MYSTERY, BABYLON
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This is very very interesting Thing! MY BABY>>>> I should do a thread on it!
There is only one CITY on earth where God has chosen to put his NAME – Jerusalem. MY MY MY WHAT A JEW HATER!
Some people Just Drip with Hatred towards Israel on this Forum >>>> very interesting1
iS THAT O natural or something Else >>>>>>>. Very Interesting!
Mystery Babylon is a very complicated thing to Talk about on this forum , When the Basic prophecies are not understood and Perverted by most on the lower levels >>> maybe I will try some Day!
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No its not complicated to talk about, maybe talking for you is complicated. Do you own a bible? or just a keen ability to throw around insults without cause?
This is very very interesting Thing! MY BABY>>>> I should do a thread on it!
There is only one CITY on earth where God has chosen to put his NAME – Jerusalem. MY MY MY WHAT A JEW HATER!
Some people Just Drip with Hatred towards Israel on this Forum >>>> very interesting1
iS THAT O natural or something Else >>>>>>>. Very Interesting!
Mystery Babylon is a very complicated thing to Talk about on this forum , When the Basic prophecies are not understood and Perverted by most on the lower levels >>> maybe I will try some Day!
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No its not complicated to talk about, maybe talking for you is complicated. Do you own a bible? or just a keen ability to throw around insults without cause?
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[/QUOTE]What do I think!? I think you are on the right track Grandpa.
There is a "spirit of Babylon" that has been here since the beginning.
False religion Started in Ninevah and shot out through physical Babylon, and from there it has spread throughout the whole earth. You can read about this in Nahum.
Only now it is referred to as Babylon the Great. Same Spirit, but it has grown to it's full wickedness and has matured. People now worship all things, and the love of money and all the material things this world can offer is like a religion in itself. Men strive for it and worship the work of their hands, and everything the world can give is what is closest to their heart.
So the spirit of Babylon has been here the whole time and this spiritual kingdom is ruled by Satan.
There is a "spirit of Babylon" that has been here since the beginning.
False religion Started in Ninevah and shot out through physical Babylon, and from there it has spread throughout the whole earth. You can read about this in Nahum.
Only now it is referred to as Babylon the Great. Same Spirit, but it has grown to it's full wickedness and has matured. People now worship all things, and the love of money and all the material things this world can offer is like a religion in itself. Men strive for it and worship the work of their hands, and everything the world can give is what is closest to their heart.
So the spirit of Babylon has been here the whole time and this spiritual kingdom is ruled by Satan.
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Babylon Must Rise!
The prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah each spend two chapters detailing the catastrophic destruction that awaits this fabled city. The result of this final devastation will leave it uninhabitable; even the building materials will never be reused. This clearly has never happened in its history-its rebuilding was begun by Saddam Hussein, and it apparently is yet destined to reemerge on the world scene to receive the destruction which is so detailed by Isaiah and Jeremiah.
What further complicates this perspective are the details that are added in the Book of Revelation. These passages alone have prompted numerous books, and many fanciful conjectures, regarding the potential allegorical and metaphorical applications from the Patmos vision John recorded. It is illuminating to read-at one sitting-the six principal chapters dealing this topic: Isaiah 13 and 14, Jeremiah 50 and 51 and Revelation 17 and 18. (Some of the specific issues that emerge are summarized in this chart.
Clearly Babylon, as a literal city on banks of the Euphrates, has a climactic destiny yet ahead of it. The destruction described in both the Old and New Testaments has never happened , and if we take the Bible seriously then Babylon is destined to rise again to power to receive the judgment that Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the Apostle John have described.
We also need to recognize that during the successive empires, the "mystery religions" that began in Babylon were subsequently transported to the various world capitals: to Pergamos under the Persians1 and subsequently to Rome, where they became the foundation of all that was (and still is) pagan in that city.
And, of course, when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire under the second successor after Constantine, Theodosius II (A.D. 378-398), many of these idolatrous trappings were repackaged with "Christian" labels.
