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The Wrecklessness of Believing that Satan is Already Bound
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Mr. Scofield uses scissors and glue:
2 Thess 2: remove/obscure the word NOW
Romans 11: remove/obscure the word NOW
new kids:
Acts 2:16
But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
make it say, this is LIKE what Joel said, but not really cuz there's a 2000 year gap in it, cuz there's a LATTER RAIN.
2 Thess 2: remove/obscure the word NOW
Romans 11: remove/obscure the word NOW
new kids:
Acts 2:16
But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
make it say, this is LIKE what Joel said, but not really cuz there's a 2000 year gap in it, cuz there's a LATTER RAIN.
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silverwind
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For Satan to be bound, he must be thrown into the bottomless pit (still future) so he cannot deceive the nations anymore. He will try to deceive a second time when he is loosed. Judging by our current world condition, I hardly think Satan is in his "pit".
The Kingdom is within us... 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ; (philip. 1) but it is not SET UP yet. It has begun, but is not complete.
I fully believe the millenium is a kingdom with a timeline, ON EARTH, because what would be the point of Christ's return in a visible sense,....???? The men that saw him go up were promised he would return in LIKE MANNER... visibly and with his army. Whatever happens after that.... we will see
There is no point in arguing about this. It will never be sorted out until Jesus' return.
The Kingdom is within us... 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ; (philip. 1) but it is not SET UP yet. It has begun, but is not complete.
I fully believe the millenium is a kingdom with a timeline, ON EARTH, because what would be the point of Christ's return in a visible sense,....???? The men that saw him go up were promised he would return in LIKE MANNER... visibly and with his army. Whatever happens after that.... we will see
There is no point in arguing about this. It will never be sorted out until Jesus' return.
Luke 17:20-21
The Coming of the Kingdom
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, 21nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
Matthew 21:5
"Say to the Daughter of Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.'"
Judging by our world condition:
1) basic civil biblical laws are still in place in pretty much every nation
2) Premiere league footie has just started again (Yay!)
3 ) People are going about their business quite happily. Busininess as usual
4) A coupla isolated 'wars' goin on (can hardly call them wars, more like empirical manouverings)
5) Me and zone are drinking banana dacharies on the beach.
Ya I'd say Satan is in his pit and bound up.
It's getting worse though. There will come a time soon when all hell will break loose on a global scale. And I dont mean like a world war, I mean like...every nation deceived into doing satans work against the Church. (although a world war could lead up to it).
The Kingdom is within us... 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ; (philip. 1) but it is not SET UP yet. It has begun, but is not complete.
I fully believe the millenium is a kingdom with a timeline, ON EARTH, because what would be the point of Christ's return in a visible sense,....???? The men that saw him go up were promised he would return in LIKE MANNER... visibly and with his army. Whatever happens after that.... we will see
There is no point in arguing about this. It will never be sorted out until Jesus' return.
But Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world!!!
**whaahhhh....stomps feet**
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- Genesis 3:1
NOW THE serpent was more subtle and crafty than any living creature of the field which the Lord God had made. And he [Satan] said to the woman, Can it really be that God has said, You shall not eat from every tree of the garden?
Genesis 3:1-3 (in Context) Genesis 3 (Whole Chapter) - 1 Chronicles 21:1
SATAN [an adversary] stood up against Israel and stirred up David to number Israel.
1 Chronicles 21:1-3 (in Context) 1 Chronicles 21 (Whole Chapter) - Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons (the angels) of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (the adversary and accuser) also came among them.
Job 1:5-7 (in Context) Job 1 (Whole Chapter) - Job 1:7
And the Lord said to Satan, From where did you come? Then Satan answered the Lord, From going to and fro on the earth and from walking up and down on it.
Job 1:6-8 (in Context) Job 1 (Whole Chapter) - Job 1:8
And the Lord said to Satan, Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who [reverently] fears God and abstains from and shuns evil [because it is wrong]?
Job 1:7-9 (in Context) Job 1 (Whole Chapter) - Job 1:9
Then Satan answered the Lord, Does Job [reverently] fear God for nothing?
