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[quote=SantoSubito;520114]Pray tell, when was this until know unknown ancient church founded?
(Awaits Baptist style trail of blood theory)[/quote]
Dear SantoSubito,
Pope St. Leo III condemns your modern papal addition of "Filioque". He was an Orthodox Christian in this, not a papist. It's strange you only believe the popes that disagree with Orthodoxy, and agree with Anselm of Canterbury, Aquinas, and Augustine, all of whom were inoovators and speculators (rationalizers) in some ways. Truth is not rationalism; it is rationalism and scholasticism that got Rome into trouble, and led to the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades.
Why do you believe Pope Benedict XVI, but you don't believe Pope St. Leo III? Your popes are in conflcit with each other; Leo III didn't go by his own private opinion, although in his own private opinion, he believed the Filioque was true. He went by the received faith "common to all the saints" (St. Jude 3). He placed holy plaques of silver in St. Peter's in Rome without the Filioque, plaques in Greek and Latin. These have been either destroyed or hidden or thrown away. Why? Because of "fear of Charlemagne, king of the Franks?"
Scott in Erie PA
(Awaits Baptist style trail of blood theory)[/quote]
Dear SantoSubito,
Pope St. Leo III condemns your modern papal addition of "Filioque". He was an Orthodox Christian in this, not a papist. It's strange you only believe the popes that disagree with Orthodoxy, and agree with Anselm of Canterbury, Aquinas, and Augustine, all of whom were inoovators and speculators (rationalizers) in some ways. Truth is not rationalism; it is rationalism and scholasticism that got Rome into trouble, and led to the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades.
Why do you believe Pope Benedict XVI, but you don't believe Pope St. Leo III? Your popes are in conflcit with each other; Leo III didn't go by his own private opinion, although in his own private opinion, he believed the Filioque was true. He went by the received faith "common to all the saints" (St. Jude 3). He placed holy plaques of silver in St. Peter's in Rome without the Filioque, plaques in Greek and Latin. These have been either destroyed or hidden or thrown away. Why? Because of "fear of Charlemagne, king of the Franks?"
Scott in Erie PA
Ya know...I try my best to live by the bible. I am human and I do struggle daily...but still...WHY DONT I EVER GET A REVELATION??????
Maybe I should stop reading the bible and one will come to me.
Maybe I should stop reading the bible and one will come to me.
we'll know you're successful when you start claiming to be a prophetess.
then you'll get to hang out at the prophets' house with the new kids.
i'll be over at the cessationists' house drinking your tea
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Friend, What about 2 Thess. 2:15? If Scripture alone is all that is permitted in the Church. St. Paul, St. Peter, Saint Andrew, Saint John, Saint James, Saint Thomas, St. Jude, St. Matthew, St. Mark, St. Luke, none of these could have preached ORALLY, because that would be "adding to the Scriptures". They would just read the Old and New Testaments, and wouldn't say anything more. But according to 2 Thess. 2:15, St. Paul did say some words not recorded in the New Testament. So, sola Scriptura is false.
Scott
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Ya know...I try my best to live by the bible. I am human and I do struggle daily...but still...WHY DONT I EVER GET A REVELATION??????
Maybe I should stop reading the bible and one will come to me.
Maybe I should stop reading the bible and one will come to me.
Beach Boys - Good Vibrations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCeD_6Y3GQc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCeD_6Y3GQc
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"With its unsophisticated teachings on Scriptural inerrancy and infallibility, Evangelical bibliology is a witless and unwitting idolization of the Christian Scriptures. Saint Hilarion the New Hieromartyr compares the Protestant attitude toward the Bible to the backward superstitions of Mohammedahism: "When people take the Gospel book, forgetting that the Church gave it to them, then it becomes like the Koran, said to have been dropped by Allah from the sky." (Holy New-Martyr Archishop Ilarion (Troitsky), Christianity or the Church? (Jordanville, NY: Holy Trinity Monastery, 1985), p. 35.). Truly the Scriptures were produced by the Energy of the Holy Sprit, for all Scripture is given by inspiration of God. (II St. Timothy 3:16.). But not only did the Spirit of God inspire the Holy Prophets and the Holy Apostles to author the various books of the Bible; He also inspired the Holy Fathers to canonize the Holy Scriptures, and He continuously inspires the Holy Church to interpret them for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. (Ibid.). Saint Ignatios of Caucasus sumarizes this plainly:
... [T]he rules of the Church require that Scripture be understood oas the holy Fathers explain it, and not at all arbitrarily. By being guided in our understanding of the Gospel by the explanation of the holy Father, by the explanation received and used by the Church, we keep the tradition of [the] holy Church. [Bishop Ignatius (Brianchaninov), The Arena: An Offering to Contemporary Monasticism, trans. Archimandrite Lazarus, with an introduction by Archimandrite [Bishop] Kallistos (Jordanville, NY: Holy Trinity Monastery, 1982), p. 21.].