Many of these traditions are still very visible in the practices of the Roman Catholic Church, but are also visible, in more subtle forms, in many other denominations as well. Perhaps the most significant study of these practices and their history is Dave Hunt's milestone work, The Woman That Rides the Beast 2, which is a modern response to Alexander Hislop's classic, The Two Babylons , published in 1916.3
Are the prophetic references to "Babylon" to be taken literally-an actual city on the banks of the Euphrates-or metaphorically, to include the Vatican and the final apostate ("ecumenical") world church? There are many good scholars on both sides of this debate. It may well be that both views are true.
A Return to Origins?
The key to this apparent paradox seems to be hinted at in the enigmatic vision given to Zechariah, in which he sees a woman, labeled "wickedness," sealed in an ephah (the standard commercial volumetric measure in those days), with a lead lid enclosing her for transport:
Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
Zechariah 5:5-11
(Remember, this vision is Jewish: the "wings of a stork" implies something sinister: the stork was an unclean bird.)
This vision seems to portray the woman, labeled "wickedness" (perhaps the same woman portrayed in Revelation 17 as the "Mother of Harlots"), being relocated to where it all began: the plain of Shinar, the original location of Babylon and its sinister occultic religion. It would seem that it is located there to again rise to power and to receive God's final judgment
No its not complicated to talk about, maybe talking for you is complicated. Do you own a bible? or just a keen ability to throw around insults without cause?
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Well Go for it Bablylon and Mystery Babylon in Revelations >>>>>>>>>>>Go for ! Jesus bless Israel is Gods Time line1
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Babylon Must Rise!
The prophets Isaiah and Jeremiah each spend two chapters detailing the catastrophic destruction that awaits this fabled city. The result of this final devastation will leave it uninhabitable; even the building materials will never be reused. This clearly has never happened in its history-its rebuilding was begun by Saddam Hussein, and it apparently is yet destined to reemerge on the world scene to receive the destruction which is so detailed by Isaiah and Jeremiah.
What further complicates this perspective are the details that are added in the Book of Revelation. These passages alone have prompted numerous books, and many fanciful conjectures, regarding the potential allegorical and metaphorical applications from the Patmos vision John recorded. It is illuminating to read-at one sitting-the six principal chapters dealing this topic: Isaiah 13 and 14, Jeremiah 50 and 51 and Revelation 17 and 18. (Some of the specific issues that emerge are summarized in this chart.
Clearly Babylon, as a literal city on banks of the Euphrates, has a climactic destiny yet ahead of it. The destruction described in both the Old and New Testaments has never happened , and if we take the Bible seriously then Babylon is destined to rise again to power to receive the judgment that Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the Apostle John have described.
We also need to recognize that during the successive empires, the "mystery religions" that began in Babylon were subsequently transported to the various world capitals: to Pergamos under the Persians1 and subsequently to Rome, where they became the foundation of all that was (and still is) pagan in that city.
And, of course, when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire under the second successor after Constantine, Theodosius II (A.D. 378-398), many of these idolatrous trappings were repackaged with "Christian" labels.
Many of these traditions are still very visible in the practices of the Roman Catholic Church, but are also visible, in more subtle forms, in many other denominations as well. Perhaps the most significant study of these practices and their history is Dave Hunt's milestone work, The Woman That Rides the Beast 2, which is a modern response to Alexander Hislop's classic, The Two Babylons , published in 1916.3
Are the prophetic references to "Babylon" to be taken literally-an actual city on the banks of the Euphrates-or metaphorically, to include the Vatican and the final apostate ("ecumenical") world church? There are many good scholars on both sides of this debate. It may well be that both views are true.
A Return to Origins?
The key to this apparent paradox seems to be hinted at in the enigmatic vision given to Zechariah, in which he sees a woman, labeled "wickedness," sealed in an ephah (the standard commercial volumetric measure in those days), with a lead lid enclosing her for transport:
Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
Zechariah 5:5-11
(Remember, this vision is Jewish: the "wings of a stork" implies something sinister: the stork was an unclean bird.)
