MYSTERY, BABYLON

[eternally-gratefull]

click on the purple text >> The Great Whore
goes to a long study (with greek) covering the entire matter.

I have read many of them. Which also includes the greek. Which would include all sides. I still do not see it.

Babylon is a system which started in babylon, and spread to the whole world. It is a cult very much like Christianity in that it has the mother child, the death and resurrection of the son. The sign of the cross. only it was a T. etc etc.

It was this system that Israel was chastened for in the OT. because they were "playing the harlot" with this system.

Israel could not play the harlot if she was the harlot.

 

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[eternally-gratefull]

It says it's a city "And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!"

“Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,

It is not a city. It is an organization which sits on many waters. Jerusalem is not near any water. In fact according to my neighbor who is from there. it is a ways away from any water. then it would only be near one body of water. Not many.

if we wanted proof all we would have to do is go further.

“The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He was finished with earthly Jerusalem in 70AD.
Jerusalem which is above is our mother.

I hate to say it Zone, I love ya and all but this makes no sense. If Jesus fulfilled daniel 9 and made the need for jerusalem null and void. He owuld have been done with jeruslaem when he rose from the dead. or at the latest pentecost. To say it was not unil 30 some years later makes no sense.

 

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[/QUOTE]What do I think!? I think you are on the right track Grandpa.

There is a "spirit of Babylon" that has been here since the beginning.

False religion Started in Ninevah and shot out through physical Babylon, and from there it has spread throughout the whole earth. You can read about this in Nahum.

Only now it is referred to as Babylon the Great. Same Spirit, but it has grown to it's full wickedness and has matured. People now worship all things, and the love of money and all the material things this world can offer is like a religion in itself. Men strive for it and worship the work of their hands, and everything the world can give is what is closest to their heart.

So the spirit of Babylon has been here the whole time and this spiritual kingdom is ruled by Satan.

Nor does this make sense. Satan (who rules the beast) destroys the harlot, and it says eats her flesh. As Jesus said while on earth. satan can not go against himself that would be foolish on his part. No army would attack itself it would weaken its whole army

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No one is hating on Israel. It's common opinion that Mystery Babylon was Jerusalem. Holding such views doesn't make you anti-semitic or a hater of Jews.

Jesus called us to love, so no true Christian is going to hate anyone.

This is a matter of a Bible interpretation, it's not about hate.

Can we quit with all the political correctness?

I will be honsest here. I have studied end time eschatology for many years. And although it has been a few years since I have looked into it. I never heard jerusalem called the harlot until I heard it in here.

I would not call it a common opinion unless it became common within the last few years.

 

[1still_waters]

I will be honsest here. I have studied end time eschatology for many years. And although it has been a few years since I have looked into it. I never heard jerusalem called the harlot until I heard it in here.

I would not call it a common opinion unless it became common within the last few years.

If you can step away from dispensational, futurism, you'd see it's very common.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let's look in Revelation where the term 'great city' was first applied.

Rev 11:8 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.

Here we see the 'great city' refered to as the place Jesus was crucified. We know he was crucified in Jerusalem. Yet the title of Sodom and Egypt is applied to it.Why? Because Jerusalem had become corrupt! Just like Sodom and Egypt.

Now back to Revelation 17

18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

In this passage 'the great city' is called Babylon. Another term like Sodom and Egypt, to denote the rebellion of Jerusalem.

I could type more, but I think you can get the main idea without me babbling on.

I think it is a stretch to say the City of rev 11 and the city of rev 17 are the same. It does not make sense for John to be told by God that Jerusalem is sodom and egypt. And not call her bebylon if that is what he meant to call her.

Number two The city in revelation says the city has control of nations and kings. Jerusalem has never that I know of , ruled anyone. Not to mention. revised Rome is said to be the final great power. Jerusalem is not rome. Nor would rome ever allow jerusalem to have that great of power that it could influence other nations under roman tyrany. which is going on at this time.

as with all scripture. scripture must agree. not contradict. It all sounds good on paper. But does not make sense when taken with other aspects of scripture.

As with all scripture.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If Mystery Babylon was Babylon it wouldnt be a Mystery would it? dah!

It would be a great mystery if the church the world cherishes and things is the church which was given by God was found to be babylon. Not to mention. the world would morn greatly if the roman church was destroyed (most of the worlds christians are catholic. in fact most nations are catholic nations. they have great influence over nations and kings.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you can step away from dispensational, futurism, you'd see it's very common.

As I said, I have studied all sides incuding non dispensational. or ammelinialism.

 

[1still_waters]

Number two The city in revelation says the city has control of nations and kings. Jerusalem has never that I know of , ruled anyone. Not to mention. revised Rome is said to be the final great power. Jerusalem is not rome. Nor would rome ever allow jerusalem to have that great of power that it could influence other nations under roman tyrany. which is going on at this time.



