Is it the ‘end of the world?’ or ‘the end of the age?’

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Pilgrimshope

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the Bible has a design that creates thorough and consistent doctrine but mostly we read it randomly and ask what does this verse or that verse mean ? The design is overwhelming and clear

God first always declares what he will do before he does it like this

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare:

before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s always repetetive and consistent and thorough always reminding of his promise and warnings



The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But his promise

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66:22‬ ‭

The new testement continues in the same consistency never changing his promises but further revealing them like this notice peters still talking about what Isaiah was talking about the same promises but joe more details and revelation to Christian’s

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.( this creation becomes the lake of fire for the punishment of the ungodly )



But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Notice this has to be accepted by faith because no one can look and see and touch the new creation yet we have to believe his promises nore one of the last things in the Bible is this same promise
Leaving believers with the true hope of his promise being fulfilled a vision of the Christian pilgrims home

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1, 3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The Bible teaches clearly this world will come to a violent fiery end when Jesus returns but clearly teaches God has promised a new creation not ruled by death and sin
 
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Gojira

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The earth will still be here but not very recognizable.

There will be survivors at end of the Tribulation of the tares.

The end of the age is correct IMO.

Wheat were reaped at Rev 14:14-15

Tares enter the vial and Bowl judgments
Yeah... the earth and the rest of the cosmos -- as I understand it -- will be restored, not wiped out, when all's said and done.
 

PaulThomson

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I admit there are things written in Scripture that are hard to understand. What I do is set aside whatever it is I’m having difficulty understanding; I’ll come back to it later. What I do not do is blame the Bible, especially the K.J.B., for my lack of understanding.

This post is concerned with Matthew 24:3: “The disciples came to him privately, saying, tell us, ---- what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”

At this time, the disciples had little knowledge of what lay ahead, even though they had been with the Lord for three + years. They were under the impression that Jesus was going to set up a new kingdom soon, very soon.

Mark tells us in Mark 9:32, which was pretty late in Jesus’ ministry, that the disciples should have understood the things Jesus was teaching, but “They (the disciples) understood not that saying and were afraid to ask.”

What saying were they afraid of? Verse 31, Jesus said to them, “The Son of man (Jesus) is delivered into the hand of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.” The words of Jesus had gone way over the disciples’ heads; they didn’t get it.

So, what did the disciples mean by “end of the world.” I suppose they expected a new creation, with a new King ruling in a new kingdom.

Question: Did the K.J.B. make an error when they put ‘world’ instead of age? Matthew uses the word “World” metonymically. Metonymically, means the word (world) is associated with something else and refers to that thing; in this case, it would be the creation. Put another way, the question would be, “When shall be the end of this creation?”

Hebrews 11:3, “Through faith, we understand that the worlds (this creation) were framed by the word of God,”

Matthew 13:40, “As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (this creation).”

Early in Jesus ministry, he told the disciples,

Matthew 12:32, Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven, “neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” Here, Jesus plants a seed that a new world (creation) is coming.

He also told them, in Matthew 13:39, The harvest will be at “the end of the world;”

Verse 40, The tare will be gathered and burned at “the end of this world.”

In Revelation 21:1, John sees a “New heaven and a new earth: the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

The K.J.B. has it right: there will be an end to this world.
The Received Text greek word in Matt.24:3 is "of the age/time period" (aiOnos). Not "of the world/creation" (kosmou). I believe they are asking about the transition from this age where satan reigns on earth to the beginning of the coming age when Christ will reign from Jerusalem for 1000 years. I don't think they are asking about the transition from this physical world to the next created heavens and earth cosmos.
 

PaulThomson

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If you find the answer.

Will you realise the foundations are eternal .
Which Hebrew or Greek words are you translating as "eternal". Also, in today's parlance, "eternal" can mean either "timeless/atemporal" or endless/never-ending. Which meaning did you intend?
 
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The Received Text greek word in Matt.24:3 is "of the age/time period" (aiOnos). Not "of the world/creation" (kosmou). I believe they are asking about the transition from this age where satan reigns on earth to the beginning of the coming age when Christ will reign from Jerusalem for 1000 years. I don't think they are asking about the transition from this physical world to the next created heavens and earth cosmos.
But κοσμος is not creation but area container. It usually refers to a nation, and the verb that it is derived of means to place an object like an ornament? .
 

PaulThomson

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What do you do with these scriptures??

16 Then every one that survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of booths. 17 And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain upon them. 18 And if the family of Egypt do not go up and present themselves, then upon them shall[e] come the plague with which the Lord afflicts the nations that do not go up to keep the feast of booths. 19 This shall be the punishment to Egypt and the punishment to all the nations that do not go up to keep the feast of booths. Zech 14
There will be survivors of the antichrist's reign who neither took the beast's mark nor became Christians. These are the sheep in the sheep and goats judgment of Matthew 25. They aided persecuted Christians but did not realise they were serving Jesus in doing so. No Christian who helped other Christians would ask Jesus, "When did we see you sick, hungry, thirsty, imprisoned..."
So the resurrected saints will reign over the entire planet governing these survivors and their offspring for 1000 years while satan is bound IMHO.
 