Job 1:8-10 (in Context) Job 1 (Whole Chapter) - Job 1:12
And the Lord said to Satan (the adversary and the accuser), Behold, all that he has is in your power, only upon the man himself put not forth your hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.
Job 1:11-13 (in Context) Job 1 (Whole Chapter) - Job 2:1
AGAIN THERE was a day when the sons of God [the angels] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (the adversary and the accuser) came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
Job 2:1-3 (in Context) Job 2 (Whole Chapter) - Job 2:2
And the Lord said to Satan, From where do you come? And Satan (the adversary and the accuser) answered the Lord, From going to and fro on the earth and from walking up and down on it.
Job 2:1-3 (in Context) Job 2 (Whole Chapter) - Job 2:3
And the Lord said to Satan, Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who [reverently] fears God and abstains from and shuns all evil [because it is wrong]? And still he holds fast his integrity, although you moved Me against him to destroy him without cause.
Job 2:2-4 (in Context) Job 2 (Whole Chapter) - Job 2:4
Then Satan answered the Lord, Skin for skin! Yes, all that a man has will he give for his life.
Job 2:3-5 (in Context) Job 2 (Whole Chapter) - Job 2:6
And the Lord said to Satan, Behold, he is in your hand; only spare his life.
Job 2:5-7 (in Context) Job 2 (Whole Chapter) - Job 2:7
So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord and smote Job with loathsome and painful sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.
Job 2:6-8 (in Context) Job 2 (Whole Chapter) - Job 16:9
[ My adversary Satan] has torn [me] in his wrath and hated and persecuted me; he has gnashed upon me with his teeth; my adversary sharpens his eyes against me.
Job 16:8-10 (in Context) Job 16 (Whole Chapter) - Job 16:11
God has delivered me to the ungodly (to the evil one) and cast me [headlong] into the hands of the wicked (Satan's host).
Job 16:10-12 (in Context) Job 16 (Whole Chapter) - Job 16:12
I was living at ease, but [Satan] crushed me and broke me apart; yes, he seized me by the neck and dashed me in pieces; then he set me up for his target.
Job 16:11-13 (in Context) Job 16 (Whole Chapter) - Job 16:13
[Satan's] arrows whiz around me. He slashes open my vitals and does not spare; he pours out my gall on the ground.
Job 16:12-14 (in Context) Job 16 (Whole Chapter) - Job 16:14
[Satan] stabs me, making breach after breach and attacking again and again; he runs at me like a giant and irresistible warrior.
Job 16:13-15 (in Context) Job 16 (Whole Chapter) - Proverbs 15:11
Sheol (the place of the dead) and Abaddon (the abyss, the final place of the accuser Satan) are both before the Lord--how much more, then, the hearts of the children of men?
Proverbs 15:10-12 (in Context) Proverbs 15 (Whole Chapter) - Isaiah 14:12
How have you fallen from heaven, O light-bringer and daystar, son of the morning! How you have been cut down to the ground, you who weakened and laid low the nations [O blasphemous, satanic king of Babylon!]
Isaiah 14:11-13 (in Context) Isaiah 14 (Whole Chapter) - Zechariah 3:1
THEN [the guiding angel] showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at Joshua's right hand to be his adversary and to accuse him.
Zechariah 3:1-3 (in Context) Zechariah 3 (Whole Chapter) - Zechariah 3:2
And the Lord said to Satan, The Lord rebuke you, O Satan! Even the Lord, Who [now and habitually] chooses Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this [returned captive Joshua] a brand plucked out of the fire?
Zechariah 3:1-3 (in Context) Zechariah 3 (Whole Chapter) - Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, Begone, Satan! For it has been written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him alone shall you serve.
Matthew 4:9-11 (in Context) Matthew 4 (Whole Chapter) - Matthew 12:26
And if Satan drives out Satan, he has become divided against himself and disunified; how then will his kingdom last or continue to stand?
Matthew 12:25-27 (in Context) Matthew 12 (Whole Chapter) - Matthew 16:23
But Jesus turned away from Peter and said to him, Get behind Me, Satan! You are in My way [an offense and a hindrance and a snare to Me]; for you are minding what partakes not of the nature and quality of God, but of men.
