Shabbat (Intent-- not Timing)

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Seeker47

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Have you ever asked why YHWH would place such importance on the Sabbath? It must be important; he announced it at creation and repeated this requirement many times. Indeed, when speaking from the top of the mountain, God spent more time explaining the Sabbath than any other commandment. Why? Here are some thoughts.

It’s not about being lazy. The commandment includes the requirement for six days of work. We are created for work, yet God explains work is not our purpose. We are more than work.

We become set apart by honoring the Sabbath. The command was given to all, but by keeping that command we identify ourselves as God’s people, chosen by him through his unfathomable grace.

Keeping the Sabbath demonstrates trust. Placing our trust in his word, we accept our inability to exist on our own. We acknowledge our dependence on God.

On one day every week, we take the opportunity to remember and enjoy the beauty of creation and the joy of life God has given us. We pause to enjoy our relationships, specifically with our families, and spend glorious hours together in mutual love.

Finally, the Sabbath reflects a world to come. It reminds us of a future time when there will be no more pain, no more death, no more striving. God made a day of rest; we look forward to a time when we shall all rest forever; in the very presence of our creator.

It is our folly that we have so confused this simple gift from God.
 

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Have you ever asked why YHWH would place such importance on the Sabbath? It must be important; he announced it at creation and repeated this requirement many times. Indeed, when speaking from the top of the mountain, God spent more time explaining the Sabbath than any other commandment. Why? Here are some thoughts.

It’s not about being lazy. The commandment includes the requirement for six days of work. We are created for work, yet God explains work is not our purpose. We are more than work.

We become set apart by honoring the Sabbath. The command was given to all, but by keeping that command we identify ourselves as God’s people, chosen by him through his unfathomable grace.

Keeping the Sabbath demonstrates trust. Placing our trust in his word, we accept our inability to exist on our own. We acknowledge our dependence on God.

On one day every week, we take the opportunity to remember and enjoy the beauty of creation and the joy of life God has given us. We pause to enjoy our relationships, specifically with our families, and spend glorious hours together in mutual love.

Finally, the Sabbath reflects a world to come. It reminds us of a future time when there will be no more pain, no more death, no more striving. God made a day of rest; we look forward to a time when we shall all rest forever; in the very presence of our creator.

It is our folly that we have so confused this simple gift from God.
"Hear o Israel".......... The commandments were not given to the Gentiles.
 
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This is because all your fatigue for six days is to enter that important Sabbath.Compared with the other six days,Entering the Sabbath is the ultimate goal.We can't prioritize.At least God knows the priorities.
 

ResidentAlien

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If we are set apart and identified as God's children by keeping the Sabbath then Christ died in vain.
 
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If we are set apart and identified as God's children by keeping the Sabbath then Christ died in vain.
The Sabbath is not just the Sabbath.
Sabbath means the day when God finished all his work and everything became perfect.
It has many meanings.
 

SabbathBlessing

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Have you ever asked why YHWH would place such importance on the Sabbath? It must be important; he announced it at creation and repeated this requirement many times. Indeed, when speaking from the top of the mountain, God spent more time explaining the Sabbath than any other commandment. Why? Here are some thoughts.

It’s not about being lazy. The commandment includes the requirement for six days of work. We are created for work, yet God explains work is not our purpose. We are more than work.

We become set apart by honoring the Sabbath. The command was given to all, but by keeping that command we identify ourselves as God’s people, chosen by him through his unfathomable grace.

Keeping the Sabbath demonstrates trust. Placing our trust in his word, we accept our inability to exist on our own. We acknowledge our dependence on God.

On one day every week, we take the opportunity to remember and enjoy the beauty of creation and the joy of life God has given us. We pause to enjoy our relationships, specifically with our families, and spend glorious hours together in mutual love.

Finally, the Sabbath reflects a world to come. It reminds us of a future time when there will be no more pain, no more death, no more striving. God made a day of rest; we look forward to a time when we shall all rest forever; in the very presence of our creator.

It is our folly that we have so confused this simple gift from God.
Good post.

The Sabbath has many dimensions to it but why it is so important it points us back to who is our God and His power. The Lord of Lords and King of Kings - the Sabbath has His stamp of Authority on it - He is the Creator of all things Exo 20:11, He is the one who sanctifies Eze 20:12 and keeping the Sabbath God gave us a sign that we know we are His Eze 20:20 This is why the Sabbath is attacked so much because unfortunately there is a counterfeit spirit who wants all authority on him. Isa 14:14 Revelation 13:4-18

No relationship can survive without spending together and with God its no different. He gives us 6 days to do all our works and labors but only asks for one day back the seventh day Sabbath to be fully dedicated to Him Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13 God wants to spend holy time with His children because we can't sanctify ourselves Eze 20:12 so the Sabbath is meant to bless us Isa 58:13-14 Isa 56:1-6 and keeping the Sabbath we acknowledge God is our Savior and Creator Eze 20:20 and He is the one who gives us the power to obey Him.


