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point 1: makes a few assumptions. assumption 1: you assume that the snake was made as a cunning beast. when in fact the scripture is simply giving a description of this particular snake and saying it is mor cunning than any beast that God had made.

You assume that the serpent is a snake and snakes can talk; however, by hebrew def., the serpent is
one who speaks enchantments, or in this case a subtle lie. The serpent is a serpent because he has
already deceived Eve through subtlety, and he spoke Truth (don't eat) and Lie (don't touch) at the
same time (forked tongue). To think the serpent was a snake is the myth Paul warns us about in 2Tim.

assumption 2: You assume that Eve and Adam were the first sinners when they are actually the first human sinners. Satan sinned before Adam and Eve. sin originated in heaven not earth.

Did not sin originate in the Garden, which is the Third Heaven, when Adam ate the F. fruit?

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Was not Adam perfect and created in the Likeness of the Lord God? Did he not name the animals? Was
he not annointed and transformed when the Lord God breathed into his nostrils?


Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.



Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

All of these are spoken of before Satan made his play on Eve. By what means do you think Lucifer
thought he might be able to achieve all thse desires? Could it be the Forbidden fruit, because he thought
it could make him like GOD, as he told Eve?

Lucifer was a created angel who was with god but he began to look at the beauty that he had and instead of giving glory to the one who Crated him he began to exalt himself.

Point 2:

you argue from lack of mention, never a good or wise move. Eve is replying to the subject that the snake/satan has brought up. thus Eves answer. The tree of life is not the issue here clearly seen by the words of the snake and the answer of Eve. thus the subject is the point of discussion here. the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

You missed all the inconsistancies in her testimony!

Point 3:

You say that Adam was right there with her when she was tempted. this is also an assumption. the verse says:
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Now the "with her" statement you say means that Adam stood there while the snake tempted. but the intended meaning is that Adam was in the garden with her, not right next to her. how can we tell which one?
Oh, yeah; by whose intention? yours or some preacher? 'with her' means 'with her' in my book because
she could not give the fruit to him unless he was with her. (Wow)


1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Adam was not deceived thus he was not with Eve and the snake but when eve was deceived then she came and gave to Adam.

note real sure what you are getting at with points 4-8.
Seems to me you have much more homework to do to get all this right.


Adam and Eve were cursed with death to come. which would have come instantly had not Jesus been the promised saviour.

What or where did you get that from. God told Adam he would die the very day he ate the F. fruit. And
Adam died a spiritual death the moment he ate. God never told Adam he woould die a physical death,
just a spiritual one (Adam did not know he could die two ways).

You best stick to the 'milk' of the Word, and do not try to serve meat when you cannot even take it.
 
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SS, can you start a thread on this subject, and stop posting your delusions here please, and thank you.
 
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When you make God's word the traffic light of ur mind, then you are in the right track towards your glorious destiny. You will shine like a great light and men will see ur glory and give praise to God for your sake. God's word is already in ur mind, used it as ur traffic light.
 

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When you make God's word the traffic light of ur mind, then you are in the right track towards your glorious destiny. You will shine like a great light and men will see ur glory and give praise to God for your sake. God's word is already in ur mind, used it as ur traffic light.
men will see your glory?
and praise Him for your sake?
hmmm
 
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men will see your glory?
and praise Him for your sake?
hmmm
Yes like Jesus said

Matthew 5:17-19 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.


We are also called to be the light of the world. Isaiah tells us to "Arise, shine, your light has come,and the glory of the Lord rests upon you nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn." When we have the True Light of the world living inside of us we should shine like He did, men should be drawn to us, glorify God because of our good works, and an door will be opened to share with them the gospel.

''Our glory'' is in the indwelling Spirit of Christ.
 

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Rev3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, wich shall come upon the world, to try
them that dwell on the earth,
your thoughts?
 
