitism is a dangerous thing. No one should be prejudiced or discriminatory against middle eastern looking people with dark skin/eyes/hair. That is racism.
What baffles me is why you bring this up in our communications?
Where have I shown a) hatred or b) mentioned anything about skin/eye/hair colour?
Also, do you apply Pauls words regarding Judhans to people who call themselves Jews today? If so...why?
It is not about what are they doing today. It was prophesied they would rejedct Christ.
Who are you talking about? Judhans or todays "Jews"?
and be cut off (which they are)
They WERE?
What is important is what will happen at some point in the future. God said they will repent. God will bring them back from every nation. He will restore them to their land. And he will firgive their sins, and all (at that time) who are of the children of Israel will be saved. Not because God made them. But they finally saw the light and repented. What they are doing today has no bearing on what they will do in the future.
Why does all that have to be future? why cant it have happened already?
God said he would restore them. If these jews are fakes. That does not mean there are not real jews out there.
Restore who? ancient Israel...ancient Judhans or modern "jews"?
If God said "I will" I trust God. to keep his word. It is what separates God from all other Gods. When God sais "I will" he keeps his promise. If he does not, or can not because of any circumstances. He is not God.
Friend, you can relax a little bit on this stuff ok?
When it comes to Gods promises, It most certainly does.
Maybe it matters to GOD but why does FLESH matter to us? We dont have a clue who's who do we?
God was not talking about the church.
The church is not Jospeh, or jacob, or any of the children of Isreal. We can not spiritualize a prophesy of God and make it true.
Was Paul spiritualizing when he said Christians are Abrahams seed and children of the promise?
I must interpret prophesy literally.
??
(Revelation 13:1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Is a huge multi-headed monster gonna rise out of the sea one day...?...?....
....wearing crowns?
If God says 70 years. he means 70 years, not more or less.
if he says 1000 years, he means 1000 years. not more or less.
When He says a thousand hills does He mean a thousand hills?
(Psalms 50:10) For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
If he says he will return all of the children of israel (flesh) from the nations where they were taken too because of their unbelief. I believe he will LITERALLY do this.
How do you know this hasnt already happened?
this can't be the church. the church was not taken captive and sent all over the world. Isreal was. Thus they can not be the fulfillment of this prophesy. Unless we reject the literal promise itself.
What prophecy are you referring to exactly regarding the return of the children of Israel?
I am not Jewish, or a Benjamin. or a gadite, or any flesh descendant of any of the children of Jacob (Israel)
And indeed no-one on Earth can claim they ARE!
God said how it would happen. as I showed you, it has not happened
I'm.....not sure you have shown me just yet.
I am not worried about who Israel is. I could care less today. But I do care that God fulfills his prophesies.
Is the Church spiritual Israel? Is it important for people to recognise this fact?
God said it will happen. It will happen. To deny it is to deny God. why would I want to deny it will happen?
What will happen? We know ancient Israel returned to their land after the exile.
I do care. Because of God does not literally fulfil his promises. He is not God. and if he is not God. I am wasting my time trying to follow him..
Hopefully this helps you see better my perspective.
It is not about Today, or who israel is. It is about God fulfilling his promises. and literally fulfilling ALL his prophesies.
Just trying to make sure your not applying these prophecies to any specific recognizable group living today thats all bud.
We're gonna have to sort out literal vs spiritual understanding of prophecy if we are to discuss the actual scriptures me thinks.
I assume you agree some NT prophecy is hugely metaphorical yes? Like Rev?
I assume you agree that at least SOME OT prophecy concerned the ancient House of Israel ONLY and is already fullfilled right?