Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism).

[Scotth1960]

Scott, can we please try and keep to rational debate. Your opinion on who is or who is not a holy man.

You keep trying to blow hot air about personal attacks. We are talking about the EO cultic system NOT individuals.


The Holy Priesthood is the Church that Christ founded, with Christ Himself as the high priest with ALL authority in Heaven and on Earth. That means the prisethood of the Kingdom of God which cometh NOT with observation are ALSO not OUTWARDLY priests like the hypocrites of the RCC and EO churches who are simply offshoots of the temple cult. The idea of a spiritual priesthood is proven throughout the entire NT.

Any religious group that claims they have high priests with authority over the flock is a pharisaical CULT like RCC or EO or indeed the third wave evangelial movement with all their false apostles and prophets.


No its not logical. Jesus TORE DOWN the old temple system. Now Christians worship God in simplicity and without the bells and incense and frills and robes and pomp and ceremony. We worship in SPIRIT and in truth. The temple of God is WITHIN us. We dont need any outward SHOW. Christ did away with the temple and all its ceremony. Thats got nothing to do with His moral law and the words of the prophets. That remains with us. Every attempt to cling to the temple system of OT Israel is pharisaical and false.

Dear friend.
So, the temple of God is within you. But it's not in the Church that Christ founded. I get it. The Bible is false. There is not a visible church, except for what I, Dr. Strangelove, say the invisible church is: it's a temple within us, that is, Strangelove and whoever goes along with him. You don't understand the Bible, because you are contradicting the Church that wrote the Bible. You use childish words like mushroom head and cult, and you don't get these words from the truth or from the Spirit of God. You criticize what you do not understand: the Church! You rely on your unproven doctrine of an invisible church that resides within yourself. Your own belief is self-contradictory. The true church is invisible; but the temple of God is with me, Strangelove. Really weird! No Christian can claim to be the whole church. I am not the whole church. We cannot say where the church is not. But we can say where it is. It's in the one holy catholic and apostolic church. It's visible, it's historical, it has seven sacraments and seven councils and one Creed of 381 AD without the Filioque. It originally was spread first of all through the Greek language. Thus it came to be called what it is: the Greek Orthodox Church.
God bless you.
In Erie Scott Harrington

 

[Strangelove]

Dear friend.
So, the temple of God is within you. But it's not in the Church that Christ founded. I get it. The Bible is false. There is not a visible church, except for what I, Dr. Strangelove, say the invisible church is: it's a temple within us, that is, Strangelove and whoever goes along with him. You don't understand the Bible, because you are contradicting the Church that wrote the Bible. You use childish words like mushroom head and cult, and you don't get these words from the truth or from the Spirit of God. You criticize what you do not understand: the Church! You rely on your unproven doctrine of an invisible church that resides within yourself. Your own belief is self-contradictory. The true church is invisible; but the temple of God is with me, Strangelove. Really weird! No Christian can claim to be the whole church. I am not the whole church. We cannot say where the church is not. But we can say where it is. It's in the one holy catholic and apostolic church. It's visible, it's historical, it has seven sacraments and seven councils and one Creed of 381 AD without the Filioque. It originally was spread first of all through the Greek language. Thus it came to be called what it is: the Greek Orthodox Church.
God bless you.
In Erie Scott Harrington

Plenty of diversionary hot air there. Much of it doesnt even make sense.

When are you gonna address the points in post #9?

When are you gonna defend your cult? You made this thread to do so yet you refuse to debate.

Lets take it slow.

1) Why do folks in the EOC practice vain repititions in their services?

 

[Scotth1960]

Plenty of diversionary hot air

there. Much of it doesnt even make sense.

When are you gonna address the points in post #9?

When are you gonna defend your cult? You made this thread

to do so yet you refuse to debate.

Lets take it slow.

1) Why do folks in the EOC practice vain repititions in their

services?

Friend,

You need to take it slower. "You can't handle the truth."

(Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men").

You exhibit little more than emotion-laden prejudice,

prejudgment, bigotry.

Your easily said dodge word "cult" makes absolutely no

sense!

You have already made up your mind without any historical

evidence that the EOC is a cult.

The folks in the EOC do not practice vain repetitions in their

services.

You are repeating that lie in vain.