This vision seems to portray the woman, labeled "wickedness" (perhaps the same woman portrayed in Revelation 17 as the "Mother of Harlots"), being relocated to where it all began: the plain of Shinar, the original location of Babylon and its sinister occultic religion. It would seem that it is located there to again rise to power and to receive God's final judgment
No its not complicated to talk about, maybe talking for you is complicated. Do you own a bible? or just a keen ability to throw around insults without cause?
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Well Go for it Bablylon and Mystery Babylon in Revelations >>>>>>>>>>>Go for ! Jesus bless Israel is Gods Time line1
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No one is hating on Israel. It's common opinion that Mystery Babylon was Jerusalem. Holding such views doesn't make you anti-semitic or a hater of Jews.
Jesus called us to love, so no true Christian is going to hate anyone.
This is a matter of a Bible interpretation, it's not about hate.
Can we quit with all the political correctness?
Jesus called us to love, so no true Christian is going to hate anyone.
This is a matter of a Bible interpretation, it's not about hate.
Can we quit with all the political correctness?
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Let's look in Revelation where the term 'great city' was first applied.
Rev 11:8 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.
Here we see the 'great city' refered to as the place Jesus was crucified. We know he was crucified in Jerusalem. Yet the title of Sodom and Egypt is applied to it.Why? Because Jerusalem had become corrupt! Just like Sodom and Egypt.
Now back to Revelation 17
18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
In this passage 'the great city' is called Babylon. Another term like Sodom and Egypt, to denote the rebellion of Jerusalem.
I could type more, but I think you can get the main idea without me babbling on.
Rev 11:8 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.
Here we see the 'great city' refered to as the place Jesus was crucified. We know he was crucified in Jerusalem. Yet the title of Sodom and Egypt is applied to it.Why? Because Jerusalem had become corrupt! Just like Sodom and Egypt.
Now back to Revelation 17
18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
In this passage 'the great city' is called Babylon. Another term like Sodom and Egypt, to denote the rebellion of Jerusalem.
I could type more, but I think you can get the main idea without me babbling on.
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Luke 11 predicts the Revelation 17 destruction of Jerusalem...
47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.
Notice Luke parallels Rev 17 nicely. Jesus accuses them of taking the life of God's people in Luke, then notice the charges in Rev 17
6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.
47 “Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. 48 So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ 50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.
Notice Luke parallels Rev 17 nicely. Jesus accuses them of taking the life of God's people in Luke, then notice the charges in Rev 17
6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.
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Babylon Must Rise! - Christian Forums <---------------------------------------------------------------heres one site that dont like u too much where you rant
View topic - Babylon Must Rise. • Christian Forum <-----------heres another not nice there
Rant listen it aint that hard to go around acting smart and throwing out unwarrented insults then copying and pasting off Chuck Misslers website
and selling it for your own work. Your a phoney!! Since the day you arived.
View topic - Babylon Must Rise. • Christian Forum <-----------heres another not nice there
Rant listen it aint that hard to go around acting smart and throwing out unwarrented insults then copying and pasting off Chuck Misslers website
and selling it for your own work. Your a phoney!! Since the day you arived.
Well!
Plagiarism.
and he picked an NAR Dominionist Xtian Zionist to boot!
good work Abiding...now i get to have fun with my hobby - 'connect the dots'.
see new thread CHUCK MISSLER - sample:
Council for National Policy
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The Council for National Policy is a secretive forum that was formed in 1981 by Tim LaHaye [LEFT BEHIND PRE-TRIB HOAX] as a networking tool for leading US conservative political leaders, financiers and religious right activist leaders. The group, which meets three times a year, promotes "Educational conferences for national leaders in the fields of business, government, religion and academia to explore national policy alternatives. Weekly newsletters are distributed to all members to keep them apprised of member activities and public policy issues. A semi-annual journal is produced from membership meeting speeches."[1]''
In 2001, ABC News reported: "The CNP describes itself as a counterweight against liberal domination of the American agenda."[2]
Others are not so kind to the organization and its motives. Mark Crispin Miller states that the CNP is a "highly secretive... theocratic organization -- what they want is basically religious rule" (A Patriot Act).
