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Jesus does not mention the Holy Spirit either when He speaks of coming to live within the believer in John 14:21, 23.
A perfect opportunity to mention the 3rd member of the trinity.
I've also never seen anybody point out that the many times Jesus declares He and the Father are one, He makes zero mention of the Holy Spirit.
A perfect opportunity to mention the 3rd member of the trinity.
I've also never seen anybody point out that the many times Jesus declares He and the Father are one, He makes zero mention of the Holy Spirit.
Hi,
Let’s see who of us cut out this verse in a sense since I loved the verse to prove the trinity. You said” God is ONE” when in fact there was no Greek word “Theos” is ever found in the verse so you have a wrong premise yet you add. Then, you said, “And He is Three” Who is this He? The verse didn’t say that. The verse says “For there are three…, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost” 3 Distinct persons in the Godhead and this refutes what Sabelianism taught of the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father etc.
Perhaps, I might be wrong but it isn’t. You are trying to fix an Oneness Theology in a Trinitarian proof. No way!
Let’s see who of us cut out this verse in a sense since I loved the verse to prove the trinity. You said” God is ONE” when in fact there was no Greek word “Theos” is ever found in the verse so you have a wrong premise yet you add. Then, you said, “And He is Three” Who is this He? The verse didn’t say that. The verse says “For there are three…, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost” 3 Distinct persons in the Godhead and this refutes what Sabelianism taught of the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father etc.
Perhaps, I might be wrong but it isn’t. You are trying to fix an Oneness Theology in a Trinitarian proof. No way!
Before 800 AD here are some facts about this controversial text.
“Dicit Dominus, ‘Ego et Pater unum sumus,’ et iterum de Patre et Filio et Spiritu sancto scriptum est: ‘Et tres unum sunt.’”
“The Lord says, ‘I and the Father are one,” and again, it is written of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit, ‘And these three are one.’”
- Tertullian (155-245) made a short version stating the “three are one”.
- The Latin church writer Cyprian (210 - 258) makes reference to the Johannine Comma in Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 5, Treatise 1, paragraph 6. Here is the full quotation:
“Dicit Dominus, ‘Ego et Pater unum sumus,’ et iterum de Patre et Filio et Spiritu sancto scriptum est: ‘Et tres unum sunt.’”
“The Lord says, ‘I and the Father are one,” and again, it is written of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit, ‘And these three are one.’”
- OK, let me stop here and do some math using a quote from Cyprian: Let’s assume he said the record for Trinity was about 250 AD, and that the epistle was probably written in Ephesus between 95 and 110 AD. Here’s the figure:
- 800 – 250 = 550, so you already have fallen short of about 500 years+ in history, and “until the year 800 AD” is very late.
1 John 5:7 doesn't teach or prove anything. It is a single verse. It can't be referencing a teaching from elsewhere in the Bible that doesn't exist.
Sound Biblical doctrine demands that a concept be confirmed throughout multiple books of the Bible. Many proponents of the trinity try to use many verses as proof texts of the trinity concept, but they are using them as supposed references to a teaching when that teaching does not exist. Simply put, if the trinity were a legitimate Biblical concept, there would not be any age-old endless debate about it. God would've made it so clear that there would be no question.
The very fact that it is still being argued about today proves that it is completely unsound. The Bible simply contains no teaching anywhere that God is three persons.
Sound Biblical doctrine demands that a concept be confirmed throughout multiple books of the Bible. Many proponents of the trinity try to use many verses as proof texts of the trinity concept, but they are using them as supposed references to a teaching when that teaching does not exist. Simply put, if the trinity were a legitimate Biblical concept, there would not be any age-old endless debate about it. God would've made it so clear that there would be no question.
The very fact that it is still being argued about today proves that it is completely unsound. The Bible simply contains no teaching anywhere that God is three persons.
It doesn't matter if the verse is legit or if it was written into the Bible by trinity-creators.
The verse is not supported by the Bible as a whole.
That's the point.
That's the safety measure that God built into His Holy book.
No verse can be taken from anywhere in the Bible and be used as the complete foundation for any sound doctrine unless that doctrine is supported by the entirety of the written Scriptures.
1 Jn. 5:7 doesn't matter at all.
The verse is not supported by the Bible as a whole.
That's the point.
That's the safety measure that God built into His Holy book.
No verse can be taken from anywhere in the Bible and be used as the complete foundation for any sound doctrine unless that doctrine is supported by the entirety of the written Scriptures.
1 Jn. 5:7 doesn't matter at all.
Well, the writer is the Holy Spirit and that does not matter at all to you and why should I resume with other scriptures that are also clear, then that wouldn't matter to you again. Your denial of the fact will be another sort of denial if I present another scripture. It's indeed a time waster.
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putting aside the debate and direct concept of the Trinity mystificated
please notice exactly what 1Pe 1: 10 - 12 is saying
⇝ :10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
⇝ :11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of The ANOINTING / CHRIST which was IN them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
⇝ :12 Unto whom it was revealed, that NOT unto themselves, but unto US, they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven.......................
this is explaining that the prophets did NOT receive the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ was never revealed to them - - - - - revealed, that NOT unto themselves, , but unto us - - - - they ministered the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven
but the very Spirit Holy Of God - - ☞ Christ / The Anointing was IN / INSIDE these very Old Testament prophets, as they suffered as prophets who were filled with Christ / The Anointing - in them and ..... ➣ their very suffering that they endured for the sake of the Anointing / Christ in them, signified and declared and testified the suffering of Christ / The Anointing - - to come in the future. which was _⚡_ manifestation of the Spirit Of God,, as - the Son Of God, Yahashua
this was not revealed to them as knowledge and understanding they understood - this was kept secret, hidden from them, UNKNOWN
they are a testimony that the Anointing / Christ was in them - they did not testify of the Son Of God, whom was born " Jesus The Anointing
he did not yet exist in human flesh and was not yet born as a son - and never was Co Eternal, Co Equal, Co omnipresent Son - the Spirit of God in him is the one eternal God manifested as the Christ / Anointing.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his 𝔴ord abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my 𝔴ord and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my 𝔴ord hath no place in you.