Matthew 16:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 16 (Whole Chapter)
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Well, then what do they make a reference to in terms of their setting and time frame in contrast and comparison to (Jn 12:31 and Rev 20:3)? If you do not know, that I fine, but just say so. I am not trying to embarass you but only find out what you understand, that's all.
Still no idea what you want from me redster.
Your question is too complicated. And...I'm going to bed.
Maybe if you just explain your point in full I'll understand better.
G'night.
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Laodicea
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Satan is cast out of heaven but, is not bound until the beginning of the 1000 years, he will not be able to deceive cause there will be no one here.
Jeremiah 4:23-25
(23) I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
(24) I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
(25) I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Bottomless pit means a place of emptiness when Jesus returns His people will go to heaven for 1000 years while the wicked are destroyed and Satan and his angels are on earth in a place of emptiness darkness.
Revelation 16:18-20
(18) And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
(19) And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
(20) And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
You do not think that Satan is deceiving the nations and blinding the minds of those that believe not, even as we speak? If you don't, you are either incredibly blind or you have absolutely no discernment. Which one is it, blind or lack discernment? If you can't discern the tactics and strategies of the devil what good are you to the kingdom of God? Even the new babes in Christ have some discernment in this, but you just blow it off with terrible misunderstanding.
I have friends that have been serving God in Europe and Asia over the past (20) years preaching the gospel and building churches, and facing obstacles that they have had to overcome because the devil has many strongholds in the government and among the people and he did not want them there. These faithful men and women would not give in to this opposition and got wisdom from God and persevered through grace and truth and by faith trusted God and did not lean on the arm of the flesh. They had a calling from God and they never quit. The gospel is going forward even with that opposition. Are you going to call me a liar?
Don't you tell me that Satan does not have the power to deceive the nations through its government and people. Have you no idea of the weapons we have been given for this type of warfare, that includes the word which is the sword of the Spirit? Satan is the god of this world and its system and he does not like what God's people are doing when they invade his territory of kingdoms in this world with the glorious gospel. Stop being so deceived in your own conceit and get out of you ignorance and wake up out of your sleep.
We all love God and His word don't we? Rejoice and be glad and know that the battle is the Lord's
- 2 Corinthians 10:3
For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons.
2 Corinthians 10:2-4 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 10 (Whole Chapter) - 2 Corinthians 10:4
For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds,
2 Corinthians 10:3-5 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 10 (Whole Chapter)
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silverwind
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Zone, I agree with you on this, sis... it is in the midst of us... one day ALL will see him as King... Visibly.
But consider for a moment what the response would have been like if they had preached, "The kingdom of God is 2,000 years away." The message would have been disappointing, and public response would also have been disappointing. Jesus may not have been popular, Jewish religious leaders might not have been jealous, and Jesus might not have been crucified. "The kingdom of God is far away" would have been neither news nor good.
In the Olivet prophecy, Jesus announced that the kingdom would come after certain signs and apocalyptic events. But some of Jesus’ teachings and parables explain that the kingdom does not come in a dramatic way. The seed grows quietly (Mark 4:26-29); the kingdom starts as small as a mustard seed (verses 30-32) and is hidden like yeast (Matthew 13:33). These parables suggest that the kingdom is a reality before it comes in a powerful and dramatic way. In addition to being a future reality, it has reality right now.
The kingdom is relevant not merely because it is our future reward, but also because it affects how we live and think in this age. We prepare for the future kingdom by living IN it now, in accordance with our King’s teachings. As we live in faith, we recognize God’s rule as a present reality in our own experience, and we continue to hope in faith for a future time when the kingdom will be filled to the full, when the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord.
If there was no future Kingdom, what would be the point of the 2nd Coming?