Barry W. Lynn, the executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, told the New York Times about the CNP meeting ahead of the 2004 Republican National Convention, "The real crux of this is that these are the genuine leaders of the Republican Party, but they certainly aren't going to be visible on television next week."[3]
An example of the group’s far-reaching influence on the conservative movement in the United States is their May 9, 2006, meeting where speakers included NRA President Sandra Froman, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff, Heritage Foundation president Edwin Fuelner Jr., Phyllis Schlafly, Grover Norquist, U.S. Ambassador John Bolton, Oliver North and Robert Bork
current and former members as including
Chuck Missler, an Idaho radio host who has predicted an imminent invasion of Jerusalem by forces guided by the Antichrist
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Council_for_National_Policy
Plagiarism.
and he picked an NAR Dominionist Xtian Zionist to boot!
good work Abiding...now i get to have fun with my hobby - 'connect the dots'.see new thread CHUCK MISSLER - sample:
Council for National Policy
From SourceWatch
Jump to: navigation, search
The Council for National Policy is a secretive forum that was formed in 1981 by Tim LaHaye [LEFT BEHIND PRE-TRIB HOAX] as a networking tool for leading US conservative political leaders, financiers and religious right activist leaders. The group, which meets three times a year, promotes "Educational conferences for national leaders in the fields of business, government, religion and academia to explore national policy alternatives. Weekly newsletters are distributed to all members to keep them apprised of member activities and public policy issues. A semi-annual journal is produced from membership meeting speeches."[1]''
In 2001, ABC News reported: "The CNP describes itself as a counterweight against liberal domination of the American agenda."[2]
Others are not so kind to the organization and its motives. Mark Crispin Miller states that the CNP is a "highly secretive... theocratic organization -- what they want is basically religious rule" (A Patriot Act).
Barry W. Lynn, the executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, told the New York Times about the CNP meeting ahead of the 2004 Republican National Convention, "The real crux of this is that these are the genuine leaders of the Republican Party, but they certainly aren't going to be visible on television next week."[3]
An example of the group’s far-reaching influence on the conservative movement in the United States is their May 9, 2006, meeting where speakers included NRA President Sandra Froman, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff, Heritage Foundation president Edwin Fuelner Jr., Phyllis Schlafly, Grover Norquist, U.S. Ambassador John Bolton, Oliver North and Robert Bork
current and former members as including
Chuck Missler, an Idaho radio host who has predicted an imminent invasion of Jerusalem by forces guided by the Antichrist
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Council_for_National_Policy
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Mystery <------------------thats the important word. Mysticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Babylon Must Rise! - Christian Forums <---------------------------------------------------------------heres one site that dont like u too much where you rant
View topic - Babylon Must Rise. • Christian Forum <-----------heres another not nice there
Rant listen it aint that hard to go around acting smart and throwing out unwarrented insults then copying and pasting off Chuck Misslers website
and selling it for your own work. Your a phoney!! Since the day you arived.
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Abide in me, and I in you, As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself
accept it abide in the vine....without me ye can do nothing! This is very interesting >>>>>>>>>> you are trying to kill the MESSENGER! but you can not kill and slander the Message Thats Out Of My Controlle ! Jesus Bless IsraeL is Gods Time Line>
View topic - Babylon Must Rise. • Christian Forum <-----------heres another not nice there
Rant listen it aint that hard to go around acting smart and throwing out unwarrented insults then copying and pasting off Chuck Misslers website
and selling it for your own work. Your a phoney!! Since the day you arived.
__________________
Abide in me, and I in you, As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself
accept it abide in the vine....without me ye can do nothing! This is very interesting >>>>>>>>>> you are trying to kill the MESSENGER! but you can not kill and slander the Message Thats Out Of My Controlle ! Jesus Bless IsraeL is Gods Time Line>