The Sabbath commandment is the only commandment that reveals the Author of God's law the Ten Commandments and only law that reveals the Authority and Creator over all heaven and earth. Its the commandment that contains the seal of God. His name, title and territory.

Without the power of God, we could never obey God's commandments. Removing the one commandment that reveals the Author, the Authority and the Seal the rest of the law is useless and without His power no one could do anything.

The Sabbath is special time with God resting in Him and it is a blessing many are missing out on.

Happy Sabbath!
 

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Mark 2:27 - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:28 - Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Colossians, Chapter 2: KJV

6Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

(excerpt from Article)

  1. In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.
  2. The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
  3. The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.
  4. In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
  5. Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.
  6. There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai.
  7. When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers.
  8. The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.
  9. In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).
  10. In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).
  11. The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century).
  12. Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11).

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Are the Sabbath laws binding on Christians today? - Grace to You

Pretty clear to me that celebration of the Sabbath(s) under the Law were for the Jews and NOT for Christians today.
 

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"Hear o Israel".......... The commandments were not given to the Gentiles.
Absolutely false, look at what Jesus wrote;

Mrk 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mrk 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Note it is written FOR MAN ( everyone) not for Isreal only

Furthermore;

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
 
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oy vey...the 'Sabbath' lecture series again

The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word sabat, which means "to rest or stop or cease from work." The origin of the Sabbath goes back to Creation. After creating the heavens and the earth in six days, God "rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made" (Genesis 2:2). This doesn’t mean that God was tired and needed a rest. We know that God is omnipotent, literally "all-powerful." He has all the power in the universe, He never tires, and His most arduous expenditure of energy does not diminish His power one bit. So, what does it mean that God rested on the seventh day? Simply that He stopped what He was doing. He ceased from His labors. This is important in understanding the establishment of the Sabbath day and the role of Christ as our Sabbath rest. Got Questions


However, if your conscience is not clear on the matter, then best to follow what you believe God directs in because whatever you do that is not of faith, is sin.
 
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I do not view the Sabbath as a 24 hour period but as 1000 year period .It takes place after 6000 years have been completed since adam and 2000 years from the time Christ said this.

Luke 13:32
He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’


I think I've narrowed it down to 2028.
Keep the Sabbath holy.And I do see all these priests as being descendents of Jacob."Israel".

Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

SabbathBlessing

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Jesus in His own words said He is Lord of the Sabbath Mat 2:28 not the He is the Sabbath. Jesus is not a commandment, a day or a creation. He is our Creator and the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 just like He personally wrote and personally spoke because no one has authority to change one dot or tittle and not sure why one would want to when God’s law is so perfect Psa 19:7 just like our God who wrote it. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18
 

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Absolutely false, look at what Jesus wrote;

Mrk 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mrk 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Note it is written FOR MAN ( everyone) not for Isreal only

Furthermore;

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Acts 15: 24-28

"It has come to our attention that some went out from us without our authorization and unsettled you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose men to send to you along with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to tell you in person the same things we are writing.

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things."

Nothing about sabbath observance there. And surely you can learn to spell Israel correctly?
 

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"Hear o Israel".......... The commandments were not given to the Gentiles.
Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.'

God gave "One Law" to the entire world who would align themselves with the Jews.
 

SabbathBlessing

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Mark 2:27 - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:28 - Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Colossians, Chapter 2: KJV

6Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

(excerpt from Article)


Are the Sabbath laws binding on Christians today? - Grace to You

Pretty clear to me that celebration of the Sabbath(s) under the Law were for the Jews and NOT for Christians today.
1. There is more than one Sabbath in the scripture. Paul was very careful to be sure we understood the sabbath(s) he was referring to which the context starts in v14. There is the weekly Sabbath that is a commandment of God that was finger written by God that came before sin and the annual sabbath(s) also called feast days that was added after sin that is an ordinances that was handwritten by Moses that had to do with food and drink and holy days the context of Col 2:16

2:14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

The Sabbath is a commandment of God it was , finger written personally by our Lord and Savior and is holy and blessed (not the definition of contrary or against)and God said "Remember" because He knew everyone would forget. Once God blesses something as He did the Sabbath day, man cannot reverse. Num 23:20 so Paul does not have the authority to countermand God’s commandments, nor would he as he too faithfully kept the Sabbath decades after the cross. The apostles were commissioned to observe everything Jesus commanded. Mat 28:18-20