You refuse to debate fairly. Your approach is illogical, and

you keep talking about me, not about what I said. You

repeatedly ignore, reject, and contradict what I say. You

repeatedly fail to understand what I say.

I don't know where you are coming from.

Somewhere from the 38,000 private interpretations of the

Holy Scriptures. I gather. Or so I gather.

What points in post number 9 do you want me to address?

Are you looking for a pre-made answer, or for the truth?

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Strangelove]

Scott...I've posted a youtube video of vain repetitions in the EOC. Post #9.

Lets take it from there.

Lord have mercy X40 in a row.

Here it is again...

LINK: Great Vespers, Saturday 1 Jan 2011 part 1 of 2 - YouTube

Please explain how this isn't vain repetition. Tell us how I'm lying. Back up your accusations. I have...can you?

Either deabte the points or concede that EOC is a pharisee temple cult. Simple as that.

Looking forward to hearing your views on that video I posted.

 

[Scotth1960]

Scott...I've posted a youtube video of vain repetitions in the EOC. Post #9.

Lets take it from there.

Lord have mercy X40 in a row.

Here it is again...

LINK: Great Vespers, Saturday 1 Jan 2011 part 1 of 2 - YouTube

Please explain how this isn't vain repetition. Tell us how I'm lying. Back up your accusations. I have...can you?

Either deabte the points or concede that EOC is a pharisee temple cult. Simple as that.

Looking forward to hearing your views on that video I posted.

Dear strangelove,
You're the one who says it is vain repetition. You ask me to explain how it isn't vain repetition. The burden of proof is on you. You need to prove it IS vain repetition. What Scripture says saying "Lord have mercy" 40 times in vain repetition?
You are the one who needs to back up your accusations. I didn't call you a cult. You called the EOC a cult. You haven't proven they make vain repetitions. You haven't proven they are mushroom heads. You haven't proven they are a temple cult. You also slander the OT. God ordained the temple in the OT as a tutor to prepare the world for the sacrifice of Christ. He didn't intend it to take away sins. He intended it to show wayward Israel that the messiah would be sacrificed as the atonement for the sins of all mankind.
That's what animal sacrifices were about: they were teaching tools for the one acceptable sacrifice: the lamb of God, Jesus Christ.
I don't have to watch a video to know it isn't vain repetitions. I have been to Orthodox Church services, and they do repeat the words Lord have mercy several times. It is very beautiful.
God bless you. If I say that more than once, is it vain repetition? God bless you, dear Strangelove!
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington August 2011 AD

 

[Scotth1960]

Scott...I've posted a youtube video of vain repetitions in the EOC. Post #9.

Lets take it from there.

Lord have mercy X40 in a row.

Here it is again...

LINK: Great Vespers, Saturday 1 Jan 2011 part 1 of 2 - YouTube

Please explain how this isn't vain repetition. Tell us how I'm lying. Back up your accusations. I have...can you?

Either deabte the points or concede that EOC is a pharisee temple cult. Simple as that.

Looking forward to hearing your views on that video I posted.

Dear Strangelove,
See the thread "Repetition in prayer is biblical and Jesus did it". That thread refutes your presupposition, your false assumption, that the EOC engages in vain repetition.
That thread tells the truth. The truth is the truth, regardless of who says it. In Erie PA USA August 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear Strangelove,
See the thread "Repetition in prayer is biblical and Jesus did it". That thread refutes your presupposition, your false assumption, that the EOC engages in vain repetition.
That thread tells the truth. The truth is the truth, regardless of who says it. In Erie PA USA August 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

Yes the truth is the truth, regardless of who says it.

James said those who do not work have a dead faith. Meaning they are not saved, and were never saved. James never said that works are essential for salvation, justification, eternal life or any thing having to make it to heaven like the EO says.

This is the only proof we need to know the Eo teaches a false gospel not from God, Of course there are many other proofs. But this is the most damning.

By the way that thred does not prove anything. As was properly posted in that thread. Jesus spoke different things all three times. He did not vainly repear the same words over and over again like the pharisees did.