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the 𝔴ord of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my 𝔴ord hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the 𝔴ord which I have spoken unto you.
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the 𝔴ord of God.
Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the 𝔴ord out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the 𝔴ord ,
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the 𝔴ord of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the 𝔴ord of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his 𝔴ord is not in us.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his 𝔴ord , in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The 𝔴ord of God.
the word is what the spirit of the father always commands and sends - as a manifestation of anointing / Christ - the word.
we see in Act 3:18
:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
these prophets spoke and lived the life of the ANOINTING / CHRIST which was IN them did signify , when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,
by their very own suffereings the Prophets showed that Christ was inside them - the anointing
putting aside the debate and direct concept of the Trinity mystificated
please notice exactly what 1Pe 1: 10 - 12 is saying
⇝ :10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
⇝ :11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of The ANOINTING / CHRIST which was IN them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
⇝ :12 Unto whom it was revealed, that NOT unto themselves, but unto US, they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven.......................
this is explaining that the prophets did NOT receive the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ was never revealed to them - - - - - revealed, that NOT unto themselves, , but unto us - - - - they ministered the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Spirit Holy sent down from heaven
but the very Spirit Holy Of God - - ☞ Christ / The Anointing was IN / INSIDE these very Old Testament prophets, as they suffered as prophets who were filled with Christ / The Anointing - in them and ..... ➣ their very suffering that they endured for the sake of the Anointing / Christ in them, signified and declared and testified the suffering of Christ / The Anointing - - to come in the future. which was _⚡_ manifestation of the Spirit Of God,, as - the Son Of God, Yahashua
this was not revealed to them as knowledge and understanding they understood - this was kept secret, hidden from them, UNKNOWN
they are a testimony that the Anointing / Christ was in them - they did not testify of the Son Of God, whom was born " Jesus The Anointing
he did not yet exist in human flesh and was not yet born as a son - and never was Co Eternal, Co Equal, Co omnipresent Son - the Spirit of God in him is the one eternal God manifested as the Christ / Anointing.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his 𝔴ord abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my 𝔴ord and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my 𝔴ord hath no place in you.
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the 𝔴ord of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my 𝔴ord hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the 𝔴ord which I have spoken unto you.
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the 𝔴ord of God.
Luk 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the 𝔴ord out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the 𝔴ord ,
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the 𝔴ord of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the 𝔴ord of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his 𝔴ord is not in us.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his 𝔴ord , in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The 𝔴ord of God.
the word is what the spirit of the father always commands and sends - as a manifestation of anointing / Christ - the word.
we see in Act 3:18
:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
these prophets spoke and lived the life of the ANOINTING / CHRIST which was IN them did signify , when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,
by their very own suffereings the Prophets showed that Christ was inside them - the anointing
NICE TRY!
but here is what Cyprian was discussing: the Gospel of John 10:30, not 1 John 5.
but nice try making the attempt to slide that past me...
The earliest reference to what might be the Comma appears by the 3rd-century Church father Cyprian (died 258), who in Unity of the Church 1.6 quoted John 10:30: "Again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 'And these three are one.
this quote is actually interesting.
Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE, nothing about the Holy Spirit.
but the RCC Cyprian, forcefully slips, the Holy Spirit into this meaning.
which is NOT what Jesus was saying nor did say at all.
but here is what Cyprian was discussing: the Gospel of John 10:30, not 1 John 5.
but nice try making the attempt to slide that past me...
The earliest reference to what might be the Comma appears by the 3rd-century Church father Cyprian (died 258), who in Unity of the Church 1.6 quoted John 10:30: "Again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 'And these three are one.
this quote is actually interesting.
Jesus said, I and the Father are ONE, nothing about the Holy Spirit.
but the RCC Cyprian, forcefully slips, the Holy Spirit into this meaning.
which is NOT what Jesus was saying nor did say at all.
The Trinity is found in these verses, some from the OT!
2Co 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.
Lord Jesus Christ, God (the Father), the Holy Spirit, the Trinity!
Isaiah 48:16-17 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit have sent Me. Thus says the Lord, your redeemer”
Here is a person speaking who was there from the beginning, and says he is "the Lord, your redeemer", and He mentions "the Lord God and His Spirit" that is the Trinity!
Isaiah 42:1 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.”
Here God (the Father) speaks of his elect servant (Jesus) and His Spirit which is the Holy Spirit, and that is the Trinity!
2Co 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.
Lord Jesus Christ, God (the Father), the Holy Spirit, the Trinity!
Isaiah 48:16-17 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit have sent Me. Thus says the Lord, your redeemer”
Here is a person speaking who was there from the beginning, and says he is "the Lord, your redeemer", and He mentions "the Lord God and His Spirit" that is the Trinity!
Isaiah 42:1 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.”
Here God (the Father) speaks of his elect servant (Jesus) and His Spirit which is the Holy Spirit, and that is the Trinity!
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