As with all scripture.

That's because you're viewing it as a 21st century futurist and not as our original hearers saw it.

Jerusalem was literally the city of God. It wouldn't be a stretch for them to assume it literally controlled the nations. That is if you're a Jew at the time it's written.

Your part about the revived roman empire is again, a 21st century presupposition imposed on the text by a futurist perspective.

The original hearers of this would know that the leaders in jerusalem were rejecting God, his prophets apostles and Christians, thus worthy of the coming destruction Jesus told about. This is a full parallel to the oiivet discource.

Remember in the beginning of Rev Jesus tells them these things are SOON to come upon them. To the original hearers soon meant soon, so my interpretation matches better than yours that is 2000 years removed.

 

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[1still_waters]

and blah it bugs me i'm even debating this in an online forum...

total sign i have too much time on my hands.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's because you're viewing it as a 21st century futurist and not as our original hearers saw it.

Jerusalem was literally the city of God. It wouldn't be a stretch for them to assume it literally controlled the nations. That is if you're a Jew at the time it's written.

Your part about the revived roman empire is again, a 21st century presupposition imposed on the text by a futurist perspective.

The original hearers of this would know that the leaders in jerusalem were rejecting God, his prophets apostles and Christians, thus worthy of the coming destruction Jesus told about. This is a full parallel to the oiivet discource.

Remember in the beginning of Rev Jesus tells them these things are SOON to come upon them. To the original hearers soon meant soon, so my interpretation matches better than yours that is 2000 years removed.

Actually I get the roman thing from the prophesies of the 4 kingdoms in daniel. I like to take daniel and parallel with revelation since they both speak of end times.

also remember, by the time revelation was written. the jews and what they believed were few and far between. Most of the church was gentile by this time and would not be thinking jewish things. I doubt many gentile chrisitians ( would would be the first readers) would have assumed jerusalem as a power on earth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

and blah it bugs me i'm even debating this in an online forum...

total sign i have too much time on my hands.

lol its good to see ya. it is nice to get your views. you help run the place. it is nice when you come around once in awhile I am learning alot about this view some in here have I have never heard before. It is nice to have all the information. not just bits and peaces. Plus this is not salvic. And a subject I love to discuss. Probably my favorite subject in scripture. with the exception of history..lol

I just hate when it gets heated. Although I am guilty of that sometimes myself. I have to learn to walk away sometimes and come back later.

 

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In the End Times One will be taken and One will have to walk Through the Fire.

 

[1still_waters]

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also remember, by the time revelation was written. the jews and what they believed were few and far between. Most of the church was gentile by this time and would not be thinking jewish things. I doubt many gentile chrisitians ( would would be the first readers) would have assumed jerusalem as a power on earth.

I disagree with the late date of Revelation. But even if the date is late, it's impossible to deny the OT imagery in Revelation, and simply say it was written to Gentiles who weren't thinking Jewish things.

A book full of Jewish imagery and Jewish references implies it had Jewish readers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I disagree with the late date of Revelation. But even if the date is late, it's impossible to deny the OT imagery in Revelation, and simply say it was written to Gentiles who weren't thinking Jewish things.

A book full of Jewish imagery and Jewish references implies it had Jewish readers.

I did not say it didn't. Just saying I think they were few and far between by then.

Thats ok. Believe it or not. When I was a teen. My church taught the United States was babylon. how is that for ya?? I can't believe I actually fell for this one.

 

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[Strangelove]

Nice try. The people who made up this religion where gods people also. The traded him for their false theology. alot of which resembled truth, but was a lie with bits of truth mixed in. And it was here LONG before Israel was formed. And is still here today. sorry you can't admit that!

There was only ONE Gods people in the OT and that was the HEBREWS. They were betrothed to God and were therefore the only BRIDE capable of commiting WHOREDOMS against Him! Sorry you cant admit that. Must be the dispy brainwash kicking in!

Tell us who the people who made this religion are already if they are not APOSTATE HEBREWS already!

Tell us!

So you do not think this Babylon mystery did not go with the people when they were scattered? You do not think the priests and priestesses of this system did not leave and go someplace else when Babylon was overthrown and take their apostate religion with them?

lolwhut?

Where did you get the impression I thought that?

Of course the BABYLONIAN TALMUD went with the apostate Hebrews wherever they went. Thats why we got the Noahide laws for all the gentile nations today! FREEMASONRY.

Sorry man. I am not going to fail to look at reality to make my belief come true any more than I would misinterpret scripture to make my belief come true.

It seems reality is the ONLY thing your failing to look at.

Do you even know what made up the babylonian philosophy which as odds with God?

Lots of pagan stuff most likely. Thats what has always turned Gods chosen people of the old covenant into a WHORE.

1) Wake up
2) Smell coffee.