What if you die before water baptism?

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Thunderrr-mental

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Lafftur said:
Nope.
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sorry to repeat myself but I will let Gods word speak 😊

Nice to see you again anyways

Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.

They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48



So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.[
 
Magenta

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Thunderrr-mental said:
sorry to repeat myself but I will let Gods word speak 😊

Acts 10
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the
Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
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I'll repeat myself, too (though not as much as you .;):unsure::giggle:)

Surely even you can see they already had the Holy Spirit?
 
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Lafftur said:
Did you notice that the Gentile household of Cornelius RECEIVED the baptism with the Holy Spirit BEFORE they were water baptized? :unsure:

I do love the precious gift of the Holy Spirit…:love:
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Why were they the only ones to receive it before water baptism?
 
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Genez said:
The thief on the cross who believed was definitely water baptized after he believed....

Its obvious! Or, he could not be saved.

End of story.
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May I suggest whether he was water baptized or not doesn't concern us. He died before Jesus received all authority and before He commanded baptism in the name of Jesus. Baptism in the name of Jesus concerns us.
 
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Magenta said:
I'll repeat myself, too (though not as much as you .;):unsure::giggle:)

Surely even you can see they already had the Holy Spirit?
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yes there's such thing as being half a pint glass until your resurrected in Christ 😊. They call it baptism of fire, its when you receive the holy Spirit, but then your resurrected in Christ.. also during water baptism you close your eyes so you don't actually see the baptism of fire take place, it's a bit of doubting Thomas for some, because people cant see Christ when there resurrected, as it can take a while to get the shakes 😊
 
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turbosixx said:
May I suggest whether he was water baptized or not doesn't concern us. He died before Jesus received all authority and before He commanded baptism in the name of Jesus. Baptism in the name of Jesus concerns us.
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I disagree respectfully,


Jesus had all authority before the Cross. He said so.
 
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Wansvic said:
The NT rebirth became a reality for those living AFTER the Holy Ghost was poured out at Pentecost.
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That's the standard "cessationist work around. Biblically, the Holy Spirit INDWELLED at John 20:22, with the effect noted at Luke 24:45. The EFFECT of being indwelled by the Holy Spirit would be the "Opening of their understanding".

And Jesus told the Disciples who had already been INFILLED 50 days previously, to hang in Jerusalem for the "Enduement (clothing) w2ith power at Acts 2:4.

It still works the same today.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
yes there's such thing as being half a pint glass until your resurrected in Christ 😊. They call it baptism of fire,
its when you receive the holy Spirit, but then your resurrected in Christ.. also during water baptism you close
your eyes so you don't actually see the baptism of fire take place, it's a bit of doubting Thomas for some,
because people cant see Christ when there resurrected, as it can take a while to get the shakes 😊
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You talk a lot of nonsense.


Ephesians 2:4-7
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Magenta said:
You talk a lot of nonsense.


Ephesians 2:4-7
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God word says you have to be baptised
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.

They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48



So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.[
 
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Bob-Carabbio said:
That's the standard "cessationist work around. Biblically, the Holy Spirit INDWELLED at John 20:22, with the effect noted at Luke 24:45. The EFFECT of being indwelled by the Holy Spirit would be the "Opening of their understanding".

And Jesus told the Disciples who had already been INFILLED 50 days previously, to hang in Jerusalem for the "Enduement (clothing) w2ith power at Acts 2:4.

It still works the same today.
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Gods word says you have to be baptised


Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.

They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48



So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.[
 
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CS1 said:
I disagree respectfully,


Jesus had all authority before the Cross. He said so.
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Gods word says you have to be baptised


Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.

They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48



So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.[
 
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Wansvic said:
The NT rebirth became a reality for those living AFTER the Holy Ghost was poured out at Pentecost. (Acts 2:4, 36-42) Jesus prophesied that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name to all nations beginning in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:46-49)

The message was indeed first presented in Jerusalem and continues to be carried into all nations:

"Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sin, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
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Jesus wanted everyone baptized in the Spirit, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus knew they would be confused in the beginning, assuming He meant water baptism.
But, eventually... after having water baptized many (as he had done prior to the Church age) Peter "finally" caught on
that its about Spirit baptism, no longer water as they had always done on a regular basis.

Take note! Read how Peter let us know that he had forgotten about how Spirit was to replace "water" baptism!
He was first told about it in Acts 1:4-5 and had forgotten...



Acts 11:15-17​
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“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. ​
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized ​
with the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord ​
Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”​


Yes! Many today are making the same kind of mistake that Peter had!
Its embarrassing for them, and many refuse to be corrected.


grace and peace .
 
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Genez said:
Jesus wanted everyone baptized in the Spirit, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus knew they would be confused in the beginning, assuming He meant water baptism.
But, eventually... after having water baptized many (as he had done prior to the Church age) Peter "finally" caught on
that its about Spirit baptism, no longer water as they had always done on a regular basis.

Take note! Read how Peter let us know that he had forgotten about how Spirit was to replace "water" baptism!
He was first told about it in Acts 1:4-5 and had forgotten...



Acts 11:15-17​
​
“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. ​
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized ​
with the Holy Spirit.’ So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord ​
Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”​


Yes! Many today are making the same kind of mistake that Peter had!
Its embarrassing for them, and many refuse to be corrected.


grace and peace .
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Gods word says you have to be baptised
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.

They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48



So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.[
 
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Lafftur said:
Did you notice that the Gentile household of Cornelius RECEIVED the baptism with the Holy Spirit BEFORE they were water baptized? :unsure:

I do love the precious gift of the Holy Spirit…:love:
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And, not to mention, that for the Church age there is to be only one baptism! Ephesians 4:5
 
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Genez said:
And, not to mention, that for the Church age there is to be only one baptism! Ephesians 4:5
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Magenta said:

Ephesians 4:5-6
:)
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Gods word say you have to be baptised


Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48
Acts 10:47-48
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water.

They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48



So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.[
 
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Notice the inability of some to see

Verse 47 in Acts chapter 10.

47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

Cornelius received the Holy Spirit before water baptism and therefore was saved before water baptism.

It is funny those who use these verses and blinded by the very text that which says differently than they believe or think.
 
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CS1 said:
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Notice the inability of some to see

Verse 47 in Acts chapter 10.

47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

Cornelius received the Holy Spirit before water baptism and therefore was saved before water baptism.

It is funny those who use these verses and blinded by the very text that which says differently than they believe or think.
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Goda word says you should be baptised in water
 
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CS1 said:
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Notice the inability of some to see

Verse 47 in Acts chapter 10.

47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

Cornelius received the Holy Spirit before water baptism and therefore was saved before water baptism.

It is funny those who use these verses and blinded by the very text that which says differently than they believe or think.
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They suffer the same way of blindness as "good Catholics" who insist upon praying to Mary because that is what they were brought up to believe..
 
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When they tell God's words, They should be able to prove it contextually instead of displaying intellectual dishonesty. Don't have scripture saying what they say.
 
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