 

[Strangelove]

Dear Strangelove,
See the thread "Repetition in prayer is biblical and Jesus did it". That thread refutes your presupposition, your false assumption, that the EOC engages in vain repetition.
That thread tells the truth. The truth is the truth, regardless of who says it. In Erie PA USA August 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

Sorry Scotty I'm not gonna allow you to split the topic into a bunch of offshoots to try and calm the impact of the evidences I'm bringing. you wanted to make an overarching topic defending the EO cult so lets keep it all together

1. Matthew 26:44
   And He left them again, and went away and prayed a third time, saying the same thing once more.

This is absurd.

This is not an example of repetition in prayer.

A repetition is when you say the same thing many times in a row. Like what happens here with the Lord have mercy's:

LINK: Great Vespers, Saturday 1 Jan 2011 part 1 of 2 - YouTube

What a miserable attempt at a defence.

 

[Strangelove]

Are you ever gonna tell me if the repose members of your congregation are saints Scotty?

Do I need to coax out an answer to every single point in post #9.

 

[Strangelove]

Are you ever gonna tell me if the repose members of your congregation are saints Scotty?

Do I need to coax out an answer to every single point in post #9.

Bump for Scott.

 

[Scotth1960]

Yes the truth is the truth, regardless of who says it.

James said those who do not work have a dead faith. Meaning they are not saved, and were never saved.

James never said that works are essential for salvation,

Dear friend,
If that is so, why did James say that by works a man is justified? James 2:24
If that is so, why did Paul say that faith "worketh through love" (Gal 5:6), if faith alone is all that is needed to be "saved"?
Scott


justification, eternal life or any thing having to make it to heaven like the EO says.

This is the only proof we need to know the Eo teaches a false gospel not from God, Of course there are many other proofs. But this is the most damning.

By the way that thred does not prove anything. As was properly posted in that thread. Jesus spoke different things all three times. He did not vainly repear the same words over and over again like the pharisees did.

[/quote]Dear friend, Kindly ... Quote the things that Christ said all three times and you will be correct in what you said. Otherwise, it could also be true that Christ said the very same words three times. I don't know. You're the one who insists He said something different. How do you know that?
God bless that. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

Are you ever gonna tell me if the repose members of your congregation are saints Scotty?

Do I need to coax out an answer to every single point in post #9.

Dear friend,
So, are you going to "let God" judge who is a saint, or who is not?
Or are you going to make a judgment that someone can't be saint because he/she was a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church?
God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

Sorry Scotty I'm not gonna allow you to split the topic into a bunch of offshoots to try and calm the impact of the evidences I'm bringing. you wanted to make an overarching topic defending the EO cult so lets keep it all together



This is absurd.

This is not an example of repetition in prayer.

A repetition is when you say the same thing many times in a row. Like what happens here with the Lord have mercy's:

LINK: Great Vespers, Saturday 1 Jan 2011 part 1 of 2 - YouTube

What a miserable attempt at a defence.

Dear friend, So, by your logic, if someone prays the Lord's prayer even more than one time, it's "vain repetition". For, by your logic, all repeated prayers are "vain".
God bless you. If I say those words more than once, am I wishing that God would bless you "in vain". I really do hope God blesses you. "God wants all to be saved". 1 Tim. 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9. In Erie Scott H.

 

[Scotth1960]

Any religious group that relies on man made tradition that nullifies Gods Word is Pharisaical.

Authoritarian hierarchical priestly system
Vain repetitions
Magic/sorcery (kabbalah)
Priestly robes match pharisee garb almost identitically.
Traditions nullify Gods law.
Idolatry
Necromancy/consulting spirits.

I'll be back later Scott.

Dear Strangelove, If you want the truth, you will not only read, you will believe and take to heart the thread "theological projection". Calling the Eastern Orthodox Church a pharisaical cult is a theological projection. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear friend,
If that is so, why did James say that by works a man is justified? James 2:24

Because it is by our works we can know our faith is not dead. James did not say we are saved or justified by works. he would contradict paul. who said we are justified by faith and not works. they can't both be right. Second You can't pick on verse and make a doctrine. You have to look at context. Context in james is dead faith. Not justified by faith.

f that is so, why did Paul say that faith "worketh through love" (Gal 5:6), if faith alone is all that is needed to be "saved"?
Scott

Did you read the whole passage? Here you go again taking a verse out of a passage and making a doctrine.