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Jesus is beginning to adress the sinfulness and compromise we see in the American church. He is calling us to repentance as He did the churches in Revelation 2-3. In response to us turning from our sin, and surrendering to His Lorship. He will release a measure of the Holy Spirit never seen before in human history, restoring His Bride to her rightful place, spotless, blameless, walking in all authority here on Earth
 
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Rev3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, wich shall come upon the world, to try
them that dwell on the earth,
your thoughts?
I see we both had the letters to the Churches in Revelation on our minds....lol

I believe that verse has been falsely used by those that promote the pretrib rapture. I believe God will keep us from temptation as 1st Corinthians 10:13 clearly states. However He does not need to remove us from the Earth to do so. Moreover I believe if Jesus were to remove us before the tribulation, as some falsely teach then that would go against His own prayer to the Father.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

I do not know if you are pretrib, but if you are I do not mean to offend you. I would like to help anyone that has been brought up believing in the pretrib rapture come to the truth. If you would like I could post scriptural proof of the post trib rapture here or you can inbox me, and we can discuss the subject.

P.S. I was brought up pretrib, and believed it until I got saved, and started studying scripture for myself. To my shock I found out that it was not what God says in His word.
 
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Love for our King is what causes the Bride of Christ to live a diligent life of obediance, not religious motives such as guilt, and shame.
 

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I am not pretrib, I believe like the word says to him that overcometh, will I grant. I believe when and if and or he says, well done enter into the joy
of the Lord..I do not believe,once saved always saved. I believe what the word says to him that overcometh will I grant.
 
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I am not pretrib, I believe like the word says to him that overcometh, will I grant. I believe when and if and or he says, well done enter into the joy
of the Lord..I do not believe,once saved always saved. I believe what the word says to him that overcometh will I grant.
Amen, the pretrib doctrine and OSAS are perversions of the word created by Satan to weaken, and in some cases cripple the ''church''. However when the Apostate Church falls away during the Tribulation then the true remnant of God will rise up and begin to produce fruit after their own kind.


The generation in which the Lord returns will be filled with emotional brokenness that is unprecedented in Human history. The perversion and woundedness of the human heart will reach proportions unknown in history. Sinful perversion, occult activity, divine judgments, and martyrdom will reach the highest intensity ever seen.

Jesus describes the people of the last generation as being filled with bitterness, offense, and betrayal, with hearts growing cold in love. There will be an explosioon of pornography through their rapidly growing technological industries. There will also be an exponential spike in occult activity.

God will bring victory to His people by revealing His Son to us as our Bridegroom. The Bridal Paradigm has been reserved by God to empower His Church to overcome the coldest, most lawless, demonic, and sexually perverse generation in history. The Church/ Bride will live in the power of lovesickness that enables her to walk in victory over sin.
Ephesians 5
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.



Supernatural emotional strength will be vital in light of the coming global crises of social, spiritual, economical, political, and emotional disruption. Only satisfied people happy with God, wholeheartedly in love with Jesus Christ will be equipped to stand in that hour.

Paul prayed that we would be strengthened in our inner man with divine power through the knowledge of the love Christ has for us by which we will be made complete in Him. God will do this as He reveals to us the truth of Jesus as our Bridegroom and we as His Bride.
Ephesians 3
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God
 
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I wouldnt call you satan's spawn but you are falling into her trap. I pray God will wake you up before you go too far.
Do you beleive Satan is A "She"?
 
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I do not think Satan is a he or a she. God made man male and female. Satan is a angel, fallen angel to be exact.
Just cheking. There is a belief out there that Satan is the kabballistic "lillith" and tht Satan is in fact female. and that ties into the thought that the Holy SPirit is Femal as well, and then it gets really twisted, and really evil. And is put forth through kabballah/talmud and modern "Sacred name Cults" who are deceived into thinking that Modern Judaism is the religion of The OT Hebrews. SO they follow Rabinical judaism, and kabbllah(some) and end up adopting Jewish fables as doctrine, and it ruins the truth of JESUS in there hearts. Wanted to make sure that you werent being deceived by that line of thinking My Friend.