SW
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AnandaHya
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destruction of the sinful world and establishment of a New Earth and New Jeruselum where God lives among His people as He intended from the beginning?
what is the point of a third coming?
concerning satan BOUND:
here's THE ONLY THING we are told satan is RELEASED TO DO (nullifying any questions about long lists about other things):
the ONLY place the thousand years is mentioned, the big controversy. what do we know from the single short chapter Rev 20?
he is bound.
there's a period called a thousand years.
he is released to:
Revelation 20:8
and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
that's it.
that's the whole story.
this means only one thing: for that period of time called a thousand years satan is not permitted to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle
that's all there is on his being bound for a thousand years.
there simply no possible way to move beyond understanding this chapter until we agree that there is one thing only mentioned with the binding of satan in Chapter 20.
there's a BATTLE.
it's at the end of the age.
God and Magog are mentioned.
this happens ONE TIME.
this either happens at the end of THIS AGE, before the Second Advent, or it happens at the end of a literal 1,000 years period AFTER the Second Advent.
there are only two choices.
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question:
if there is a literal period of 1,000 years on this earth AFTER The Second Advent, isn't the precise minute of the last battle (Rev 20) and the entire reason for satan being bound NULL AND VOID, since if we know exactly how many years from the moment Jesus returns until the time satan is supposedly released after the literal 1,000, there's hardly any DECEPTION involved is there?
so, before proceeding, is it possible to ONLY deal with Rev 20 and what it actually says, for now?
thanks (Redstser
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maybe we'll get to the bottom of the bottomless pit....HEY!
bottomless? satan must be floating up banging his head on the locked and chained lid because it's bottomless...if he stopped flying for any time he'd fall into eternal nothingness wouldn't he?
oh...maybe it's FIGURATIVE.
here's THE ONLY THING we are told satan is RELEASED TO DO (nullifying any questions about long lists about other things):
the ONLY place the thousand years is mentioned, the big controversy. what do we know from the single short chapter Rev 20?
he is bound.
there's a period called a thousand years.
he is released to:
Revelation 20:8
and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
that's it.
that's the whole story.
this means only one thing: for that period of time called a thousand years satan is not permitted to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle
that's all there is on his being bound for a thousand years.
there simply no possible way to move beyond understanding this chapter until we agree that there is one thing only mentioned with the binding of satan in Chapter 20.
there's a BATTLE.
it's at the end of the age.
God and Magog are mentioned.
this happens ONE TIME.
this either happens at the end of THIS AGE, before the Second Advent, or it happens at the end of a literal 1,000 years period AFTER the Second Advent.
there are only two choices.
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question:
if there is a literal period of 1,000 years on this earth AFTER The Second Advent, isn't the precise minute of the last battle (Rev 20) and the entire reason for satan being bound NULL AND VOID, since if we know exactly how many years from the moment Jesus returns until the time satan is supposedly released after the literal 1,000, there's hardly any DECEPTION involved is there?
so, before proceeding, is it possible to ONLY deal with Rev 20 and what it actually says, for now?
thanks (Redstser
)maybe we'll get to the bottom of the bottomless pit....HEY!
bottomless? satan must be floating up banging his head on the locked and chained lid because it's bottomless...if he stopped flying for any time he'd fall into eternal nothingness wouldn't he?
oh...maybe it's FIGURATIVE.
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silverwind
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silverwind
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The bottomless pit is also referred to as 'the deep'. In the beginning the Spirit of God was hovering over the deep. Perhaps there is a connection? Darkness, void, etc... I dunno...
Maybe we should do a study on the bottomless pit so we can understand what it really is and why the locusts get freed to torment men for 5 months; but Satan is bound in there now? It makes no sense. If Satan is Apollyon, then why is that not mentioned in Rev. 20?
Doesn't being bound mean 'he can't do anything'? like deceive? The BP stops him from being able to DECEIVE.. which he's doing a good job of right now.
The BP= prevention of deception. Lots of deception is going on right now. We all know that, no getting around it.
And Ananda, I never said anything about a 3rd coming?? Don't put words in my mouth. And ya'll shouldn't go around mocking those who believe Satan is NOT bound right now. Perhaps dig a little deeper as to what that really means.
Cheers
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Abiding
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Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, ,that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season..
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, ,that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season..
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.