"For Evangelicals, consulting the Patristic witness is optional; for Orthodox, hwoever, it is imperative. The edifying exchange which took place between Saint Philip the Apostle and Saint Saint Djan Darada, the eunuch of Queen Candace of Ethiopia, serves as a pattern for the spiritual dependency which Orthodox have for the Holy Fathers. As the Apostle Philip catechized the Ethiopian eunuch, so did the Fathers instuct their disciples in Biblical exegesis, for they read in the book of the Law of God distinctly and gave the sense, and cause them to understand the reding. (Nehemiah 8:8.). To this day the Fathers ask of one reading the words of Scripture, "Understandest thou what thou readest?" (Acts 8:30.). An Orthodox Christian must respond to this paternal question with humbleness: "How can I, except some man should guide me?" (Ibid., v. 31.). An Evangelical, on the other hand, responds to it with haughtiness: "I myself possess the Holy Spirit; therefore I can understand what I read in the Bible without your guidance."
"In contrast to Evangelical arrogance, Saint Irenaeus of Lyonds indicates that "... where the Church is, there is the Spirit of God; and where the Spirit is, there is the Church, and every kind of grace. ..." [ [St.] Irenaeus, "Irenaeus Against Heresies," ed. the Rev. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, in Vol. 1 of The Ante-Nicene Fathers, American ed., rev. A. Cleveland Coce (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1885), p. 458.]. Without the Church an individual cannot possess the Spirit of God or receive His illuminating Grace, and therefore cannot properly understand the Holy Scriptures, for no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation. (II St. Peter 1:20.). Evangelicals pertinaciously ignore the Biblical maxim by adamantly advocating the self-sufficiency of Scripture, which in practice translates into a self-reliant interpretation of the Bible according to their own understanding. (Hosea 13:2.). Thus they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts ... heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears. (II St. Timothy 4:3.). Exercising personal prerogative in interpreting the Scriptures, as Evangelicals do is a disastrous pitfall, for in the Holy Bible are some things had to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest ... unto their own destfuction." (II St. Peter 3:16.)". [pp. 17-19: Hierodeacon Gregory. (1994). THE CHURCH, TRADITION, SCRIPTURE, TRUTH, AND CHRISTIAN LIFE: Some Heresies of Evangelicalism and an Orthodox Response. Etna, CA: Center for Traditionalist Orthodox Studies.].
God bless you Elizabeth(619). Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington August 2011 AD
The EO propaganda train just keeps rolling along.
Maybe you should defend your sect first Scott?
Still waiting on you here:
Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (Oh yes it is!)
Maybe you should defend your sect first Scott?
Still waiting on you here:
Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (Oh yes it is!)
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[quote=zone;520850]ahem...scotty? when you get a moment?[/quote]
Dear zone,
Just look what Strangelove does in another thread regarding tree of life versus book of life in Revelation 22:19.
He says, "I think it (Rev. 22:19) means ..."
A subjective approach, starting with this little, problem word, "I".
The true Biblical Orthodox Christian approach is in Acts 8:30-31. Understandeth what thou readest? How can I except some man guide me? We shouldn't try to "guide ourselves". We need men of God to guide us.
Men in the apostolic succession of the One Holy Church.
Protestants don't care much what the Holy Fathers, the Church Fathers say. They care more for "What Luther says" or "What Calvin says", what "The Protestant Reformers" say. Even they do not really follow "sola Scriptura". They follow their own Reformed traditions.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Dear zone,
Just look what Strangelove does in another thread regarding tree of life versus book of life in Revelation 22:19.
He says, "I think it (Rev. 22:19) means ..."
A subjective approach, starting with this little, problem word, "I".
The true Biblical Orthodox Christian approach is in Acts 8:30-31. Understandeth what thou readest? How can I except some man guide me? We shouldn't try to "guide ourselves". We need men of God to guide us.
Men in the apostolic succession of the One Holy Church.
Protestants don't care much what the Holy Fathers, the Church Fathers say. They care more for "What Luther says" or "What Calvin says", what "The Protestant Reformers" say. Even they do not really follow "sola Scriptura". They follow their own Reformed traditions.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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[quote=Strangelove;520860]The EO propaganda train just keeps rolling along.
Maybe you should defend your sect first Scott?
Still waiting on you here:
Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (Oh yes it is!)[/quote]
"It is so because I, Strangelove, say it is so." Pope Strangelove, Namibia in Turkey papacy
Maybe you should defend your sect first Scott?
Still waiting on you here:
Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism). (Oh yes it is!)[/quote]
"It is so because I, Strangelove, say it is so." Pope Strangelove, Namibia in Turkey papacy
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Dear Zone, So is Canada so bad that you would rather live in Togo. Get real, people, with this false country and nationality reporting! God bless America! It's still free. Who would want to live in Togo?
God bless the whole world, anyway, but America is blessed because we have freedom of religion. We don't try to make America Christian nation. That would mean more Spanish Inquisition and papist Crusades.
God bless you: God bless Canada, Zone. You should be happy to be a Canadian; I'm happy to be an American. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Oh! Canada!
God bless!
God bless the whole world, anyway, but America is blessed because we have freedom of religion. We don't try to make America Christian nation. That would mean more Spanish Inquisition and papist Crusades.
God bless you: God bless Canada, Zone. You should be happy to be a Canadian; I'm happy to be an American. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Oh! Canada!
God bless!