PaulThomson

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But κοσμος is not creation but area container. It usually refers to a nation, and the verb that it is derived of means to place an object like an ornament? .
komeo primary root, to take care of --> komizO to have/make someone or something cared for --> kosmos something cared for
Its use in the NT suggest to me that it refers to an arrangement of physical realities, as distinct from a period of time and invisible networks of physical and personal interactions within it, which is what aiOn suggests to me.
 

Blik

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Many ages come to an end, so this age we are in "the information age" will end maybe, but scripture does not speak about the end of the world.
Scripture speaks in spiritual terms, we are flesh. We do not understand, completely, spiritual speech.

There are many prophecies given in scripture, some havee been fulfilled. We can look at how scripture has prophesied something that has happened, and there hasn't been one time that people understood the prophecy, yet over and over there are people who insist they do understand now. Man has always been wrong before, and man, you can be sure, is wrong now.
 

selahsays

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Is it the ‘end of the world?’ or ‘the end of the age?’
It’s the end of the flesh age. This happens at the 7th trump when Jesus returns at His Second Coming. What happens next? The Millennium begins.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. IMG_5750.gif

- 1 Corinthians 15:50-52
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Dino246

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#52
I admit there are things written in Scripture that are hard to understand. What I do is set aside whatever it is I’m having difficulty understanding; I’ll come back to it later. What I do not do is blame the Bible, especially the K.J.B., for my lack of understanding.

This post is concerned with Matthew 24:3: “The disciples came to him privately, saying, tell us, ---- what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”

At this time, the disciples had little knowledge of what lay ahead, even though they had been with the Lord for three + years. They were under the impression that Jesus was going to set up a new kingdom soon, very soon.

Mark tells us in Mark 9:32, which was pretty late in Jesus’ ministry, that the disciples should have understood the things Jesus was teaching, but “They (the disciples) understood not that saying and were afraid to ask.”

What saying were they afraid of? Verse 31, Jesus said to them, “The Son of man (Jesus) is delivered into the hand of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.” The words of Jesus had gone way over the disciples’ heads; they didn’t get it.

So, what did the disciples mean by “end of the world.” I suppose they expected a new creation, with a new King ruling in a new kingdom.

Question: Did the K.J.B. make an error when they put ‘world’ instead of age? Matthew uses the word “World” metonymically. Metonymically, means the word (world) is associated with something else and refers to that thing; in this case, it would be the creation. Put another way, the question would be, “When shall be the end of this creation?”

Hebrews 11:3, “Through faith, we understand that the worlds (this creation) were framed by the word of God,”

Matthew 13:40, “As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (this creation).”

Early in Jesus ministry, he told the disciples,

Matthew 12:32, Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven, “neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” Here, Jesus plants a seed that a new world (creation) is coming.

He also told them, in Matthew 13:39, The harvest will be at “the end of the world;”

Verse 40, The tare will be gathered and burned at “the end of this world.”

In Revelation 21:1, John sees a “New heaven and a new earth: the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

The K.J.B. has it right: there will be an end to this world.
Unfortunately, you didn’t do enough homework on this. Look at the Greek terms behind ‘world’ and ‘age’, particularly in Matthew 24. I see that others have already provided the key information.
 
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Don’t be impatient. It’s rude and unnecessary. Get on with your life and check back later. This forum is not like a live chat.
I agree patients is a virtue 😊

I was just letting the poster know I had been patiently waiting for an answer.

You know I was wondering how many of these discussions actually mean to people. 😊
 

Dino246

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To the thread’s title question: the correct word is ‘age’, not ‘world’. The KJV has it wrong here.

I see most people are talking about which age rather than which word. IMHO that only confuses the issue.
 
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OK. So, which Hebrew or Greek words are you translating as "forever".
I was not I was using Jesus christ as the cornerstone the Very foundation of the whole world,

Was searching a true meaning to foundation and came a cross Jesus 😊
 

SilverFox7

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But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Hey brother--Merry Christmas, and I certainly look forward to the "new heavens and a new earth" Peter refers to in the powerful verses above.

Our 6000 or so years of trying to live apart from our Creator on the whole has been a complete tragedy. War, poverty, disease, and greed has been a large part of our fallen world, and our damage is becoming exponentially more dangerous as we have increased in population with technological and military powers that could desolate and perhaps even destroy this planet if all out war happens between the "super powers."

As much as we hate living under these conditions and seeing all of the suffering taking place in this world, Jesus gives us the hope that we are redeemed from sin and Satan's control as His people, and He will return to establish a new age of justice, mercy, and truth under His leadership.

We have made such a mess of this planet living in this age of partaking of the knowledge of good and evil under Satan's coercion that God will burn the chaff and create a whole new age where love, righteousness, and lasting peace will prevail!