But you say you arent. Good. You Said "her" in regards to satan, so i wondered what that ment.
 
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Just cheking. There is a belief out there that Satan is the kabballistic "lillith" and tht Satan is in fact female. and that ties into the thought that the Holy SPirit is Femal as well, and then it gets really twisted, and really evil. And is put forth through kabballah/talmud and modern "Sacred name Cults" who are deceived into thinking that Modern Judaism is the religion of The OT Hebrews. SO they follow Rabinical judaism, and kabbllah(some) and end up adopting Jewish fables as doctrine, and it ruins the truth of JESUS in there hearts. Wanted to make sure that you werent being deceived by that line of thinking My Friend.

But you say you arent. Good. You Said "her" in regards to satan, so i wondered what that ment.
I got ya, I guess you have to go back and read the contexts of that convo, I do not want to rehash it.

However you are right Kaballah is dangerous, as well as the sacred name cult. Although I didnt realize they were connected.
 
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I got ya, I guess you have to go back and read the contexts of that convo, I do not want to rehash it.

However you are right Kaballah is dangerous, as well as the sacred name cult. Although I didnt realize they were connected.
Sometimes i dont think THEY realise they are connected either. Remeber Jesus BLINDS those who have no love for TRUTH. they cant SEE it. And thats ANY truth. If you dont love Truth about YOURSELF, Truth about THE LORD, Truth about SCRIPTURE, truth about the WOrld...etc...Sicne ALL truth coems from GOD, from JESUS who IS truth, Those who Do not love truth, CANT SEE. They are blinded. they have an idol in there heart, somthing they love MORE then Jesus, and they are blinded.

"Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and have put right before their faces the stumbling block of their iniquity. Should I be consulted by them at all?" Ezekiel 14:3

There sin is a stumbling block to them, and they CANT see TRUTH. SO all the while they think:

"Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods(spiritual), and have need of nothing; ..."

And yet, becasue of the Stumbling block of Sin they thnik they dotn have....

"and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:" Rev 3:17

Thats wh we must ALWAYS be in constant check with the lord to see were he sees us ,and where we stand with him. And What Doctrine we Actually are following.


So yeah, Sacred name cults, as well as many other sects/denmointations have more in line with Babylon they MOST know.

Jesus Bless you.
 
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So you really have no scriptural proof that angels were a creation apart from man, at least from the
accounting of Creation in Gen 1 & 2. Is it fair to say then, that what you believe about angels and
their creation is something you were taught by another, not something you have proved conclusively
for yourself by your own rightful dividing of the Word. I am not criticising you for i too was one such as
you, until i proved it for myself (it took me about 3yrs or so to convince myself that Adam was the
devil). The bottom line is this: you do not believe the Creation Account is complete, since you
believe He left out the part about angel creation. And for what reason God would do this is a question i
have already asked you to explain.

Which testimony is greater: God or man? Did not GOD say that the heavens and earth were finished
and all their hosts (Gen2:1-2), but still made not mention of angels? Why then do you believe
otherwise?? I suggest you start anew from the Beginning, and only believe what is written, not
what men say it should say. You will find the Truth, for it is simple and God does not wish to hide from
anyone.

SInce you obviously think i am deceived about Adam, would you help a lost brother out by providing
me with your proof that angels were not man glorified in the Beginning: or, rather, that Adam is not
the first angel Lucifer.

SS
Adam is "Lucifer" your correct. But lucifer is the FLESH NATRUE. its SATAN(powers of darkness/demons) IN MAN. Lucifer was a play on Words. God was MOCKING the King of Tyre. And Mocking The Devil IN HIM. ADAM is the flesh nature. What Jesus died to take us OUT of and INTO his Spirit. Please dont take it any further then that. Other wise you make your own doctrine. Adam does NOT = Devil/Satan. it MAY = Lucifer(mentioned ONCE) but Lucifer was MOCKERY...how man has named lucifer a name for the devil i have no idea... And in essence Lucifer HAS come to mean devil. But thats NOT what the scriptures say. Light bearer is a play on words. He was MOCKING the King of tyre, who condered hismelf to BE light, to BE like the most high, the king of Tyre was called the GOD king, He had built an island in the center of the SEA and claimed to BE GOD. Really. SO God sent Ezekiel to MOCK Him. And prophesy his FALL.