4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

The context is righteousness by faith through hope. And not of the law. For getting circumcised, or not getting it does not mean anything. It is our faith working in the love of God. Not works. You have horribly misused this passage to make a doctrine which it does not support. And no this is not a private interpretation. It is a literal translation of the verse.

Dear friend, Kindly ... Quote the things that Christ said all three times and you will be correct in what you said. Otherwise, it could also be true that Christ said the very same words three times. I don't know. You're the one who insists He said something different. How do you know that?
God bless that. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

differences in bold

1st prayer: Vs 39: He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as Your will.”

2nd prayer: vs 42: Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless[e] I drink it, Your will be done.”

3rdprayer: Literally in the greek. the same word. Word is singular. Not plural as it is interpreted.

He made the same plea. But he did not repeat word for word the same words. This is not a repetative prayer. It is a beg for mercy saying it different each time.

 

[Strangelove]

Dear friend,
So, are you going to "let God" judge who is a saint, or who is not?
Or are you going to make a judgment that someone can't be saint because he/she was a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church?
God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

So are you saying you dont know if repose members of your congregation are saints?

If thats what you are saying then I agree. Only God knows.

So my next question is do you pray through/to (same dif) the repose members of your congregation?

If you do then you may be praying to dead people, which is violation of Gods law.

Also, you cant be sure that those who are officially made saints by your EO councils and wotnot ARE actually Christians, only God can know....so venerating their bones, offering them prayers and kissing pictures of them is not only necromancy but also gross idolatry.

 

[Strangelove]

Dear friend, So, by your logic, if someone prays the Lord's prayer even more than one time, it's "vain repetition". For, by your logic, all repeated prayers are "vain".
God bless you. If I say those words more than once, am I wishing that God would bless you "in vain". I really do hope God blesses you. "God wants all to be saved". 1 Tim. 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9. In Erie Scott H.

Yes if someone prayed the Lords prayer twice in a row, one after the other it is vain repetition.

Your silly games are not helping you to defend your position. why dont you talk about the video I posted?

do you admit 'Lord have mercy" X40 is vain repetition?

 

[Strangelove]

Dear Strangelove, If you want the truth, you will not only read, you will believe and take to heart the thread "theological projection". Calling the Eastern Orthodox Church a pharisaical cult is a theological projection. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

I'm not interested in your vain philosophical threads Scott. I know you really want to let this topic die, coz you've bitten off more than you can chew. Sorry, not gonna happen bud.

You made this thread to defend the EO cult. Unless you do so against the charges I've made....that accusation is TRUTH. Calling the TRUTH a theological projection is itself a theological projection.

 

[Scotth1960]

I'm not interested in your vain philosophical threads Scott. I know you really want to let this topic die, coz you've bitten off more than you can chew. Sorry, not gonna happen bud.

You made this thread to defend the EO cult. Unless you do so against the charges I've made....that accusation is TRUTH. Calling the TRUTH a theological projection is itself a theological projection.

Dear Strangelove, Okay, so what is the TRUTH?
Sincerely, Scott R. Harrington, Erie, PA

 

[Scotth1960]

Because it is by our works we can know our faith is not dead. James did not say we are saved or justified by works. he would contradict paul. who said we are justified by faith and not works. they can't both be right. Second You can't pick on verse and make a doctrine. You have to look at context. Context in james is dead faith. Not justified by faith.
Did you read the whole passage? Here you go again taking a verse out of a passage and making a doctrine.

4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

The context is righteousness by faith through hope. And not of the law. For getting circumcised, or not getting it does not mean anything. It is our faith working in the love of God. Not works. You have horribly misused this passage to make a doctrine which it does not support. And no this is not a private interpretation. It is a literal translation of the verse.

Dear friend, So it's a faith working through love without works. How can something work with no works? That is just illogical! Also, Scripture says, "Faith without works is dead". So, again, you contradict the Scriptures! God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


differences in bold

1st prayer: Vs 39: He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as Your will.”

2nd prayer: vs 42: Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless[e] I drink it, Your will be done.”

3rdprayer: Literally in the greek. the same word. Word is singular. Not plural as it is interpreted.

He made the same plea. But he did not repeat word for word the same words. This is not a repetative prayer. It is a beg for mercy saying it different each time.