The seventh day Sabbath is not a shadow of anything because it started at Creation- Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11God's perfect plan before the fall of man. The annual sabbath(s) called holy days that were ordinances Exo 12:43 Num 9:12 added after the fall of man that had to do with food and drink offerings Heb 9:10 Num 29:21 Num 29:24, the context of this passage, that were handwritten by Moses 1 Chr 33:8 that all was a placeholder until Jesus came 1 Cor 5:7 Cor 2:17 Heb 10:1-22 as the blood of animals made nothing perfect but the blood of Christ can cleanse us of all sin and unrighteousness.

2. The Sabbath didn’t come from the Mosaic covenant- it came from God’s covenant Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 the Sabbath is a sign between God and His people Eze 20:20 and it contains the seal of His Authority than no man can break.

3. Read Heb 4:4, 4:9, 4:10 The Sabbath is all throughout the NT because it never ended, kept faithfully according to the commandment Luke 23:56 and by the diciples decades after the Cross because the Sabbath is part of the law of God written in the heart Heb 8:10 which is why Jesus kept, the apotles kept and His faithful followers and no scripture says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated.

4. Acts 2:46 the apostles broke bread daily but that doesn’t mean every day is the new Sabbath or a new day of worship. God was really clear on His law He not only spoke it He wrote it with His own finger. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 not one jot or tittle can be removed Mat 5:18 If something was going to change that God wrote in stone He would be sure to make that change known just as clear as how it wrote it. No mention of any change in scripture but we are told the Sabbath will be kept for eternity Isa 66:23

5. God wrote His law on our hearts and why Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 the apostles kept the Sabbath Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 and His faithful followers kept the Sabbath Luke 23:56 everyone we are to follow kept the Sabbath

6. God hallowed the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11 what better example than He our Creator and Redeemer and man is made in the image of God to follow Him Gen 1:26 and Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and the Greek word means mankind- so the Sabbath was made for everyone starting at the Garden Gen 2:1-3 Isa 56: 1-6 and God’s people keep God’s commandments. Rev 14:12

7. They also never discussed only worshipping God, or to love God with all of our hearts- are those deleted too. If you read in Acts 15 they were already keeping every Sabbath and no mention of it ending.

8. Sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 the Sabbath is part of the law of God. Anything that separates us from God is sin Isa 59:2 and the Sabbath is about the relationship experience with God. It shows we trust His Authority Eze 20:20 and that He is the God who sanctifies us Eze 20:12

9. Does not say the Sabbath- this is referring to the annual holy days in Lev 23

10. You added to the scripture. In the entire chapter of Romans 14 there is not one mention of the Sabbath commandment. This is about personal disputes, not about the day God esteems over all other days- the Sabbath - My holy day Isa 58:13

11. Only when we go outside of bible do we find the change to God’s Sabbath- exactly what we are warned about Dan 7:25 Is 8:20

12. God in His own Words declared His holy day- Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13 Isa 66:23 Heb 4:9-11 reinforces this fact as the Greek word in v9 means keeping of the Sabbath, which remains for God’s people. Only God can reverse His blessing- you can search the Bible and all the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath (there are many) is for us to keep and not profane. Jesus tells us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. God said Remember the Sabbath day- man says forget. My faith is in Him and His Word even though it’s not popular. We are told it wouldn't’ be Rev 12:17 If you want to learn about how the Sabbath was changed and who changed it let me know because our time is drawing near on this earth and God is calling us out of our false teachings Rev 18:4
 

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"Hear o Israel".......... The commandments were not given to the Gentiles.
Though the commandments were given to Israel in order to equip them to be a light and a blessing to the Gentiles by turning the Gentiles from their wickedness and teaching them to obey it in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel. In Isaiah 56, the Sabbath is clearly also for Gentiles who become followers of the God of Israel.
 

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Though the commandments were given to Israel in order to equip them to be a light and a blessing to the Gentiles by turning the Gentiles from their wickedness and teaching them to obey it in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel. In Isaiah 56, the Sabbath is clearly also for Gentiles who become followers of the God of Israel.
Whatever. I'll live in the light, feel free to live in the shadow.
 

Gideon300

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Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.'

God gave "One Law" to the entire world who would align themselves with the Jews.
Sure. I don't align myself with Jews. If that's your idea of Christianity, fine. I can't find that in the New Testament myself, but whatever makes you happy.