Satan was a murderer and a liar from the time he was created. He was never an
exalted archangel. He was never a worship leader in heaven. He was never Lucifer, the
light bearer. Satan was created as murderer and a liar. He was created as a waster
and a destroyer. (an axe/deciever)

"I have created the waster to destroy."
(Isaiah 54:16)


Sorry 4Runner to take over the thread. Just felt to put that out there.
 

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Contemplative prayer begins with “centering prayer,” a meditative practice where the practitioner focuses on a word and repeats that word over and over for the duration of the exercise. The purpose is to clear one’s mind of outside concerns so that God’s voice may be more easily heard. After the centering prayer, the practitioner is to sit still, listen for direct guidance from God, and feel His presence.

I wouldnt call you satan's spawn but you are falling into her trap. I pray God will wake you up before you go too far.
IHOP Elitism and the Truth about Centering / Contemplative Prayer

Here is an article by a guest writer on the truth about Centering or Contemplative prayer. Thanks (you know who you are)!

IHOP Elitism and the Truth about Centering / Contemplative Prayer
IHOP has all different kinds of people – mostly young – and gives them a feeling that they’ve “arrived”. They are taught many ‘new’ ways of ‘worshiping’ and in doing so, they find themselves feeling closer to God than they’ve ever felt before. The rest of the world out there (and we’re talking about “church world”) are looked down upon almost as though they’re a part of the enemy. Church attendance, Bible study, witnessing – to name a few – are looked at as though the people practicing them are only being religious or practicing “religiosity”. How do I know this? An ex- IHOPper shared with me about how he was when he was “in the thick of it” and how he is now, since his “eyes were opened”.

One of the things Mike Bickle and Allen Hood really promote is Contemplative Prayer. I will be the first one to agree that new stuff always has a “wow” connected to it.

I remember being part of Word of Faith years ago (much error there) and thinking, “Mom and Dad don’t know what they’re missing by going to their church. I wish they could come here and really experience what God is all about.” The parents I was referring to loved the Lord Jesus with all their hearts and had been faithfully serving in their church, wherever they’d lived, for as long as I can remember.

Contemplative Prayer is no different. There is a definite feeling of ‘wow’ once you do it. The problem is this… Contemplative Prayer, otherwise known as centering prayer, is actually an occult practice. (Some reading this will say, “No way! I’d never practice anything from the occult!” So read on.)

Contemplative “prayer” is actually TM – Transcendental Meditation. But you’re not focusing on “nothingness” as in TM, no, you’re repeating a word or phrase from your Bible over and over and over.. T H E N you allow your mind to “go off” into a place where “God can speak to you”. A place of ..silence… Then you feel ‘God’s presence’, hear the messages He’s speaking to you and know what He has for you. Or so you think.

http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/ihop-elitism-and-the-truth-about-centering-contemplative-prayer/



OCCULT TRASH
 

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Just cheking. There is a belief out there that Satan is the kabballistic "lillith" and tht Satan is in fact female. and that ties into the thought that the Holy SPirit is Femal as well, and then it gets really twisted, and really evil. And is put forth through kabballah/talmud and modern "Sacred name Cults" who are deceived into thinking that Modern Judaism is the religion of The OT Hebrews. SO they follow Rabinical judaism, and kabbllah(some) and end up adopting Jewish fables as doctrine, and it ruins the truth of JESUS in there hearts. Wanted to make sure that you werent being deceived by that line of thinking My Friend.

But you say you arent. Good. You Said "her" in regards to satan, so i wondered what that ment.
he meant me.
i'm satan because i despise The NAR/Dominionism and the New Kids Agenda (all the things he likes).