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But not told to man until much later:
Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
There's so much in that which is not scriptural.
It was not made at creation. It was a rest from working 6 straight days so it happened AFTER creation and only God rested from his work according to the text. It was made for man but like a wooden car a father made for his son's bday, it was not given when made/finished but made BEFORE it was given.
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Amen! Now although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath being kept before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.
The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.
Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)
The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.
Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)
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How do you know? We have very little detail about the world before the flood, Many practices are not recorded in scripture but that doesn't mean they don't apply.
Gen 2:1-3
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
It is clear that the sabbath was made after creating everything.
God could have made a 6 day week, but He added the sabbath and made the week 7 days. The seventh day was made holy.
So the question is .....
Did God bless and sanctify the seventh day for himself or for mankind?
The sabbath was added at the end of creation, and the seven day week has been followed ever since.
Is it holy or is it not holy?
No scripture has ever said it has stopped being holy.
Why are you saying it wasn't holy in the past and isn't holy today for mankind.
Eze 22:8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.
Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD:.....
"The holy sabbath"....
Exo 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ...... 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Why should we keep it holy?...because God blessed it and hallowed it at creation.
Everything belongs to God, He created everything that is good. His holy Sabbath is a gift made for man and we can choose what we do with the seventh day.
We can Remember His holy sabbath or forget it.
Gen 2:1-3
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
It is clear that the sabbath was made after creating everything.
God could have made a 6 day week, but He added the sabbath and made the week 7 days. The seventh day was made holy.
So the question is .....
Did God bless and sanctify the seventh day for himself or for mankind?
The sabbath was added at the end of creation, and the seven day week has been followed ever since.
Is it holy or is it not holy?
No scripture has ever said it has stopped being holy.
Why are you saying it wasn't holy in the past and isn't holy today for mankind.
Eze 22:8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.
Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD:.....
"The holy sabbath"....
Exo 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ...... 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Why should we keep it holy?...because God blessed it and hallowed it at creation.
Everything belongs to God, He created everything that is good. His holy Sabbath is a gift made for man and we can choose what we do with the seventh day.
We can Remember His holy sabbath or forget it.
So using this logic man could have invented and played Baseball and had computers and the internet, then lost it all somehow.
Read the text! DO NOT insert things into the text! You are using Eisegesis to insert the idea that Adam and everyone rested on the 7th day when no such thing is found in the entire bible.
Read the text! DO NOT insert things into the text! You are using Eisegesis to insert the idea that Adam and everyone rested on the 7th day when no such thing is found in the entire bible.
That is correct.
The Jews were told that in the New Testament.
The text does not say in Genesis, anything about a Sabbath law made for man. There is no mention of a Sabbath law in Genesis.
You know that the Jews were given the Sabbath law, because it is listed in their law.
You will not find any Sabbath law outside of Israel. That is how we know that Gentiles were never given the law.
You have been misinformed about who was under the law.
The Jews were told that in the New Testament.
The text does not say in Genesis, anything about a Sabbath law made for man. There is no mention of a Sabbath law in Genesis.
You know that the Jews were given the Sabbath law, because it is listed in their law.
You will not find any Sabbath law outside of Israel. That is how we know that Gentiles were never given the law.
You have been misinformed about who was under the law.
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You are forbidden from adding to, or subtracting from the scripture.
Your are inserting a Sabbath law into Genesis that does not exist.
You won't admit that you are breaching that warning, but you are breaching that warning.
Your certainly guilty as far as I am concerned.
Just stick to the plain reading of the text!
Your are inserting a Sabbath law into Genesis that does not exist.
You won't admit that you are breaching that warning, but you are breaching that warning.
Your certainly guilty as far as I am concerned.
Just stick to the plain reading of the text!
What does the bible say.
Isa 56:2-7
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Was it only for the Jews or were the Jews to take it to everyone?
Israel were to be a witness to the world.
And anyone that obeyed was welcome.
"every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;"
Are you part of God's family or a stranger?
Today we are Israelites by adoption. By faith.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Jesus is the Child of promise. The only child that did not fail and the only child worthy to be called God's son.
We by faith are able to be God's children.
Rom 9:29-32
29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
If it wasn't for Jesus no one would have a hope.
But the Gentiles by faith have recieved righteousness. The Israelites tried to be righteous by following the law and failed.
So the righteousness that we need is by faith. By faith we are accepted as children of God.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
No distinctions.
If your God's child you should act like Gods child, Jesus. obey not to be saved but because you are a child, by faith act like a child because you love God.
Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Isa 56:2-7
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Was it only for the Jews or were the Jews to take it to everyone?
Israel were to be a witness to the world.
And anyone that obeyed was welcome.
"every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;"
Are you part of God's family or a stranger?
Today we are Israelites by adoption. By faith.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Jesus is the Child of promise. The only child that did not fail and the only child worthy to be called God's son.
We by faith are able to be God's children.
Rom 9:29-32
29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
If it wasn't for Jesus no one would have a hope.
But the Gentiles by faith have recieved righteousness. The Israelites tried to be righteous by following the law and failed.
So the righteousness that we need is by faith. By faith we are accepted as children of God.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
No distinctions.
If your God's child you should act like Gods child, Jesus. obey not to be saved but because you are a child, by faith act like a child because you love God.
Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Does that mean there was no law?
What defined Sin.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
There was sin from the start. Gen 3.
What are the laws statutes and commandments in the following verse?
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
What defined Sin.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
There was sin from the start. Gen 3.
What are the laws statutes and commandments in the following verse?
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
True, but it is an assumption to say the Sabbath was being observed/kept by men before Exodus.
That is actually a logical fallacy (non sequitur, for one, and others as well). I can say, "Remember
such-and-such," when such-and-such has never been mentioned before, but is said to underscore
what follows. You make assumptions and present them as if they are facts when they are not.
Nor is there Scripture proof that mankind was keeping the Sabbath before Exodus.
That door swings both ways, you know...
That is actually a logical fallacy (non sequitur, for one, and others as well). I can say, "Remember
such-and-such," when such-and-such has never been mentioned before, but is said to underscore
what follows. You make assumptions and present them as if they are facts when they are not.
Nor is there Scripture proof that mankind was keeping the Sabbath before Exodus.
That door swings both ways, you know...
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Because it swings both ways, both sides can believe what they want....
But there is other verses which can help to understand it.
The Bible clearly states that the sabbath was made for mankind.
It is also clear that it was made at creation.
And regardless the real question is if we should keep it holy today.
Heb 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
There remaineth a rest, the word rest here is sabbatismos = a keeping sabbath.
But there is other verses which can help to understand it.
The Bible clearly states that the sabbath was made for mankind.
It is also clear that it was made at creation.
And regardless the real question is if we should keep it holy today.
Heb 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
There remaineth a rest, the word rest here is sabbatismos = a keeping sabbath.
I disagree but, You can believe what you want.
The real question is why don't you keep the sabbath holy today. Why don't you set it aside as a sanctified day?
Do you observe it today?
If you build your belief on misinformed your will believe a lie.
The 10 commandments are not the old covenant..and when God gave laws to Israel it was because they were to be a light to the world. And anyone that obeyed these laws could become part of God's nation. They where not just for Israel alone.
Like a prophet, think of Paul, God gave them truth to share with others. It wasn't just for them alone.
The real question is why don't you keep the sabbath holy today. Why don't you set it aside as a sanctified day?
Do you observe it today?
If you build your belief on misinformed your will believe a lie.
The 10 commandments are not the old covenant..and when God gave laws to Israel it was because they were to be a light to the world. And anyone that obeyed these laws could become part of God's nation. They where not just for Israel alone.
Like a prophet, think of Paul, God gave them truth to share with others. It wasn't just for them alone.
I keep the fulfilled Sabbath. You keep the old version which could be compared to animal sacrifice for sin when the once for ever Lamb was sacrificed. It is wrong to keep the old, unfulfilled version when the new fulfilled one is a reality.
Now tell yourself this.
They were the first part of it. You are wrong.
Your "news" is old, outdated. All the law including the ten were nailed to the cross in favor of a better law of a better covenant.
Now tell yourself this.
They were the first part of it. You are wrong.
Your "news" is old, outdated. All the law including the ten were nailed to the cross in favor of a better law of a better covenant.
Genesis 26:5 does not specifically say which laws, statutes and commandments that Abraham kept. To say it was the 10 commandments given through Moses in Exodus is speculation.
If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath not found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath but were instructed regarding: Offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?
The sabbath was not given to all the nations. It was given to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15, which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.
Nehemiah 9:13 - "Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and laws, Through Your servant Moses."
If every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath not found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath but were instructed regarding: Offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?
The sabbath was not given to all the nations. It was given to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15, which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.
Nehemiah 9:13 - "Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and laws, Through Your servant Moses."
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In regard to Isaiah 56:2-7, foreigners were to "join themselves to the Lord;" and "love the name of the Lord;" and "be his servants;" and "take hold of God's covenant." The OLD COVENANT. But to do this they had to be circumcised, for God said: “No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary." (Ezekiel 44:9) When Gentiles thus "joined themselves to the Lord" they ceased being Gentiles and became proselytes to the Jewish religion. They kept the Sabbath AS JEWISH PROSELYTES, NOT as Gentiles.
But where are Gentiles as Gentiles ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Furthermore, if the Sabbath was of universal application, why were the Gentiles called "strangers?" The apostle Paul, speaking of the Gentiles during the Jewish age, says they were "strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world?" (Ephesians 2:12)
And when God gave the Sabbath commandment at Sinai, why did he make it binding ONLY on "the stranger that is within your gates?" (Exodus 20:10) Where is the passage that proves the Sabbath was binding on the Gentile OUTSIDE the gates? All this shows the Sabbath was NOT universally applied. If it had been, there would have been no "strangers from the covenants of promise."
*The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)
But where are Gentiles as Gentiles ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Furthermore, if the Sabbath was of universal application, why were the Gentiles called "strangers?" The apostle Paul, speaking of the Gentiles during the Jewish age, says they were "strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world?" (Ephesians 2:12)
And when God gave the Sabbath commandment at Sinai, why did he make it binding ONLY on "the stranger that is within your gates?" (Exodus 20:10) Where is the passage that proves the Sabbath was binding on the Gentile OUTSIDE the gates? All this shows the Sabbath was NOT universally applied. If it had been, there would have been no "strangers from the covenants of promise."
*The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)
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