The Wrecklessness of Believing that Satan is Already Bound
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Revelation 20:8-9
(8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
So if I understand you correctly you believe all of Revelation is symbolic, then that would mean the nations are symbolic the city is symbolic and even the fire is symbolic the list could go on.
(8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
So if I understand you correctly you believe all of Revelation is symbolic, then that would mean the nations are symbolic the city is symbolic and even the fire is symbolic the list could go on.
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Yet that is NOT what scripture says. It says when he is BOUND. He is not able to deceive the nations. It does not differentiate between christian and non christian. The "nations" would be ALL the peoples on the earth within their specific nations. In other words. Satan will not be able to deceive Iran, Iraq, Russia, The USA, Germany etc etc.
I AM looking at the text of that passage in (Rev 20:1-3), what else would I be looking at. Haven't I made that clear? I am not adding anything to the text or taking anything from he text, not figuratively, or by metaphor or by presumption, but just the straight meaning of the text and not depending on some individual's defunct interpretation and betrayal of the truth.
The reason that you fight like hell against this is because of what you think of Israel and the restrainer and of the anti-christ and your views of the rapture of the church and the second advent of Christ which are two different events. One keeps the church out of the Great Trib and the other (yours) puts the church in the Great Trib and you can't have the church caught up and out before the Great Trib because that would crumble the foundation that you worked so hard to build instead of accepting the one that we have given literally in the scriptures.
I am afraid that your 'Riddled' friend has betrayed the truth and turned to another. I love you Zone, but I will not compromise the truth with you in this area, even if it means that you refrain from speaking with me, and I do not prefer that at all.
The reason that you fight like hell against this is because of what you think of Israel and the restrainer and of the anti-christ and your views of the rapture of the church and the second advent of Christ which are two different events. One keeps the church out of the Great Trib and the other (yours) puts the church in the Great Trib and you can't have the church caught up and out before the Great Trib because that would crumble the foundation that you worked so hard to build instead of accepting the one that we have given literally in the scriptures.
I am afraid that your 'Riddled' friend has betrayed the truth and turned to another. I love you Zone, but I will not compromise the truth with you in this area, even if it means that you refrain from speaking with me, and I do not prefer that at all.
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So what about the city in Revelation 21 is that also symbolic? Cause Rev 20 is referring to the same city also interpreting prophecy does not work like that, a passage is either symbolic or literal.
The term bottomless pit in Rev 20:1 should have been translated as deep
G12
ἄβυσσος
abussos
ab'-us-sos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of G1037; depthless, that is, (specifically), (infernal) “abyss”: - deep, (bottomless) pit.
G1037
βυθός
buthos
boo-thos'
A variation of G899; depth, that is, (by implication) the sea: - deep.
Genesis 1:2
(2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Jeremiah 4:23
(23) I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Satan goes into the deep at the beginning of the 1000 years
The term bottomless pit in Rev 20:1 should have been translated as deep
G12
ἄβυσσος
abussos
ab'-us-sos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of G1037; depthless, that is, (specifically), (infernal) “abyss”: - deep, (bottomless) pit.
G1037
βυθός
buthos
boo-thos'
A variation of G899; depth, that is, (by implication) the sea: - deep.
Genesis 1:2
(2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Jeremiah 4:23
(23) I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Satan goes into the deep at the beginning of the 1000 years
you are free to believe what you like Red.
i reject dispensational theology completely, after spending hundred of hours of careful research and testing against the scriptures.
i reject pretrib rapture, which comes from dispensational theology, and the attending christian zionism cults and the dual covenant theologies that also go with that system.
it places GAPS in otherwise beautifully complete and flowing prophecies, it distorts the Character, Plan and Will of God, (i.e.: that He did not plan from the foundation of the world the gentiles would be joint-heirs...disp. theology says He was forced into Plan B when the jews took Him by surprise by rejecting the King) << ridiculous.
anyways. i recommend hundreds of hours of personal prayerful study if you hope to understand that amillennialists SEE the scriptures (wholly Chrito-centric) in a completely different light from dispensationalists.
not my job to argue or convince you - i've done my own homework and am very grateful to have done so, for His Grace to get me through it.
i reject dispensational theology completely, after spending hundred of hours of careful research and testing against the scriptures.
i reject pretrib rapture, which comes from dispensational theology, and the attending christian zionism cults and the dual covenant theologies that also go with that system.
it places GAPS in otherwise beautifully complete and flowing prophecies, it distorts the Character, Plan and Will of God, (i.e.: that He did not plan from the foundation of the world the gentiles would be joint-heirs...disp. theology says He was forced into Plan B when the jews took Him by surprise by rejecting the King) << ridiculous.
anyways. i recommend hundreds of hours of personal prayerful study if you hope to understand that amillennialists SEE the scriptures (wholly Chrito-centric) in a completely different light from dispensationalists.
not my job to argue or convince you - i've done my own homework and am very grateful to have done so, for His Grace to get me through it.
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I believe that they will all be bound cause he deceives through his agencies. God's people will be in heaven for the 1000 years while the wicked are dead during that time. The earth is 6000 years old and the next 1000 will be a rest for the earth.
2 Peter 3:8
(8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8
(8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
It is astonishing what believers will do to the scriptures and with the scriptures just because they will not accept or believe that Christ is coming back and appearing in the clouds of the air for His church and bride just prior to the start of the great tribulation that will be coming upon the earth as never before (Mt 24:21). The refuse to see how God could redeem sinners and make them saints before the rapture and by the same blood redeem and make them saints after the rapture during the tribulation. A Sunday school child can understand that and receive and believe that with their faith. They also refuse to see the mystery of the church, that was never prophesied by the OT prophets,(the pouring out of the Spirit upon all flesh was prophesied but not the formation of the church that Christ would be head) which also includes the catching away of that same church made of Jew and Gentile who believe. The false church and the ones who remain in unbelief and are alive will enter the time of the Great Tribulation. God has made it so easy to believe the truth and makes it so difficult to remain in unbelief.